"Chris" wrote in message
. uk...
:I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand it
: either.
:
: The lorenz transform is symmentrical

Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
The mathematics is in section 3 of
"On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
and I've explained it he
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm

On Dec 25, 2:38 pm, "Chris" wrote:
This would mean that the twin paradox does not occur.

It does not. If we did not live in Einstein zombie world, the
absurdity involved in the twin paradox and the concept of time
dilation in general would be easily demonstrated simply by considering
the following text of Einstein's:

http://www.bartleby.com/173/23.html
Albert Einstein (1879-1955). Relativity: The Special and General
Theory. 1920. Chapter 23:
"To start with, he places one of two identically constructed clocks at
the centre of the circular disc, and the other on the edge of the
disc, so that they are at rest relative to it. We now ask ourselves
whether both clocks go at the same rate from the standpoint of the non-
rotating Galileian reference-body K. As judged from this body, the
clock at the centre of the disc has no velocity, whereas the clock at
the edge of the disc is in motion relative to K in consequence of the
rotation. According to a result obtained in Section XII, it follows
that the latter clock goes at a rate permanently slower than that of
the clock at the centre of the circular disc, i.e. as observed from K.
It is obvious that the same effect would be noted by an observer whom
we will imagine sitting alongside his clock at the centre of the
circular disc."

One would verify Einstein's statements above, make a few modifications
in the thought experiment (e.g. the non-rotating clock at the centre
will go near the rotating periphery; there will be many rotating
clocks; the diameter of the disk will be made very long which, if the
linear speed of the periphery is kept constant, will make rotating
clocks almost inertial) and the idiocy called "time dilation" would be
rejected immediately. In Einstein zombie world the idiocy called "time
dilation" may continue to destroy human rationality forever.

Pentcho Valev

Androcles a écrit :

"Chris" wrote in message
. uk...
:I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand it
: either.
:
: The lorenz transform is symmentrical

Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
The mathematics is in section 3 of
"On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
and I've explained it he
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm

Bravo Androcles!

If you can read french:
"L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser facilement
toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le ta****er
avec des montres
synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient fixes.
Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et donc
il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une totale
absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas être
symétriques dans le Langevin.
Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la même
dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un observateur
transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
cohérent.

We can read also:
http://hachel.chez-alice.fr/page1a.pdf

R.H.

"Richard Hachel" wrote in message
...
:
:
: Androcles a écrit :
:
: "Chris" wrote in message
: . uk...
: :I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand
it
: : either.
: :
: : The lorenz transform is symmentrical
:
: Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
: done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
: the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
: The mathematics is in section 3 of
: "On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
: and I've explained it he
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm
:
: Bravo Androcles!
:
: If you can read french:
: "L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser facilement
: toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le ta****er
: avec des montres
: synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient fixes.
: Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et donc
: il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une totale
: absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas être
: symétriques dans le Langevin.
: Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la même
: dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un observateur
: transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
: cohérent.
:

Babel fish translation:

"the error of Einstein consists in believing that one can synchronize easily
all watches of an inertial reference frame, and that one can paper it with
watches synchronized ones with the others for little which they are fixed.
However, not only nature, the universe, is not made like that, and thus it
acts of a false postulate; but still, this postulate induces total nonsense
in race end apparent speeds cannot be symmetrical in Langevin.

On the other hand, if it is admitted that the speed of the light is not the
same one in the two directions for all the observers (except for a
transverse observer), then it does not have there more no problem. That
becomes very coherent."
Ok, we can agree on that. Perhaps Mssr. Valev can translate it better than
Babelfish.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

"Androcles" wrote in message
. uk...

"Richard Hachel" wrote in message
...
:
:
: Androcles a écrit :
:
: "Chris" wrote in message
: . uk...
: :I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand
it
: : either.
: :
: : The lorenz transform is symmentrical
:
: Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
: done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
: the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
: The mathematics is in section 3 of
: "On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
: and I've explained it he
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm
:
: Bravo Androcles!
:
: If you can read french:
: "L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser
facilement
: toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le
ta****er
: avec des montres
: synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient fixes.
: Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et
donc
: il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une
totale
: absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas
être
: symétriques dans le Langevin.
: Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la
même
: dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un observateur
: transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
: cohérent.
:

Babel fish translation:

"the error of Einstein consists in believing that one can synchronize
easily
all watches of an inertial reference frame, and that one can paper it with
watches synchronized ones with the others for little which they are fixed.
However, not only nature, the universe, is not made like that, and thus it
acts of a false postulate; but still, this postulate induces total
nonsense
in race end apparent speeds cannot be symmetrical in Langevin.

