Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1

Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).
Everything in RT is limited to this upper speed limit, and termed
as "relativistic addition" etc. The Lorentz-Factor (also called gamma)
does that limiting to c. For example when adding velocities together
the sum never can become = c.
RT relies solely on this fact and is highly dependent on this.

Below I will prove that this speed limit of RT cannot hold
for every object. It might be true for light (photons) itself,
and some other atomic particles, but this upper speed limit
cannot be valid for everything in the universe, especially not
for macroscopic objects like spaceships or celestial bodies like comets.

Here is an experiment that proves Einstein's Relavity Theory wrong:

We are performing a Free Fall Experiment above a star
that has a mass of about 130 times the mass of our Sun
and a radius of about 150 times the radius of our Sun
(see for example the data of the star system "LBV 1806-20"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBV_1806-20 for more info).

For comparison here are also the data of our Sun
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ):
Msun = 1.9891E30 kg
Rsun = 6.955E8 m

And here's a hypothetical but a realistic (cf. above) normal star
for our experiment. We define that it has no atmosphere and
that the space around it is the usual normal vacuum space,
and that there is no other gravitational fields nearby:
M = 258E30 kg (about 130 Sun masses)
R = 104E9 m (about 150 Sun radii)

We want to release a test-object to fall on to the surface of this star,
solely by using the gravitational attraction of the star. Ie. the test-object
has neither an own engine nor an initial speed; it will be released from rest.
The test-object is a symmetric and homogenous sphere of steel
or a similar material with some neglectable dimensions:
let's say it has a mass of just 1 kg and a radius of 5 cm.

Some calculations (consult your Classical Mechanics book):
G = 6.67428E-11 (Newton's Gravitational Constant)
c = 299,792,458 m/s (Speed of light)
g = G*M / R^2 = 1.592052737 m/s^2 (gravitational accelleration at the surface)

We will release the test-object at this distance from the surface of the star:
h = 113E15 m

It will free-fall in less than 11.94 years to the surface:
t = sqrt(2*h / g) = 377E6 seconds, ie. in less than 11.94 earth years
(actually it will take even less time if RT's own "time dilation" is correct :-)

Now comes the surprise: the final velocity of the object will be
v = sqrt(2*g*h) = 599E6 m/s
And guess what this is: this is about twice the speed of light!!! :-)))

So, Einstein's Relativity Theory is debunked by this proof. Q.E.D.!

R.I.P. RT, SR, GR, A.E.

On Aug 8, 8:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1

Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).
Everything in RT is limited to this upper speed limit, and termed
as "relativistic addition" etc. The Lorentz-Factor (also called gamma)
does that limiting to c. For example when adding velocities together
the sum never can become = c.
RT relies solely on this fact and is highly dependent on this.

Below I will prove that this speed limit of RT cannot hold
for every object. It might be true for light (photons) itself,
and some other atomic particles, but this upper speed limit
cannot be valid for everything in the universe, especially not
for macroscopic objects like spaceships or celestial bodies like comets.

Here is an experiment that proves Einstein's Relavity Theory wrong:

We are performing a Free Fall Experiment above a star
that has a mass of about 130 times the mass of our Sun
and a radius of about 150 times the radius of our Sun
(see for example the data of the star system "LBV 1806-20"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBV_1806-20for more info).

For comparison here are also the data of our Sun
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun):
Msun = 1.9891E30 kg
Rsun = 6.955E8 m

And here's a hypothetical but a realistic (cf. above) normal star
for our experiment. We define that it has no atmosphere and
that the space around it is the usual normal vacuum space,
and that there is no other gravitational fields nearby:
M = 258E30 kg (about 130 Sun masses)
R = 104E9 m (about 150 Sun radii)

We want to release a test-object to fall on to the surface of this star,
solely by using the gravitational attraction of the star. Ie. the test-object
has neither an own engine nor an initial speed; it will be released from rest.
The test-object is a symmetric and homogenous sphere of steel
or a similar material with some neglectable dimensions:
let's say it has a mass of just 1 kg and a radius of 5 cm.

Some calculations (consult your Classical Mechanics book):
G = 6.67428E-11 (Newton's Gravitational Constant)
c = 299,792,458 m/s (Speed of light)
g = G*M / R^2 = 1.592052737 m/s^2 (gravitational accelleration at the surface)

We will release the test-object at this distance from the surface of the star:
h = 113E15 m

It will free-fall in less than 11.94 years to the surface:
t = sqrt(2*h / g) = 377E6 seconds, ie. in less than 11.94 earth years
(actually it will take even less time if RT's own "time dilation" is correct :-)

Now comes the surprise: the final velocity of the object will be
v = sqrt(2*g*h) = 599E6 m/s
And guess what this is: this is about twice the speed of light!!! :-)))

So, Einstein's Relativity Theory is debunked by this proof. Q.E.D.!

R.I.P. RT, SR, GR, A.E.

Yes, you have conclusively proven that you are a troll, and an
ignorant one at that.

"qbit" wrote in message ...

Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1

Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).

