F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.
Gallon say contains 1 million water molecules
The area x length that contains the water is 1000m^2 x 100^m.

Can you figure out how many water molecules there is, and what is
their average velocity in m/sec.....Answer is yes.

**********LIKEWISE**************
Model: Current in a wire moving in between two N &S magnets

I = amperes = coulombs/sec = n_I q/sec (n_I is the number of charges)
A = area of wire
L = length of wire

F = ILB = n_I AL qv B

Since the number of charges in L is n_I *A* L = "n" therefore

F= nqv B where "n" is the total number of charges affected by the
magnetic field B.

-----------------------------------------------------
More precisely F= nqv B sin(angle) is the EXACT same as the Force
applied on a single charge where n = 1 ( F_singlecharge = qv B
sin(angle) )

In fact both the wire and the single charge also deflect in the same
direction as pertaining to the right hand rule.


CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ****FORCE**** OF TWO
N&S MAGNETS ON A SINGLE CHARGE OR ON THE CURRENT (MULTIPLE MOVING
CHARGES) IN A WIRE.

***********************************

The above is important because in the physics book that specifies the
force is a result between the ****magnetic field of the current*****
versus the magnetic field of the N&S magnets thus LIKEWISE for a
single charge.

And the Force for the current in that wire = nqv x B thus nqv DOES
NOT MEAN the circular magnetic field doesn't interact with the N&S
magnet's magnetic field.

(F= g x m and not F= g x Gm/r^2 likewise for F = B x nqv)

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 13, 2:58 pm, " wrote:
Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.
Gallon say contains 1 million water molecules
The area x length that contains the water is 1000m^2 x 100^m.

Can you figure out how many water molecules there is, and what is
their average velocity in m/sec.....Answer is yes.

**********LIKEWISE**************
Model: Current in a wire moving in between two N &S magnets

I = amperes = coulombs/sec = n_I q/sec (n_I is the number of charges)
A = area of wire
L = length of wire

L = length of wire that lies in between the two N&S magnets

F = ILB = n_I AL qv B

Since the number of charges in L is n_I *A* L = "n" therefore

F= nqv B where "n" is the total number of charges affected by the
magnetic field B.

-----------------------------------------------------
More precisely F= nqv B sin(angle) is the EXACT same as the Force
applied on a single charge where n = 1 ( F_singlecharge = qv B
sin(angle) )

In fact both the wire and the single charge also deflect in the same
direction as pertaining to the right hand rule.

CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ****FORCE**** OF TWO
N&S MAGNETS ON A SINGLE CHARGE OR ON THE CURRENT (MULTIPLE MOVING
CHARGES) IN A WIRE.

***********************************

The above is important because in the physics book that specifies the
force is a result between the ****magnetic field of the current*****
versus the magnetic field of the N&S magnets thus LIKEWISE for a
single charge.


McGrawHill physics book quote: "...on one side of the wire the
magnetic field ****DUE TO THE CURRENT**** reinforces the field ALREADY
present (meaning the already present field of the N&S magnets) while
on the "other side" of the wire the two fields are OPPOSITE in
direction."


...."the force on the wire is directed from the stronger field TOWARD
the weaker one, or from the side on which the two fields reinforce to
the side on which the two fields oppose"

And the Force for the current in that wire = nqv x B thus nqv DOES
NOT MEAN the circular magnetic field doesn't interact with the N&S
magnet's magnetic field.

(F= g x m and not F= g x Gm/r^2 likewise for F = B x nqv)

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 13, 3:58 pm, " wrote:
Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.


OK... Capacitors are like water in buckets

Below, an amimation is presented of a Maxwell circuit.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~westy31/Maxwell.gif
http://www.xs4all.nl/~westy31/Electric.html

Pretend each inductor is a nitrogen atom in
free-space.


Sue...

[...]

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 13, 10:58 am, " wrote:
[snip crap]

Hey, idiot. We don't care.

You didn't even KNOW about the cross product until WE TOLD YOU ABOUT
IT.

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 13, 9:09 pm, " wrote:
On Jul 13, 2:58 pm, " wrote: Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.
Gallon say contains 1 million water molecules
The area x length that contains the water is 1000m^2 x 100^m.

this is a lot of water


Can you figure out how many water molecules there is, and what is
their average velocity in m/sec.....Answer is yes.

**********LIKEWISE**************
Model: Current in a wire moving in between two N &S magnets

I = amperes = coulombs/sec = n_I q/sec (n_I is the number of charges)
A = area of wire

you mean cross section area

L = length of wire

L = length of wire that lies in between the two N&S magnets



F = ILB = n_I AL qv B

Since the number of charges in L is n_I *A* L = "n" therefore

F= nqv B where "n" is the total number of charges affected by the
magnetic field B.