On the other hand, if it is admitted that the speed of the light is not
the
same one in the two directions for all the observers (except for a
transverse observer), then it does not have there more no problem. That
becomes very coherent."
Ok, we can agree on that. Perhaps Mssr. Valev can translate it better than
Babelfish.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

So .. you are a fixed ether believer then .. where the speed of light
depends on movement relative to a fixed ether and so you get differing
speeds when moving with/against the ether, but not when moving across it?
If not. . what IS you actual position .. its hard to tell .. other than you
ego-feeding believe that you know better than Einstein and a centuries worth
of physicists.

"Androcles" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Chris" wrote in message
. uk...
:I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand it
: either.
:
: The lorenz transform is symmentrical

Ok, that is why you don't understand it.

You think it isn't symmetrical? That the LT is its own inverse?

What you have NOT
done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
the cuckoo malformations)

Which, as you are a prime example of a cuckoo, means nothing.

came into non-existence.
The mathematics is in section 3 of
"On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
and I've explained it he
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm

Your silly animation does NOT show what AE's definition means at all. He
says that in a given single frame of reference, in which A and B are at
rest, the time taken for light to go from A to B is the same as B to A, and
that if their clocks show this, then their clocks are in sync (and vice
versa).

You say "Gee, I hope I didn't make any errors, I so much want to understand
relativity."

That, of course, is a lie. You don't want to understand. You want Einstein
(and a century's worth of physicists) to be wrong and so you deliberately
misunderstand to make it so. Just so you can feed your own ego. Sad.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:26:51 +1100, "Jeckyl" wrote:

"Androcles" wrote in message
.uk...

"Richard Hachel" wrote in message
...
:
:
: Androcles a écrit :
:
: "Chris" wrote in message
: . uk...
: :I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand
it
: : either.
: :
: : The lorenz transform is symmentrical
:
: Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
: done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
: the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
: The mathematics is in section 3 of
: "On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
: and I've explained it he
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm
:
: Bravo Androcles!
:
: If you can read french:
: "L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser
facilement
: toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le
ta****er
: avec des montres
: synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient fixes.
: Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et
donc
: il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une
totale
: absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas
être
: symétriques dans le Langevin.
: Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la
même
: dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un observateur
: transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
: cohérent.
:

Babel fish translation:

"the error of Einstein consists in believing that one can synchronize
easily
all watches of an inertial reference frame, and that one can paper it with
watches synchronized ones with the others for little which they are fixed.
However, not only nature, the universe, is not made like that, and thus it
acts of a false postulate; but still, this postulate induces total
nonsense
in race end apparent speeds cannot be symmetrical in Langevin.

On the other hand, if it is admitted that the speed of the light is not
the
same one in the two directions for all the observers (except for a
transverse observer), then it does not have there more no problem. That
becomes very coherent."
Ok, we can agree on that. Perhaps Mssr. Valev can translate it better than
Babelfish.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

So .. you are a fixed ether believer then .. where the speed of light
depends on movement relative to a fixed ether and so you get differing
speeds when moving with/against the ether, but not when moving across it?
If not. . what IS you actual position .. its hard to tell .. other than you
ego-feeding believe that you know better than Einstein and a centuries worth
of physicists.

Hooray, you finally got something right.
Androcles is indeed a closet aetherist...





Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:26:51 +1100, "Jeckyl" wrote:
:
: "Androcles" wrote in message
: .uk...
:
: "Richard Hachel" wrote in message
: ...
: :
: :
: : Androcles a écrit :
: :
: : "Chris" wrote in message
: : . uk...
: : :I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't
understand
: it
: : : either.
: : :
: : : The lorenz transform is symmentrical
: :
: : Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
: : done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
: : the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
: : The mathematics is in section 3 of
: : "On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
: : and I've explained it he
: : http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm
: :
: : Bravo Androcles!
: :
: : If you can read french:
: : "L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser
: facilement
: : toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le
: ta****er
: : avec des montres
: : synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient
fixes.
: : Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et
: donc
: : il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une
: totale
: : absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas
: être
: : symétriques dans le Langevin.
: : Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la
: même
: : dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un
observateur
: : transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
: : cohérent.
: :
:
: Babel fish translation:
:
: "the error of Einstein consists in believing that one can synchronize
: easily
: all watches of an inertial reference frame, and that one can paper it
with
: watches synchronized ones with the others for little which they are
fixed.
: However, not only nature, the universe, is not made like that, and thus
it
: acts of a false postulate; but still, this postulate induces total
: nonsense
: in race end apparent speeds cannot be symmetrical in Langevin.
:
: On the other hand, if it is admitted that the speed of the light is not
: the
: same one in the two directions for all the observers (except for a
: transverse observer), then it does not have there more no problem. That
: becomes very coherent."
: Ok, we can agree on that. Perhaps Mssr. Valev can translate it better
than
: Babelfish.
: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
:
: So .. you are a fixed ether believer then .. where the speed of light
: depends on movement relative to a fixed ether and so you get differing
: speeds when moving with/against the ether, but not when moving across it?
: If not. . what IS you actual position .. its hard to tell .. other than
you
: ego-feeding believe that you know better than Einstein and a centuries
worth
: of physicists.
:
: Hooray, you finally got something right.
: Androcles is indeed a closet aetherist...

