Waves, virtually by definition, travel at the rate at which change (in
the configuration of a given medium) is propagated in that medium.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition -- that the speed of
gravitational waves (a la Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

And if the former is in fact c, so must the latter be.

"Sancho's Atomic Trousers" schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ups.com...
Waves, virtually by definition, travel at the
rate at which change (in the configuration
of a given medium) is propagated in that
medium.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition --
that the speed of gravitational waves (a la
Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

And if the former is in fact c, so must the
latter be.

No.
The "speed" of gravitation can experimentally
be observed by the speed that SGR transports
energy & momentum at least at multi-c (if not
even simultaneously). Cf Substance-relevant
Gravitational Resonance explained (1 page) in
www.sources.li/SGR-e.pdf.

Sancho's Atomic Trousers wrote:

Waves, virtually by definition,

already wrong

travel at the rate at which change (in
the configuration of a given medium) is propagated in that medium.

Tell us why longitudinal and transverse waves in an elastic medium
typically travel at different velocities.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition -- that the speed of
gravitational waves (a la Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

Idiot.

And if the former is in fact c, so must the latter be.

Lightspeed is set by the permittivity and permeability of the vacuum.
The Scharnhorst effect allows lightspeed to be altered. Tell us how
gravity waves (as opposed to gravitation) are electromagnetically
constrained.

Idiot.

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"Uncle Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
Sancho's Atomic Trousers wrote:

Waves, virtually by definition,

already wrong

travel at the rate at which change (in
the configuration of a given medium) is
propagated in that medium.

Tell us why longitudinal and transverse
waves in an elastic medium typically travel
at different velocities.

You tell us, including why there should be
"gravity waves" at all if you believe in them.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition --
that the speed of gravitational waves (a la
Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

Idiot.

Why do you call everybody "idiot", when you yourself
with your formula of faith in the absurdity (Sir Isaac)
of qualitative "mass attraction" & all that comes with
it as UQTs of the natural sciences are a sci.idiot of the
first order? & not just that, because by supporting such
absurdities you are a supporter of the collective
repressing natural knowledge & thus help to provoke
the collective's irrational behaviour in Holocaust, War,
Knowledge corruption, Terrorism, & Destructive
Technology -- do read www.paf.li/Quantification.pdf.
"Quantification Mathematics Modelling Scientific
Method: The Central Problem of Global Civilization.
Moreover, if you have eyes to see do look at the GFMI
as well as at SGR in order to get rid of your absurd
UQTs.

And if the former is in fact c, so must the latter be.

Lightspeed is set by the permittivity and permeability
of the vacuum.

No. The speed of light is dependent on the surrounding
temperatu www.paf.li/perceptions.htm#_Toc2338386
"The Generation of the Spectrum in a Prism" ff.

The Scharnhorst effect allows lightspeed to be altered.
Tell us how gravity waves (as opposed to gravitation)
are electromagnetically constrained.

Idiot.

Obviously as a sci.idiot you wish to be an uncle of idiots.
But I don't like such relations, Al.

++++

SGR = Substance-relevant Gravitational Resonance
cf www.sources.li/SGR-e.pdf

GFMI = Gravitational Field Measuring Instrument:
cf www.sources.li/gfmi-proof.pdf,
www.sources.li/physical-congress-2006.pdf;
output of experiment online in
http://evu.paf.li, substance-relevant in
http://evu.paf.li/rrd/hg.html - Mercury
http://evu.paf.li/rrd/cu.html - Copper
http://evu.paf.li/rrd/sn.html - Tin
http://evu.paf.li/rrd/pb.html - Lead

UQT = Unlogical Quantitative Theories
(cf http://www.paf.li/Quantification.pdf)

"Chris Marx c/o www.paf.li" wrote:

"Uncle Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
Sancho's Atomic Trousers wrote:

Waves, virtually by definition,

already wrong

travel at the rate at which change (in
the configuration of a given medium) is
propagated in that medium.

Tell us why longitudinal and transverse
waves in an elastic medium typically travel
at different velocities.

You tell us, including why there should be
"gravity waves" at all if you believe in them.

Predicted by General Relativity, necessary as a quadrupolar
dissipative mechanism for relativistic orbits, and observed to spec,

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609417
http://www.oakland.edu/physics/mog29/mog29.pdf
PSR J0737-3039A/B, deeply relativistic neutron star binary

Idiot.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition --
that the speed of gravitational waves (a la
Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

Idiot.

Why do you call everybody "idiot", when you yourself
with your formula of faith in the absurdity (Sir Isaac)
of qualitative "mass attraction" & all that comes with
it as UQTs of the natural sciences are a sci.idiot of the
first order?

Newton was wrong.

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html
Experimental constraints on General Relativity

Idiot.

& not just that, because by supporting such
absurdities you are a supporter of the collective
repressing natural knowledge & thus help to provoke
the collective's irrational behaviour in Holocaust, War,
Knowledge corruption, Terrorism, & Destructive
Technology -- do read www.paf.li/Quantification.pdf.
"Quantification Mathematics Modelling Scientific
Method: The Central Problem of Global Civilization.
Moreover, if you have eyes to see do look at the GFMI
as well as at SGR in order to get rid of your absurd
UQTs.

Idiot.

And if the former is in fact c, so must the latter be.

Lightspeed is set by the permittivity and permeability
of the vacuum.

No. The speed of light is dependent on the surrounding
temperatu www.paf.li/perceptions.htm#_Toc2338386
"The Generation of the Spectrum in a Prism" ff.

What is the variation of refractive index with temp for zirconium
tungstate?

Empirical idiot.

[snip further crap]

--
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

On Oct 13, 5:35 am, Sancho's Atomic Trousers
wrote:
Waves, virtually by definition, travel at the rate at which change (in
the configuration of a given medium) is propagated in that medium.

Thus it follows -- almost from definition -- that the speed of
gravitational waves (a la Einstein) is the same as the "speed of
gravity".

And if the former is in fact c, so must the latter be.

G-wave detectors have been strangely silent
to the chagrin of GRist's. I think there was
a high expectation we'd get a good thumping
signal by now, but it didn't happen, therefore
there is no hard evidence of g-waves.

OTOH, you can imagine if the Sun blew up
to become all EMR, it would take 8 minutes
for us to know, (the distance from the Sun
to Earth is 8 Light minutes).

GR (IMO) uses and depends upon light to
predict it's effects, therefore the
sense of gravity would disappear 8 minutes
after the Sun blew up.
Aside from the EMR passing Earth the effect
of the Sun disappearing would hardly be
noticeable gravitationally, because the
Earth is in free-fall, and would continue
to be.
Solar tides would cease.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker

Hello, Uncle!

UA What is the variation of refractive index with temp for zirconium
tungstate?

Using what wavelength and temperatures ?