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#21
January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
It's probably due to the pertubation caused by the new Messenger Mercury probe http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22598344/ 
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#23
January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | Entertainment. | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | role. So thank you. | Let's not forget "buses take longer to stop than cars" -- Blind Poe. Dork doesn't have that clowning listed but it was entertaining.
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#24
January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | Entertainment. | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | role. So thank you. | More entertainment: [Androcles] | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, [Misguided Blind Poe] | It looks like this: | | x' = x - vt | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | t' = t | [Androcles] You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, you cretin. It looks like this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the y and z directions. Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving sideways and up simultaneously. Never step sideways on an escalator, Poe, you'll be lost in spacetime and dream up impossible **** like "transverse mass" and "transverse Doppler shift". As I said, you wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe. Your homework assignment: Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by Weisstein.
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January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
On Jan 17, 11:54 am, "Androcles" wrote:
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | Entertainment. | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | role. So thank you. | More entertainment: [Androcles] | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, [Misguided Blind Poe] | It looks like this: | | x' = x - vt | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | t' = t | [Androcles] You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, you cretin. It looks like this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the y and z directions. Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving sideways and up simultaneously. Yup. Your continued repetition of these things is endlessly entertaining. Gets me every time. Your homework assignment: Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by Weisstein. In general: [t'] = [ 1 0 0 0][t] [x'] = [-v 1 0 0][x] [y'] = [-u 0 1 0][y] [z'] = [-w 0 0 1][z] which of course is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt y' = y - ut z' = z - wt or, using vector x to stand for (x,y,z), vector y' to stand for (x',y',z'), and vector v to stand for (v,u,w) is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt But you knew that, right? And you also know that one can always choose the x-axis, for convenience, to be the direction of the velocity vector v, right? And that that's why Wolfram and Einstein distinguish the x axis from y and z? I mean, that's such an elementary point that I don't think anybody writing for adults would expect their audience to be unaware of it. They certainly wouldn't think someone who considered themselves competent to read the paper to think it means "you can't move up or sideways". There's no way anybody capable of tying their own shoes could draw a conclusion like that from choosing a particular direction to call "x", right? - Randy
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#26
January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... On Jan 17, 11:54 am, "Androcles" wrote: "Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | Entertainment. | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | role. So thank you. | More entertainment: [Androcles] | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, [Misguided Blind Poe] | It looks like this: | | x' = x - vt | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | t' = t | [Androcles] You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, you cretin. It looks like this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the y and z directions. Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving sideways and up simultaneously. Yup. Your continued repetition of these things is endlessly entertaining. Gets me every time. Your homework assignment: Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by Weisstein. In general: [t'] = [ 1 0 0 0][t] [x'] = [-v 1 0 0][x] [y'] = [-u 0 1 0][y] [z'] = [-w 0 0 1][z] which of course is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt y' = y - ut z' = z - wt or, using vector x to stand for (x,y,z), vector y' to stand for (x',y',z'), and vector v to stand for (v,u,w) is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt But you knew that, right? And you also know that one can always choose the x-axis, for convenience, to be the direction of the velocity vector v, right? And that that's why Wolfram and Einstein distinguish the x axis from y and z? I mean, that's such an elementary point that I don't think anybody writing for adults would expect their audience to be unaware of it. They certainly wouldn't think someone who considered themselves competent to read the paper to think it means "you can't move up or sideways". There's no way anybody capable of tying their own shoes could draw a conclusion like that from choosing a particular direction to call "x", right? You really shouldn't do that, Randy, Imagine, just imagine (!) that by some freak accident he might actually learn something. Where are we going to get our laughs? Where? Please stop explaining to Androcles? Please? Dirk Vdm
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January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