Typo fix:
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s).

Everything in RT is limited to this upper speed limit, and termed
as "relativistic addition" etc. The Lorentz-Factor (also called gamma)
does that limiting to c. For example when adding velocities together
the sum never can become = c.
RT relies solely on this fact and is highly dependent on this.

Below I will prove that this speed limit of RT cannot hold
for every object. It might be true for light (photons) itself,
and some other atomic particles, but this upper speed limit
cannot be valid for everything in the universe, especially not
for macroscopic objects like spaceships or celestial bodies like comets.

Here is an experiment that proves Einstein's Relavity Theory wrong:

We are performing a Free Fall Experiment above a star
that has a mass of about 130 times the mass of our Sun
and a radius of about 150 times the radius of our Sun
(see for example the data of the star system "LBV 1806-20"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBV_1806-20 for more info).

For comparison here are also the data of our Sun
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ):
Msun = 1.9891E30 kg
Rsun = 6.955E8 m

And here's a hypothetical but a realistic (cf. above) normal star
for our experiment. We define that it has no atmosphere and
that the space around it is the usual normal vacuum space,
and that there is no other gravitational fields nearby:
M = 258E30 kg (about 130 Sun masses)
R = 104E9 m (about 150 Sun radii)

We want to release a test-object to fall on to the surface of this star,
solely by using the gravitational attraction of the star. Ie. the test-object
has neither an own engine nor an initial speed; it will be released from rest.
The test-object is a symmetric and homogenous sphere of steel
or a similar material with some neglectable dimensions:
let's say it has a mass of just 1 kg and a radius of 5 cm.

Some calculations (consult your Classical Mechanics book):
G = 6.67428E-11 (Newton's Gravitational Constant)
c = 299,792,458 m/s (Speed of light)
g = G*M / R^2 = 1.592052737 m/s^2 (gravitational accelleration at the surface)

We will release the test-object at this distance from the surface of the star:
h = 113E15 m

It will free-fall in less than 11.94 years to the surface:
t = sqrt(2*h / g) = 377E6 seconds, ie. in less than 11.94 earth years
(actually it will take even less time if RT's own "time dilation" is correct :-)

Now comes the surprise: the final velocity of the object will be
v = sqrt(2*g*h) = 599E6 m/s
And guess what this is: this is about twice the speed of light!!! :-)))

So, Einstein's Relativity Theory is debunked by this proof. Q.E.D.!

R.I.P. RT, SR, GR, A.E.

On Aug 8, 4:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
[snip idiocy]

Congratulations, you used Newtonian mechanics to "disprove" special
relativity.

qbit wrote:
Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1 [...]

You assumed that Newtonian gravitation (NG) holds EXACTLY in a situation
for which it has never been tested. Not even close. Moreover, our best
theory of gravity, General Relativity, predicts that NG does not come
close to being valid in the situation you describe.

Your "proof" is no such thing, and is worthless.

If you are interested in learning how modern physics addresses such
issues, I recommend:

Geroch, _General_Relativity_from_A_to_B_.


Tom Roberts

On Aug 8, 8:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1

Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).

WHY NOT TAKE THE EASY ROUTE ?

First of all, this " Nothing ", has no mass.

Therefore, theoretically there is no mass to inhibit an increase in
velocity to such a measure.

And so it does appear as though " Nothing " can move faster than the
speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).

On Aug 8, 8:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1

Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).

WHY NOT TAKE THE EASY ROUTE ?

First of all, this " Nothing ", has no mass.

Therefore, theoretically there is no mass to inhibit an increase in
velocity to such a measure.

And so it does appear as though " Nothing " can move faster than the
speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).

On Aug 8, 5:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
[all idiocies snipped]



Chino, you are blooming as a fullblown crank. Give it a rest.

On Aug 8, 5:13 pm, "qbit" wrote:
[all idiocies snipped]



Chino, you are blooming as a fullblown crank. Give it a rest.

"Tom Roberts" wrote
qbit wrote:

Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1 [...]

You assumed that Newtonian gravitation (NG) holds EXACTLY in a situation
for which it has never been tested. Not even close.

Hey, the whole universe is working after the same Newton principle.
For more than 13 billion years now! This is proof enough.

Moreover, our best theory of gravity, General Relativity,
predicts that NG does not come close to being valid
in the situation you describe.

LOL! I'm saying and proving that RT is buggy!!! Not only me,
but also many many many other people around the world say the same!
You can not ignore this fact any longer! Some decisions must be
undertaken, and RT must be banned from the schools and universities
because it has been proven that RT is a false and fraudelent theory
based on tricks and lies.

Your "proof" is no such thing, and is worthless.

Why? Because you said so? :-)
Arguments please! Hard facts please!

If you are interested in learning how modern physics addresses such

Just let us know how the so called "modern physics" solves this problem.
Which another postulate will be added to RT to adress this situation? :-)
It cannot solve it anyway differently. It is a classical, million-times tested
Free-Fall Experiment; everbody can do the easy math him/herself
and will come to the same conclusion like in my demonstration!