http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "One of the big ideas, one of the big results, in the
last decade in string theory has been to find a close association, in
fact an equivalence, between field theories and string theories. Even
though string theory starts with a very different point of view and
you can study it without it ever seeming to be a field theory, you
realize...Like a book in French and in Sanskrit-they don't look the
same, but if you have a dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh,
this is the same book."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...09145525ca.pdf
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."

Pentcho Valev

Ce forum devrait etre en francais non?
Desole Pencho mais pourquoi ne pas creer un forum specialise
Pentcho.astrophysique?

Mais il existe peut-etre.

Alain

On 28 Sep, 12:33, "Alain Haioun" wrote:
Ce forum devrait etre en francais non?

Je traduis (en bref): Brian Greene dit que la theorie du champ et la
theorie des cordes sont equivalentes. Einstein, a la fin de sa
carriere, a dit (lettre adressee a son ami M. Besso, 1954): "Je
considere qu'il est bien possible que la physique ne puisse pas etre
basee sur la notion de champ, c'est-a-dire, sur des structures
continues. Dans ce cas-la, rien ne reste de tout mon chateau en l'air,
y compris la theorie de la gravitation, et du reste de la physique
moderne."

Pentcho Valev

On Sep 28, 1:47 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "One of the big ideas, one of the big results, in the
last decade in string theory has been to find a close association, in
fact an equivalence, between field theories and string theories. Even
though string theory starts with a very different point of view and
you can study it without it ever seeming to be a field theory, you
realize...Like a book in French and in Sanskrit-they don't look the
same, but if you have a dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh,
this is the same book."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."

Pentcho Valev

Poor Pentcho, still doesn't understand science. That
seems to be the common thread underlying every single
one of your posts.

I imagine you can't understand how all of the
following could be true:

(1) So far as I know, all experimental tests agree
with GR to the limits of experimental precision.

(2) GR is the only theory we currently have that
is correct on these predictions.

(3) I believe GR will not last forever.

(4) I hope to still be alive when the limits of
GR's domain of applicability are found. That would
be the single most exciting scientific event of
my lifetime.

Can you figure out how I could be in what
you term a "hypnotic criminal cult" and make
statements like #3 and #4? Do you think #2 and
#4 are contradictory? After all #2 is a statement
of religious faith, isn't it? And statement #4
is a statement which is heretical to that faith,
isn't it?

I'll go further. I believe that
(5) No scientist working today in GR believes that
GR will last forever. Indeed, I doubt any professional
scientist in any field thinks GR will last forever.

Personally, I think (I hope) the breakdown to
be found in the observations of extreme redshifts,
the "dark energy" theories.

- Randy

ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Good one!
Believer "Randy Poe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "to find a close association, in fact an equivalence,
between field theories and string theories. ... if you have a
dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh, this is the same ."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."
Pentcho Valev

[Believer Poe]
Poor Pentcho, still doesn't understand science. You can't
understand how all of the following could be true:
(1) So far as I know, all experimental tests agree
with GR to the limits of experimental precision.

[hanson]
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm
Now show all the experiments that did NOT agree with GR.
ahahaha....

[Believer Poe]
(2) GR is the only theory we currently have that
is correct on these predictions.

[hanson]
BFD!... what predictions? There are no PRE-dictions.
There are only POST-dictions in physics, Laminations about
measurements of an experiment AFTER the experiment
that are called thories. To boot, in GR's case ALL of its
solution use Newtons "G". So, GR = BFD!.... ahahahaha...

[Believer Poe]
(3) I believe GR will not last forever.
4) I hope to still be alive when the limits of
GR's domain of applicability are found. That would be
the single most exciting scientific event of my lifetime

[hanson]
************************
That would be the single most exciting event of Poe's lifetime.
************************
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA..
AHAHAHHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA
ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahaha...