-----------------------------------------------------
More precisely F= nqv B sin(angle) is the EXACT same as the Force
applied on a single charge where n = 1 ( F_singlecharge = qv B
sin(angle) )

In fact both the wire and the single charge also deflect in the same
direction as pertaining to the right hand rule.

CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ****FORCE**** OF TWO
N&S MAGNETS ON A SINGLE CHARGE OR ON THE CURRENT (MULTIPLE MOVING
CHARGES) IN A WIRE.

***********************************

The above is important because in the physics book that specifies the
force is a result between the ****magnetic field of the current*****
versus the magnetic field of the N&S magnets thus LIKEWISE for a
single charge.

McGrawHill physics book quote: "...on one side of the wire the
magnetic field ****DUE TO THE CURRENT**** reinforces the field ALREADY
present (meaning the already present field of the N&S magnets) while
on the "other side" of the wire the two fields are OPPOSITE in
direction."

..."the force on the wire is directed from the stronger field TOWARD
the weaker one, or from the side on which the two fields reinforce to
the side on which the two fields oppose"

tha force, not currents, magnets don do currents


And the Force for the current in that wire = nqv x B thus nqv DOES
NOT MEAN the circular magnetic field doesn't interact with the N&S
magnet's magnetic field.

(F= g x m and not F= g x Gm/r^2 likewise for F = B x nqv)

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 14, 7:51 am, my cat wrote:
On Jul 13, 9:09 pm, " wrote:

On Jul 13, 2:58 pm, " wrote: Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.
Gallon say contains 1 million water molecules
The area x length that contains the water is 1000m^2 x 100^m.

this is a lot of water



Can you figure out how many water molecules there is, and what is
their average velocity in m/sec.....Answer is yes.

**********LIKEWISE**************
Model: Current in a wire moving in between two N &S magnets

I = amperes = coulombs/sec = n_I q/sec (n_I is the number of charges)
A = area of wire

you mean cross section area



Correct, you are digilent.



L = length of wire

L = length of wire that lies in between the two N&S magnets

F = ILB = n_I AL qv B

Since the number of charges in L is n_I *A* L = "n" therefore

F= nqv B where "n" is the total number of charges affected by the
magnetic field B.

-----------------------------------------------------
More precisely F= nqv B sin(angle) is the EXACT same as the Force
applied on a single charge where n = 1 ( F_singlecharge = qv B
sin(angle) )

In fact both the wire and the single charge also deflect in the same
direction as pertaining to the right hand rule.

CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ****FORCE**** OF TWO
N&S MAGNETS ON A SINGLE CHARGE OR ON THE CURRENT (MULTIPLE MOVING
CHARGES) IN A WIRE.

***********************************

The above is important because in the physics book that specifies the
force is a result between the ****magnetic field of the current*****
versus the magnetic field of the N&S magnets thus LIKEWISE for a
single charge.

McGrawHill physics book quote: "...on one side of the wire the
magnetic field ****DUE TO THE CURRENT**** reinforces the field ALREADY
present (meaning the already present field of the N&S magnets) while
on the "other side" of the wire the two fields are OPPOSITE in
direction."

..."the force on the wire is directed from the stronger field TOWARD
the weaker one, or from the side on which the two fields reinforce to
the side on which the two fields oppose"

tha force, not currents, magnets don do currents


Correct, it is a quote (not my words) from McGrawHill physics books,
they are speaking of the force that arises from the current.





And the Force for the current in that wire = nqv x B thus nqv DOES
NOT MEAN the circular magnetic field doesn't interact with the N&S
magnet's magnetic field.

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F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 14, 6:26 am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jul 13, 10:58 am, " wrote:
[snip crap]

Hey, idiot. We don't care.

You didn't even KNOW about the cross product until WE TOLD YOU ABOUT
IT.

AND Speaking of idiots who can't read it was about a VECTOR cross-
product related to ***Fleming's right hand rule*** to which Misses
Erica Gisse ****WHO CANNOT READ AND ALWAYS COMPLAINS*** gave an Area
of a parallelogram as a dumb answer.


Actually it is better if Misses Erica Gisse keeps snipping everything
and "only" complains, for if she gave any MORE details than that, then
people might realize she ain't very bright.

F=qvxB: PROOF that Force on charge or wire is the same
 

On Jul 14, 5:36 am, "Sue..." wrote:
On Jul 13, 3:58 pm, " wrote:

Example:
Water flows at 2 gallons/sec.

OK... Capacitors are like water in buckets


Incorrect comparison, more like the "instance" of a "current" of water
flowing in a pipe tunnel.

Below, an amimation is presented of a Maxwell circuit. http://www.xs4all.nl/~westy31/Maxwel.../Electric.html

Pretend each inductor is a nitrogen atom in
free-space.

Sue...

[...]

You didn't understand the concept of what I wrote, nor did you point
to what you believed to be incorrect.
It seems you can't read a few paragraphs yet strangely enough you
contiunously point people to a zillion lines of text.