Why Time, space, motion are not relative

Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.

Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....

Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....

God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,

For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..

This deception turned true science into Science fiction........

On Sep 2, 9:29 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative

Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.

Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....

Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....

God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,

For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..

This deception turned true science into Science fiction........


I suppose you'll next state that God created Euclidean geometry.

I suppose you'll next state that God created Euclidean geometry.
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len= you can't have it both ways, Euclid did not create geometry it
developed over a period of several thousand yrs.

Euclidean geometry worked well for mathematicians, as long as the
universe was full of Gods like Jupiter, mars, and Venus, Mathematicians
were the elite, until astronomers proved, Jupiter, mars, and Venus,were
actually planets, and the universe appeared to be infinite in size..


Rather than take a back seat to Astronomy, Mathematicians began looking
for deceptive ways to circumvent the obvious that the universe was
infinite.

Non Euclidean geometry was dogma, There was never scientific or
mathematical proof, it was strictly political to reduce the power of the
corrupt clergy of Europe

"Leonard Abbott" wrote in message
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I suppose you'll next state that God created Euclidean geometry.
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len= you can't have it both ways, Euclid did not create geometry it
developed over a period of several thousand yrs.

Sure.


Euclidean geometry worked well for mathematicians,


And surveyors, engineers, and countless other professions to which it is
indispensable.

as long as the
universe was full of Gods like Jupiter, mars, and Venus, Mathematicians
were the elite, until astronomers proved, Jupiter, mars, and Venus,were
actually planets, and the universe appeared to be infinite in size..


Rather than take a back seat to Astronomy, Mathematicians began looking
for deceptive ways to circumvent the obvious that the universe was
infinite.

They defined what infinite is. I bet you don't even know what that
definition is.


Non Euclidean geometry was dogma,


No mathematical theory is dogma. It is simply a set of axioms that may or
may not have application. But for some reason no one really knows, most
areas of math have application. Once applied how far it deviates from
observation tells how good a model it is.

There was never scientific or
mathematical proof, it was strictly political to reduce the power of the
corrupt clergy of Europe


Nope - it was invited by Gauss who was put off by Kant's philosophy that
held sway at the time. The philosophy held Euclidian geometry was a priori.
It aren't.

Bill

Bill; I bet you don't even know what that definition is.

There are several words that explain infinity, but it can't be done with
math, or Geometry..

always, with out end, eternal, for ever,

To understand you must believe, atheists don't understand because they
don't believe...or are not allowed to believe.

On Sep 5, 6:54 pm, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Bill; I bet you don't even know what that definition is.

Harsh criticism from someone who can't even figure out how to use a
real computer.


There are several words that explain infinity, but it can't be done with
math, or Geometry..

....and how much math and geometry have *you* studied?

Oh, that's right...none.


always, with out end, eternal, for ever,

To understand you must believe, atheists don't understand because they
don't believe...or are not allowed to believe.

Get off the cross. We need the wood.

On Sep 2, 4:56 pm, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
I suppose you'll next state that God created Euclidean geometry.
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len= you can't have it both ways, Euclid did not create geometry it
developed over a period of several thousand yrs.

Euclidean geometry worked well for mathematicians, as long as the
universe was full of Gods like Jupiter, mars, and Venus, Mathematicians
were the elite, until astronomers proved, Jupiter, mars, and Venus,were
actually planets, and the universe appeared to be infinite in size..

Rather than take a back seat to Astronomy, Mathematicians began looking
for deceptive ways to circumvent the obvious that the universe was
infinite.

Non Euclidean geometry was dogma, There was never scientific or
mathematical proof, it was strictly political to reduce the power of the
corrupt clergy of Europe


You have it all ass backwards. First of all, there is no such thing
as scientific proof, whatever you seem to think that means. And
mathematically, you can prove essentially anything that you wish to,
provided you begin with the proper postulates and proceed in an
entirely conistent manner. And since math doesn't deal with nature,
as science does, just what ridiculous criteria would you propose to
restrain it? And what other areas of math do you disagree with just
because you seem to think their initial assumptions are faulty?

"Leonard Abbott" wrote in message
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Bill; I bet you don't even know what that definition is.

A set that can be put into 1-1 correspondence with a proper subset.


There are several words that explain infinity, but it can't be done with
math, or Geometry..

always, with out end, eternal, for ever,

I asked for its definition in mathematics.


To understand you must believe, atheists don't understand because they
don't believe...or are not allowed to believe.


Understanding has nothing to do with believing. It has to do with knowing
what a theory says - not believing it.

Bill