Randy, thanks for the laughs and for being so honest in
advertising that your are the most excitable Einstein Dingleberry
in these NGs...
*** Poor Randy Poe, YOU will never get to understand....***
because you fit right, perfectly, into the Dingleberry Catechism:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8298f4a2794397
wherein it says:
Einstein's Dingleberries are NOT any different then are kikes,
ass-venters or bible beaters or any other religious fanatics.
They all think and behave alike since they all BELIEVE that

1) ... they have something that humankind can't live without.
2) ... they are the holder of the truth and the only truth.
3) ... they hold the best of the best there is.
4) ... they have something so special that it must be awed at.
5) ... they are intellectually superior and better than all others.
6) ... they are above doubt or disbelief.
7) ... they are entitled to special respect and awe by others.
8) ... they are above criticism or ridicule by others.
9) ... they must silence, suppress, condemn & root out all others.
10).. they must advocate/spread/proselytize their only truth.

Listen Randy, your ED affliction has turned you into damaged
goods that you are now because you did not listen to your
role model Einstein who himself ruefully concluded shortly
before his death when he confessed, in 1954, to Besso:

::: "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
::: on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
::: case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
::: theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.

.... Einstein finally admitted and saw the wisdom of is mentor
Max Planck who said more than half a century earlier to A.E.:

::: "Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our
::: disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination."
::: [Max Planck, ~1894]

echoed by current luminaries, a century later, when looking back like

::: Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
::: who said
::: "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the 20th century
::: will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."

::: or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
::: Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, essentially
::: associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"

IOW, all that was done since Einstein's con got blown all out of
proportions are technology engineering developments (NOT based
on SR/GR), but no new physics emerged except the loud clankering
by Einstein's Dingleberries, who moved ever closer to his sphincter,
a nuisance which Einstein himself tried to shake loose ever since
1920, when he admonished his ED's with that they "should NOT
search at the same, now well lit places, where he, Einstein, had been
working".

Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha...ahahanson

PS:
Einstein's Anus Mirabilis
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...824b27dab62a0d

"hanson" wrote in message
news:io9Li.259$6Y5.56@trnddc07...
: ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Good one!
: Believer "Randy Poe" wrote in message
: ups.com...
:
: Pentcho Valev wrote:
: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
: Brian Greene: "to find a close association, in fact an equivalence,
: between field theories and string theories. ... if you have a
: dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh, this is the same ."
:
: http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
: Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
: be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
: Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
: theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
: physics."
: Pentcho Valev
:
: [Believer Poe]
: Poor Pentcho, still doesn't understand science. You can't
: understand how all of the following could be true:
: (1) So far as I know, all experimental tests agree
: with GR to the limits of experimental precision.
:
: [hanson]
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm
: Now show all the experiments that did NOT agree with GR.
: ahahaha....
:
: [Believer Poe]
: (2) GR is the only theory we currently have that
: is correct on these predictions.
:
: [hanson]
: BFD!... what predictions? There are no PRE-dictions.
: There are only POST-dictions in physics, Laminations about
: measurements of an experiment AFTER the experiment
: that are called thories. To boot, in GR's case ALL of its
: solution use Newtons "G". So, GR = BFD!.... ahahahaha...
:
: [Believer Poe]
: (3) I believe GR will not last forever.
: 4) I hope to still be alive when the limits of
: GR's domain of applicability are found. That would be
: the single most exciting scientific event of my lifetime
:
: [hanson]
: ************************
: That would be the single most exciting event of Poe's lifetime.
: ************************
: ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA..
: AHAHAHHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA
: ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
:
: Randy, thanks for the laughs and for being so honest in
: advertising that your are the most excitable Einstein Dingleberry
: in these NGs...
: *** Poor Randy Poe, YOU will never get to understand....***
: because you fit right, perfectly, into the Dingleberry Catechism:
:
: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8298f4a2794397
: wherein it says:
: Einstein's Dingleberries are NOT any different then are kikes,
: ass-venters or bible beaters or any other religious fanatics.
: They all think and behave alike since they all BELIEVE that
:
: 1) ... they have something that humankind can't live without.
: 2) ... they are the holder of the truth and the only truth.
: 3) ... they hold the best of the best there is.
: 4) ... they have something so special that it must be awed at.
: 5) ... they are intellectually superior and better than all others.
: 6) ... they are above doubt or disbelief.
: 7) ... they are entitled to special respect and awe by others.
: 8) ... they are above criticism or ridicule by others.
: 9) ... they must silence, suppress, condemn & root out all others.
: 10).. they must advocate/spread/proselytize their only truth.
:
: Listen Randy, your ED affliction has turned you into damaged
: goods that you are now because you did not listen to your
: role model Einstein who himself ruefully concluded shortly
: before his death when he confessed, in 1954, to Besso:
:
:::: "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
:::: on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
:::: case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
:::: theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.
:
: ... Einstein finally admitted and saw the wisdom of is mentor
: Max Planck who said more than half a century earlier to A.E.:
:
:::: "Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our
:::: disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination."
:::: [Max Planck, ~1894]
:
: echoed by current luminaries, a century later, when looking back like
:
:::: Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
:::: who said
:::: "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the 20th century
:::: will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
:
:::: or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
:::: Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, essentially
:::: associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"
:
: IOW, all that was done since Einstein's con got blown all out of
: proportions are technology engineering developments (NOT based
: on SR/GR), but no new physics emerged except the loud clankering
: by Einstein's Dingleberries, who moved ever closer to his sphincter,
: a nuisance which Einstein himself tried to shake loose ever since
: 1920, when he admonished his ED's with that they "should NOT
: search at the same, now well lit places, where he, Einstein, had been
: working".
:
: Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha...ahahanson
:
: PS:
: Einstein's Anus Mirabilis
: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...824b27dab62a0d
:
Pretty soon Einstein's Witnesses will come knocking on your
door with a copy of the "Watch Pit", the analogue of Jehovah's
Witnesses "Watch Tower", trying to convert you to their faith.
You too can be a dingleberry if you cling to Einstein's arse long
enough to see the **** emerging.

