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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
Pentcho Valev
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Today's Einsteins in the Perimeter Institute suddenly declared a
crisis, a paradox, a revolution, and started an extremely hard work:

http://maisonneuve.org/index.php?&pa...rticle_id=2934
"CRISES + PARADOX = REVOLUTION. WELCOME TO THE PERIMETER INSTITUTE
WHERE TODAY'S EINSTEINS ARE HARD AT WORK."

I am not a subscriber to the magazine so I have not read the whole
paper but I am almost sure the paradox Today's Einsteins are tackling
is one involved in length contraction - an effect the field concept of
light (light as continuous structures) and its implication, Einstein's
second (light) postulate, predict:

http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."

Today's Einsteins have discovered that, if the doors are not reopened
at all, a paradox emerges. The trapped pole must be both 40m long and
80m long. So Today's Einsteins will try to solve the paradox by
abandoning the field concept of light (light as continuous structures)
and its implication, Einstein's light postulate c'=c, and adopting
Newton's corpuscular theory of light and its implication c'=c+v, where
c' is the observed speed of photons, c is the initial speed of photons
relative to the light source and v is the relative speed of the light
source and the observer. The transition from c'=c to c'=c+v will be
extremely difficult and will take a lot of time and money but Today's
Einsteins are optimists by nature.

Pentcho Valev

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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
oups.com......

.....Today's Einsteins are optimists by nature.


Who are these "Einsteins " that you are referring to? And for what reason do
you have for making such a wide sweeping character generalization??

Pete


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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
Pentcho Valev
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On 28 Sep, 13:30, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message

oups.com......

.....Today's Einsteins are optimists by nature.


Who are these "Einsteins " that you are referring to? And for what reason do
you have for making such a wide sweeping character generalization??


Elsewhere I call them "hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult". Yes all
of them are optimists by nature. Only optimists can expect the world
to accept this:

http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."

You may even discover that Today's Einsteins are just as optimistic as
Big Brother's theoreticians:

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ George Orwell "1984":
"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and
you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make
that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it.
Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of
external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy
of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that
they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be
right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or
that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If
both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if
the mind itself is controllable what then?"

Pentcho Valev

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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 28 Sep, 13:30, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message

oups.com......

.....Today's Einsteins are optimists by nature.


Who are these "Einsteins " that you are referring to? And for what reason
do
you have for making such a wide sweeping character generalization??


Elsewhere I call them "hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult". Yes all
of them are optimists by nature. Only optimists can expect the world
to accept this:

http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."


Why do you believe it is wrong?

Question: Have you actually studied relativity, say, by reading an SR text
cover to cover working out as many homework problems as you are able to?

Best regards

Pete


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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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On 28 Sep, 14:26, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote:

On 28 Sep, 13:30, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message


groups.com......


.....Today's Einsteins are optimists by nature.


Who are these "Einsteins " that you are referring to? And for what reason
do
you have for making such a wide sweeping character generalization??


Elsewhere I call them "hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult". Yes all
of them are optimists by nature. Only optimists can expect the world
to accept this:


http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."


Why do you believe it is wrong?


It is not wrong, it is idiotic. But don't worry - in Einstein zombie
world it is not idiotic. There would be a problem in Einstein zombie
world if Einsteinians were slow and failed to reopen the doors pretty
quickly - then how sad the picture of the 80m long pole trapped inside
the 40m long barn would be! Fortunately Einsteinians are not slow and
always manage to reopen the doors pretty quickly. So the problem
disappears, Einsteinians sing "Divine Einstein" and then go into
convulsions:

http://www.bnl.gov/community/Tours/E.../Einsteine.jpg
http://www.haverford.edu/physics-astro/songs/divine.htm
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-58/i...e_einstein.mp3

Pentcho Valev

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Old September 28th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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Best regards


not help saying that to Pentchito...


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Old September 29th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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On Sep 28, 7:26 am, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message

oups.com...





On 28 Sep, 13:30, "Pmb" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message


groups.com......


.....Today's Einsteins are optimists by nature.


Who are these "Einsteins " that you are referring to? And for what reason
do
you have for making such a wide sweeping character generalization??


Elsewhere I call them "hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult". Yes all
of them are optimists by nature. Only optimists can expect the world
to accept this:


http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an
instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you
close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open
them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the
contracted pole shut up in your barn."


Why do you believe it is wrong?

Question: Have you actually studied relativity, say, by reading an SR text
cover to cover working out as many homework problems as you are able to?

Best regards

Pete- Hide quoted text -

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