On 8 Sept, 14:00, Pentcho Valev wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:
On 8 Sept, 13:40, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote in sci.physics.relativity:

"Pentcho Valev" wrote:

[snip]

Moortel Moortel does the following discovery of Master Tom Roberts's
deserve a place among your fumbles?

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...34dc146100e32c
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

Yes, it absolutely deserves a place:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ervePlace.html
Thanks.

Dirk Vdm

Moortel Moortel how about this:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...86b4b365dee16?
Pentcho Valev: "CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A
GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?"
Tom Roberts: "Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the
measurement. It can also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume
you really mean the standard value for c). And this can happen even
for an accelerated observer in a region without any significant
gravitation (e.g. in Minkowski spacetime)."

Moortel Moortel you are right: Master Tom Roberts' first discovery
(special relativity "would be unaffected" even if "light in vacuum
does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform")
should be glorified and deserves a place among your fumbles but Master
Tom Roberts' second discovery (the speed of light is variable and can
exceed 300000km/s) is no discovery at all. Rather, it is a grand
secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult. However there is
a third discovery made by Master Tom Roberts, and you may decide to
glorify it by placing it among your fumbles:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...d13a5863cbd34?
Pentcho Valev: "...explain why you claim Einstein's 1911 euation
c'=c(1+V/c^2) is "at best an APPROXIMATION, and is applicable only to
a very limited class of physical situations".
Tom Roberts: "Because it is not contained in GR -- Einstein wrote it
while trailblazing the path from SR to GR. I see I over-spoke, and
realize now that it is not any approximation, and is not valid for any
physical situation."

Pentcho Valev

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
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On 8 Sept, 14:00, Pentcho Valev wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:
On 8 Sept, 13:40, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote in sci.physics.relativity:

"Pentcho Valev" wrote:

[snip]

Moortel Moortel does the following discovery of Master Tom Roberts's
deserve a place among your fumbles?

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...34dc146100e32c
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their
domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

Yes, it absolutely deserves a place:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ervePlace.html
Thanks.

Dirk Vdm

Moortel Moortel how about this:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...86b4b365dee16?
Pentcho Valev: "CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A
GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?"
Tom Roberts: "Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the
measurement. It can also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume
you really mean the standard value for c). And this can happen even
for an accelerated observer in a region without any significant
gravitation (e.g. in Minkowski spacetime)."

Moortel Moortel you are right: Master Tom Roberts' first discovery
(special relativity "would be unaffected" even if "light in vacuum
does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform")

Tom Roberts did not discover that - it has been known for decades. It is
simply one of your many many misconceptions.

Bill

should be glorified and deserves a place among your fumbles but Master
Tom Roberts' second discovery (the speed of light is variable and can
exceed 300000km/s) is no discovery at all. Rather, it is a grand
secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult. However there is
a third discovery made by Master Tom Roberts, and you may decide to
glorify it by placing it among your fumbles:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...d13a5863cbd34?
Pentcho Valev: "...explain why you claim Einstein's 1911 euation
c'=c(1+V/c^2) is "at best an APPROXIMATION, and is applicable only to
a very limited class of physical situations".
Tom Roberts: "Because it is not contained in GR -- Einstein wrote it
while trailblazing the path from SR to GR. I see I over-spoke, and
realize now that it is not any approximation, and is not valid for any
physical situation."

Pentcho Valev

On 9 Sept, 09:33, "Bill Hobba" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message

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On 8 Sept, 14:00, Pentcho Valev wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:
On 8 Sept, 13:40, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote in sci.physics.relativity:

"Pentcho Valev" wrote:

[snip]

Moortel Moortel does the following discovery of Master Tom Roberts's
deserve a place among your fumbles?

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...owse_frm/threa...
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their
domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

Yes, it absolutely deserves a place:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ervePlace.html
Thanks.

Dirk Vdm

Moortel Moortel how about this:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...owse_frm/threa...
Pentcho Valev: "CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A
GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?"
Tom Roberts: "Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the
measurement. It can also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume
you really mean the standard value for c). And this can happen even
for an accelerated observer in a region without any significant
gravitation (e.g. in Minkowski spacetime)."

Moortel Moortel you are right: Master Tom Roberts' first discovery
(special relativity "would be unaffected" even if "light in vacuum
does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform")

Tom Roberts did not discover that - it has been known for decades.

Of course he did not - Tom Roberts just plagiarized Professor Jean-
Marc Levy-Leblond and Professor Jong-Ping Hsu:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...4b543c9ed073e?

The problem is that Tom Roberts is the last hypnotist in Einstein
criminal cult that still defends Einstein's idiocies (cleverer
hypnotists abandoned Einstein long time ago). It takes some courage to
do so and I appreciate that by calling him "discoverer" although he is
just a plagiarist, like Divine Albert.

Pentcho Valev

On 9 Sept, 09:59, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On 9 Sept, 09:33, "Bill Hobba" wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote:
Moortel Moortel you are right: Master Tom Roberts' first discovery
(special relativity "would be unaffected" even if "light in vacuum
does not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform")

Tom Roberts did not discover that - it has been known for decades.

Of course he did not - Tom Roberts just plagiarized Professor Jean-
Marc Levy-Leblond and Professor Jong-Ping Hsu:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...4b543c9ed073e?

The problem is that Tom Roberts is the last hypnotist in Einstein
criminal cult that still defends Einstein's idiocies (cleverer
hypnotists abandoned Einstein long time ago). It takes some courage to
do so and I appreciate that by calling him "discoverer" although he is
just a plagiarist, like Divine Albert.

Still sometimes plagiarists give clearer explanations than original
authors. Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond and Jong-Ping Hsu, the original
authors, could never reach the clarity Tom Roberts the plagiarist has
reached:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...4dc146100e32c?
Tom Roberts: "IOW: if it is ultimately discovered that the photon has
a nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

Mike: "If c varies, it is not Einstein's SR, [...]"

Tom Roberts: "Sure it is. It's just that a different set of postulates
are used to derive the same set of theorems. The interpretations, of
course, are unchanged. Same theorems and same interpretations = same
theory. IOW: physics is not locked in a time warp at 1905."

Pentcho Valev