On Sep 28, 11:49 am, "hanson" wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Good one!
Believer "Randy Poe" wrote in oglegroups.com...

Pentcho Valev wrote:

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "to find a close association, in fact an equivalence,
between field theories and string theories. ... if you have a
dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh, this is the same ."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."
Pentcho Valev

[Believer Poe]
Poor Pentcho, still doesn't understand science. You can't
understand how all of the following could be true:
(1) So far as I know, all experimental tests agree
with GR to the limits of experimental precision.

[hanson]http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

Do you think there's anything correct on that page?

The fact that you'd quote Androcles as an authority,
and his cartoons as empirical evidence, tells me a
lot.

Now show all the experiments that did NOT agree with GR.
ahahaha....

As I said, I don't know of any.

[Believer Poe]
(2) GR is the only theory we currently have that
is correct on these predictions.

[hanson]
BFD!... what predictions?

That would be calculations done in advance of
measurement.

There are no PRE-dictions.

This is a truth-challenged statement. The most
famous in this forum is the clock rate of the
GPS clocks.

[Believer Poe]
(3) I believe GR will not last forever.
4) I hope to still be alive when the limits of
GR's domain of applicability are found. That would be
the single most exciting scientific event of my lifetime

[hanson]
************************
That would be the single most exciting event of Poe's lifetime.

Like Androcles, I see you find the need to edit
"quotes". What the heck, when actual facts (such as
the empirical record) and actual quotes (such as
what I said) don't work, make up your own,
right?

- Randy

ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Good one!
Believer "Randy Poe" wrote in message
ups.com...
oups.com...
On Sep 28, 11:49 am, "hanson" wrote:

Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "to find a close association, in fact an equivalence,
between field theories and string theories. ... if you have a
dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh, this is the same ."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."
Pentcho Valev

[Believer Poe]
Poor Pentcho, still doesn't understand science. You can't
understand how all of the following could be true:
(1) So far as I know, all experimental tests agree
with GR to the limits of experimental precision.

[hanson]
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm
Now show all the experiments that did NOT agree with GR.
ahahaha....

[Believer Poe]
(2) GR is the only theory we currently have that
is correct on these predictions.

[hanson]
BFD!... what predictions? There are no PRE-dictions.
There are only POST-dictions in physics, Laminations about
measurements of an experiment AFTER the experiment
that are called theories. To boot, in GR's case ALL of its
solution use Newtons "G". So, GR = BFD!.... ahahahaha...

