PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c

Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:
http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell....Theorie/c.htm

The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
and light moves of course with c.
And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
ie. yourself watching the situation.

The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.

The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

And what does the lower ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c - 2/3c = 0.33c.

This proves that
1) speed of remote light (or of any other inertial object) is NOT constant for all inertial frames!
(everybody can measure a different value, depending on his own speed)
2) net speed can very well be faster than c !
3) no relativistic velocity addition needed (would be even wrong in this case)!
4) what Einstein's Relativity Theory (SR/GR) teaches is nothing but nonsense!

qbit wrote:
The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

wrong.

And what does the lower ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c - 2/3c = 0.33c.

wrong.

This is the usual confusing between close velocity and relative velocity

The only thing it proves is that Galilean Relativity is not Special
Relativity.

"qbit" wrote in message
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PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c

Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:
http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell....Theorie/c.htm

The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
and light moves of course with c.
And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
ie. yourself watching the situation.

The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.

The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

If you mean closing or separating speed, yes, of course . .that is just what
SR would predict

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light
pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

No .. it measure c

And what does the lower ship measure for the speed of the remote light
pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c - 2/3c = 0.33c.

No .. it measure c

This proves that

You don't know your physics

1) speed of remote light (or of any other inertial object) is NOT constant
for all inertial frames!
(everybody can measure a different value, depending on his own speed)

Yes .. it is

2) net speed can very well be faster than c !

Yes if can

3) no relativistic velocity addition needed (would be even wrong in this
case)!

Yes .. it is

4) what Einstein's Relativity Theory (SR/GR) teaches is nothing but
nonsense!

No .. it isn't

Try again.

"qbit" wrote in message
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: PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
: PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c
:
: Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:
:
http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell....Theorie/c.htm
:
: The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
: and light moves of course with c.
: And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
: ie. yourself watching the situation.
:
: The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
: c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
: c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.


"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.

: The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
: upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
: gives the same result as well.
: So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
: the light pulse together.
:
: And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light
pulse?
: Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.


:
: And what does the lower ship measure for the speed of the remote light
pulse?
: Of course NOT c ! It measures c - 2/3c = 0.33c.

"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.


: This proves that
: 1) speed of remote light (or of any other inertial object) is NOT constant
for all inertial frames!

"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.

: (everybody can measure a different value, depending on his own speed)
: 2) net speed can very well be faster than c !


"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.

: 3) no relativistic velocity addition needed (would be even wrong in this
case)!
: 4) what Einstein's Relativity Theory (SR/GR) teaches is nothing but
nonsense!

"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.

"Androcles" wrote in message
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"qbit" wrote in message
...
: PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
: PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c
:
: Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:
:
http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell....Theorie/c.htm
:
: The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
: and light moves of course with c.
: And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
: ie. yourself watching the situation.
:
: The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
: c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
: c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.


"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A" -- St.
Einstein the Divine Idiot.

What a waste of a reply. That you think there is some problem with what he
said shows your own idiocy.

On Aug 16, 9:53 pm, "qbit" wrote:
PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c

Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell...eorie/Spez.Rel...

The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
and light moves of course with c.
And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
ie. yourself watching the situation.

The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.

It may come as a surprise to you that velocities don't combine by
simple addition and subtraction.

I understand that you may have been taught that they do in junior high
or freshman classes, but it isn't quite correct.


The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

And what does the lower ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c - 2/3c = 0.33c.

This proves that
1) speed of remote light (or of any other inertial object) is NOT constant for all inertial frames!
(everybody can measure a different value, depending on his own speed)
2) net speed can very well be faster than c !
3) no relativistic velocity addition needed (would be even wrong in this case)!
4) what Einstein's Relativity Theory (SR/GR) teaches is nothing but nonsense!

"PD" wrote in message
oups.com...
: On Aug 16, 9:53 pm, "qbit" wrote:
: PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
: PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c
:
: Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates
this:http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell...eorie/Spez.Rel...
:
: The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
: and light moves of course with c.
: And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
: ie. yourself watching the situation.
:
: The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
: c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
: c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.
:
: It may come as a surprise to you that velocities don't combine by
: simple addition and subtraction.

Phuckwit Duck, you are not only bigoted and a paranoid whiner, but you
cannot
read for comprehension worth a hoot.

: I understand

Liar.

On Aug 16, 6:53 pm, "qbit" wrote:

[...]

The only thing you have proven is that you don't know the difference
between Galilean relativity and Special relativity.

On Aug 16, 10:53 pm, "qbit" wrote:
PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c

Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell...eorie/Spez.Rel...

The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
and light moves of course with c.
And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
ie. yourself watching the situation.

The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.

The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.


incorrect and the result never exceeds "c".

equation needed is w = (u+v)/(1+uv/c^2) where u = c and v = 2/3c

wrote
On Aug 16, 10:53 pm, "qbit" wrote:

PROOF: Speed of remote light is NOT constant for all inertial frames
PROOF2: Net speed can very well be faster than c

Just study this simple simulation which very good demonstrates this:
http://home.vrweb.de/~si.pe/Speziell....Theorie/c.htm

The two spaceships move both with constant 2/3c in opposite direction,
and light moves of course with c.
And imagine an observer from an inertial rest frame,
ie. yourself watching the situation.

The net speed of ship and light as seen from your inertial frame is:
c + 2/3c = 1.67c for the upper ship, and
c - 2/3c = 0.33c for the lower ship.

The same result is true also for the inertial frames of the
upper and lower ship, and even the inertial frame of the light
gives the same result as well.
So all 4 inertial frames see a net speed c for the upper ship and
the light pulse together.

And what does the upper ship measure for the speed of the remote light pulse?
Of course NOT c ! It measures c + 2/3c = 1.67c.

incorrect and the result never exceeds "c".
equation needed is w = (u+v)/(1+uv/c^2) where u = c and v = 2/3c

Then you must be blind. Just study the above simulation more closely.
Then maybe you will see that you are talking BS with your RelAdd() formula,
as it cannot be applied here.