****head Wilson is a bull****ting sheep shagging LIAR.

"When Einstein deviously rendered the aether redundant (although still a
reality)" -- Wilson the crank aetherialist.
news
"DON'T TRY TO USE ROTATING FRAMES." -- Wilson (who can't manage it).



"A rotating frame is not a 'rotating frame'...
hahahahhahahahaha!" --Wilson


"There is no doppler shift in BaTh." -- Wilson
http://tinyurl.com/2rk695

"In BaTh there is NO DOPPLER SHIFT AT THE OBSERVER"


"There is NO WAVELENGTH SHIFT at the observer."


"Light doesn't have a 'frequency'. It has a wavelength." --Wilson.
ups.com

"SPINNING OBJECTS HAVE A FREQUENCY, NOT A BLOODY WAVELENGTH." -- Wilson
news
"Light doesn't have a particuar 'frequency' in the normal sense.
Frequency is the inferred rate at whichABSOLUTE wavecrests leave the
source" -- Wilson.


"THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT IN GENERAL, THE 'WAVELENGTH' OF AN OSCILLATION IS
THE
SAME IN ALL FRAMES." -- Wilson


"Anyway, this now fits in perfectly with my 'intrinsic oscillation
frequency' idea.
Thankyou Jerry for helping me develop my theory...." -- Wilson,
October 26, 2007 1:03 PM


"That's the kind of argument I'd expect from a desperate
person....completely out of ideas... ahahahaha!" -- Wilson.

"For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson.
...
"That's for the nonrotating frame, dopey." -- Wilson.
.

"There is NOT the same number of wavelengths between the STARTPOINT and
the detector" -- Wilson


"plonk" -- Wilson (faced with his own words)


You don't use emission theory and don't know what it is, your
crackpot theory is BaTh; you've been whining that for 6 years, you
invented it when I was in hospital in Florida with a shattered ankle
and I've been in Britain 4.75 years while you've gotten gradually more
senile. In all that time you've only learned to write "Dr" in front of
your name which nobody believes.
You blew it with denying Doppler and your tick fairies, senile old fart.

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:26:51 +1100, "Jeckyl" wrote:

"Androcles" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Richard Hachel" wrote in message
...
:
:
: Androcles a écrit :
:
: "Chris" wrote in message
: . uk...
: :I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't
understand
it
: : either.
: :
: : The lorenz transform is symmentrical
:
: Ok, that is why you don't understand it. What you have NOT
: done is examined how the "Lorentz Transformations" (which I call
: the cuckoo malformations) came into non-existence.
: The mathematics is in section 3 of
: "On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Crazy Einstein,
: and I've explained it he
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...mart/Smart.htm
:
: Bravo Androcles!
:
: If you can read french:
: "L'erreur d'Einstein consiste à croire qu'on peut synchroniser
facilement
: toutes les montres d'un référentiel inertiel, et qu'on peut le
ta****er
: avec des montres
: synchronisées les unes avec les autres pour peu qu'elles soient
fixes.
: Or, non seulement la nature, l'univers, n'est pas fait comme ça, et
donc
: il s'agit d'un postulat faux; mais encore, ce postulat induit une
totale
: absurdité en fin de course: les vitesses apparentes ne peuvent pas
être
: symétriques dans le Langevin.
: Par contre, si l'on admet que la vitesse de la lumière n'est pas la
même
: dans les deux sens pour tous les observateurs (sauf pour un
observateur
: transverse), alors il n'y a plus aucun problème. Cela devient très
: cohérent.
:

Babel fish translation:

"the error of Einstein consists in believing that one can synchronize
easily
all watches of an inertial reference frame, and that one can paper it
with
watches synchronized ones with the others for little which they are
fixed.
However, not only nature, the universe, is not made like that, and thus
it
acts of a false postulate; but still, this postulate induces total
nonsense
in race end apparent speeds cannot be symmetrical in Langevin.

On the other hand, if it is admitted that the speed of the light is not
the
same one in the two directions for all the observers (except for a
transverse observer), then it does not have there more no problem. That
becomes very coherent."
Ok, we can agree on that. Perhaps Mssr. Valev can translate it better
than
Babelfish.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

So .. you are a fixed ether believer then .. where the speed of light
depends on movement relative to a fixed ether and so you get differing
speeds when moving with/against the ether, but not when moving across it?
If not. . what IS you actual position .. its hard to tell .. other than
you
ego-feeding believe that you know better than Einstein and a centuries
worth
of physicists.

Hooray, you finally got something right.
Androcles is indeed a closet aetherist...

When you're right, you're right

"Androcles" wrote in message
. uk...
[snip same old copy and paste crap]

Nothing left