[Believer Poe]
(3) I believe GR will not last forever.
4) I hope to still be alive when the limits of
GR's domain of applicability are found. That would be
the single most exciting scientific event of my lifetime

[hanson]
************************
That would be the single most exciting event of Poe's lifetime.
************************
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHA..
AHAHAHHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA
ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahahaha... ahahaha...

[Cranked Believer Poe]
Like Androcles, I see you find the need to edit
"quotes". What the heck, when actual facts (such as
the empirical record) and actual quotes (such as
what I said) don't work, make up your own, right?
- Randy

[hanson]
hanson reposted the orginal part which Randy didn't want
to hear and snipped ......ahahahaha... Here it is again,
for your benefit, Randy:

[hanson]

Randy, thanks for the laughs and for being so honest in
advertising that your are the most excitable Einstein Dingleberry
in these NGs...
*** Poor Randy Poe, YOU will never get to understand....***
because you fit right, perfectly, into the Dingleberry Catechism:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8298f4a2794397
wherein it says:
Einstein's Dingleberries are NOT any different then are kikes,
ass-venters or bible beaters or any other religious fanatics.
They all think and behave alike since they all BELIEVE that

1) ... they have something that humankind can't live without.
2) ... they are the holder of the truth and the only truth.
3) ... they hold the best of the best there is.
4) ... they have something so special that it must be awed at.
5) ... they are intellectually superior and better than all others.
6) ... they are above doubt or disbelief.
7) ... they are entitled to special respect and awe by others.
8) ... they are above criticism or ridicule by others.
9) ... they must silence, suppress, condemn & root out all others.
10).. they must advocate/spread/proselytize their only truth.

Listen Randy, your ED affliction has turned you into damaged
goods that you are now because you did not listen to your
role model Einstein who himself ruefully concluded shortly
before his death when he confessed, in 1954, to Besso:

::: "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
::: on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
::: case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
::: theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.

.... Einstein finally admitted and saw the wisdom of is mentor
Max Planck who said more than half a century earlier to A.E.:

::: "Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our
::: disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination."
::: [Max Planck, ~1894]

echoed by current luminaries, a century later, when looking back like

::: Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
::: who said
::: "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the 20th century
::: will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."

::: or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
::: Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, essentially
::: associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"

IOW, all that was done since Einstein's con got blown all out of
proportions are technology engineering developments (NOT based
on SR/GR), but no new physics emerged except the loud clankering
by Einstein's Dingleberries, who moved ever closer to his sphincter,
a nuisance which Einstein himself tried to shake loose ever since
1920, when he admonished his ED's with that they "should NOT
search at the same, now well lit places, where he, Einstein, had been
working".

Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha...ahahanson

PS:
Einstein's Anus Mirabilis
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...824b27dab62a0d

On Sep 28, 1:47 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/eins...n07_index.html
Brian Greene: "One of the big ideas, one of the big results, in the
last decade in string theory has been to find a close association, in
fact an equivalence, between field theories and string theories. Even
though string theory starts with a very different point of view and
you can study it without it ever seeming to be a field theory, you
realize...Like a book in French and in Sanskrit-they don't look the
same, but if you have a dictionary that relates them, you can say, oh,
this is the same book."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...0-433a-b7e3-4a...
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."

Pentcho Valev

xxein: Has anybody ever considered that a field may change due to
changing locality - to a different field location that is different
from the one initially so-described?

The universe may have begun from a singularity (a singular field), but
as we can see, it is not a singularity of homogeneous anything any
longer. If it was, then 'everywhere' would look and act the same.
AND we wouldn't be discussing a non-issue.

I think that Einstein would have preferred to say that there are now
'differentiated' fields that are continuous and that they are able to
flow from one to the other in the process of universal expansion and
local contraction that may occur (gravitation) due to internal motions
within a non-stable environment. We do not have an unchanging
universe.

Green's analogy would be inept because Strings do not have a described
'capacity' to differentiate and create local fields. I may be wrong
in saying that, but there is another strong reason that Strings cannot
be a viable guess. I forget what it is right now, but I think it has
to do with how gravity works. In any case, it is illogical and leads
to more paradox than Relativity manages to produce despite how they
want us to think.