On Jan 17, 12:32 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote: "Randy Poe" wrote in ... On Jan 17, 11:54 am, "Androcles" wrote: "Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | Entertainment. | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | role. So thank you. | More entertainment: [Androcles] | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, [Misguided Blind Poe] | It looks like this: | | x' = x - vt | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | t' = t | [Androcles] You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, you cretin. It looks like this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the y and z directions. Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving sideways and up simultaneously. Yup. Your continued repetition of these things is endlessly entertaining. Gets me every time. Your homework assignment: Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by Weisstein. In general: [t'] = [ 1 0 0 0][t] [x'] = [-v 1 0 0][x] [y'] = [-u 0 1 0][y] [z'] = [-w 0 0 1][z] which of course is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt y' = y - ut z' = z - wt or, using vector x to stand for (x,y,z), vector y' to stand for (x',y',z'), and vector v to stand for (v,u,w) is equivalent to t' = t x' = x - vt But you knew that, right? And you also know that one can always choose the x-axis, for convenience, to be the direction of the velocity vector v, right? And that that's why Wolfram and Einstein distinguish the x axis from y and z? I mean, that's such an elementary point that I don't think anybody writing for adults would expect their audience to be unaware of it. They certainly wouldn't think someone who considered themselves competent to read the paper to think it means "you can't move up or sideways". There's no way anybody capable of tying their own shoes could draw a conclusion like that from choosing a particular direction to call "x", right? You really shouldn't do that, Randy, Imagine, just imagine (!) that by some freak accident he might actually learn something. Where are we going to get our laughs? Where? Please stop explaining to Androcles? Please? I have every confidence that Androcles' response to my explanation, if any, will put your worries to rest. In fact more than likely he'll continue posting the above cut-and-paste text every time he sees my name in any thread for at least another few days to a week. - Randy
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January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 11:54 am, "Androcles" wrote: | "Randy Poe" wrote in message | | ... | | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | | | Entertainment. | | | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | | role. So thank you. | | | | More entertainment: | | [Androcles] | | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, | | [Misguided Blind Poe] | | It looks like this: | | | | x' = x - vt | | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | | t' = t | | | [Androcles] | You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, | you cretin. It looks like this: | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html | | except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the | y and z directions. | | Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving | sideways and up simultaneously. | | Yup. Your continued repetition of these things is | endlessly entertaining. Gets me every time. | | Your homework assignment: | Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by | Weisstein. | | In general: | | [t'] = [ 1 0 0 0][t] | [x'] = [-v 1 0 0][x] | [y'] = [-u 0 1 0][y] | [z'] = [-w 0 0 1][z] | | which of course is equivalent to | t' = t | x' = x - vt | y' = y - ut | z' = z - wt | | or, using vector x to stand for (x,y,z), | vector y' to stand for (x',y',z'), and | vector v to stand for (v,u,w) is equivalent | to | | t' = t | x' = x - vt | | But you knew that, right? | Of course. | And you also know that one can always choose | the x-axis, for convenience, to be the direction | of the velocity vector v, right? And that that's | why Wolfram and Einstein distinguish the x axis | from y and z? I mean, that's such an elementary | point that I don't think Ah, yes, we know you don't think, you've told us that many times. | anybody writing for | adults would expect their audience to be unaware | of it. http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einst...res/img107.gif In plainer text, 1 - cos(phi).v/c f' = f --------------------- sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Eliminating that silly sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) (which should at least be sqrt(1-u^2/c^2) where u = v.cos(phi) ), f' = f. ( 1 - cos(phi).v/c) c - cos(phi).v = f. --------------------- c = f. (c-u) /c which is Doppler's equation, and NOT f' = f.c/(c-v) as so many idiots suppose. Anybody writing for adults would expect their audience to be aware of u = v.cos(pi/2) except those cretins that are not; which is very entertaining, especially when they call it "transverse Doppler Shift", don't you, ****head Poe? | They certainly wouldn't think someone who considered | themselves competent to read the paper to think | it means "you can't move up or sideways". You can't move sideways or up in SR. What else do you not think or would not think, Poe? | There's | no way anybody capable of tying their own | shoes could draw a conclusion like that from | choosing a particular direction to call "x", right? You are not capable of tying your own shoes, Poe. xi = (x-vt)/sqrt(1-v²/c²) eta = (y-ut)/sqrt(1-u²/c²) zeta= (z-wt)/sqrt(1-w²/c²) tau_x = (t-vx/c²)/sqrt(1-v²/c²) tau_y = (t-uy/c²)/sqrt(1-u²/c²) tau_z = (t-wz/c²)/sqrt(1-w²/c²) Carry three watches or do not move sideways or ride an elevator. Personally I prefer three witches: Double double, toil and trouble, Fire burn and Einstein bubble. --- Pop!
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January 17th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... On Jan 17, 12:32 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO- SperM.hotmail.com wrote: [snip] You really shouldn't do that, Randy, Imagine, just imagine (!) that by some freak accident he might actually learn something. Where are we going to get our laughs? Where? Please stop explaining to Androcles? Please? I have every confidence that Androcles' response to my explanation, if any, will put your worries to rest. Yes, I 've just seen it. Phew. Lucky. In fact more than likely he'll continue posting the above cut-and-paste text every time he sees my name in any thread for at least another few days to a week. hm... I doubt it. He has read this, so he might decide to use alternative behaviour 16d. But then again... Interesting... Dirk Vdm
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#30
January 18th 08
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GR hallucination on the extra Mercury's perihelion precession
On Jan 17, 1:22 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ... | On Jan 17, 11:54 am, "Androcles" wrote: | "Randy Poe" wrote in message | | ... | | On Jan 17, 12:26 am, Koobee Wublee wrote: | | On Jan 16, 3:25 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@More-SperM- | | Never mind, we embrace your fabulous stupidity: | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...surdClaim.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...PrivateLagrang... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...LonelyTop.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...SmellHere.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...woMetrics.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...latSphere.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../NewLagrangian.... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di.../LosingIt.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...AerospaceRelat... | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...Potential.html | | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...WhatWrong.html | | | | If these represent stupidity, why are you embracing them? | | | | Entertainment. | | | | There have always been clowns, and their amusement | | value does not come from demonstrating (or pretending) | | intelligence. Basic human nature. | | | | And in fact one could argue that since civilization | | has always had clowns, they must provide an essential | | role. So thank you. | | | | More entertainment: | | [Androcles] | | You wouldn't know a Galilean transform if it bit you in the arse, Poe, | | [Misguided Blind Poe] | | It looks like this: | | | | x' = x - vt | | (where x, x' and v are 3-vectors in general) | | t' = t | | | [Androcles] | You don't even know what a transformation is or what it does, | you cretin. It looks like this: | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html | | except that Weisstein has omitted velocities u and w in the | y and z directions. | | Of course cretins like Einstein and Poe can't handle moving | sideways and up simultaneously. | | Yup. Your continued repetition of these things is | endlessly entertaining. Gets me every time. | | Your homework assignment: | Place u, the velocity in the y-direction, in the matrix shown by | Weisstein. | | In general: | | [t'] = [ 1 0 0 0][t] | [x'] = [-v 1 0 0][x] | [y'] = [-u 0 1 0][y] | [z'] = [-w 0 0 1][z] | | which of course is equivalent to | t' = t | x' = x - vt | y' = y - ut | z' = z - wt | | or, using vector x to stand for (x,y,z), | vector y' to stand for (x',y',z'), and | vector v to stand for (v,u,w) is equivalent | to | | t' = t | x' = x - vt | | But you knew that, right? | Of course. So let's see if we can summarize. You agree that "of course" t' = t x' = x - vt (vector x, x', v) is equivalent to the general Galilean transform. But you say that http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Galilea...formation.html is a Galilean transform, while t' = t x' = x - vt (vector x, x', v) is not. Does that summarize your "of course" adequately? - Randy
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