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: : On Jul 5, 10:51 am, "Androcles" wrote:
: : "malibu" wrote in message
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: : : On Jul 5, 10:02 am, "Androcles"
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: : : "Ian Parker" wrote in message
: : :
: : : roups.com...
: : : : On 5 Jul, 01:38, wrote:
: : : : http://www.iamthewitness.com/NASA-exposes-Apollo.html
: : : :
: : : : Those who were deceived by the Apollo Hoax will be
remembered,
: for
: : : : eternity, as the greatest fools ever to have walked the
: surface
: of
: : : : this planet.
: : : :
: : : : There is a conspiracy theory calculus. Basically the more
people
: who
: : : : conspire the greater the possibility of a leak. With the
large
: number
: : : : of people who participated in Apollo a leak would be
virually
: certain.
: : : :
: : : : Conspiracies are posible iff (2 fs deliberate) you have a
very
: small
: : : : tightly knit group of people.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : - Ian Parker
: : :
: : : Or to put it another way, two people can keep a secret iff one
of
: : : them is dead.
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : The film "Alien Autopsy" claimed to be based
: : : on actual footage that had
: : : gone astray.
: : : It was deemed a hoax. The film approached
: : : it from the angle of 'could anyone hoax this autopsy?'
: : :
: : : The consensus was it shoulda got an Oscar, if it
: : : was a hoax, cause it sure looked absolutely real.
: : :
: : : In the more current happening, the film
: : : "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon",
: : : an amount of footage got into the moon videos that wasn't
: : : supposed to. It shows Armstrong with the camera
: : : set up to make the Earth appear to be as far away
: : : as possible (shooting Earth through the porthole from the
: : : *opposite* side of the capsule with all the lights off.)
: : : We get to see Armstrong himself (unless its a hoax and
: : : someone used a stand-in double- YOU look at
: : : the film and decide) as the lights come back on, adjusting the
: : : camera. The other astronaut
: : : is adjusting the tape that stretches across part
: : : of the porthole that is making this shot look
: : : like "Earthrise". The date on the tape is exactly when
: : : they were supposed to be approaching the moon and
: : : they are obviously still in low earth orbit.
: : :
: : : **********WAS********** it Armstrong?
: : :
: : : Watch that movie- it's easily available
: : : on the web- if you're scared to,
: : : it just means you have too much invested in
: : : the fantasy.
: : :
: : : Warning, jumping ship earlier is better than later
: : : when the ship is going down.
: : : And this one is going down.
: : :
: : : John
: : : Galaxy Model
: : :
: : : Every atom has at least ONE of you.
: : : And me.
: : :
: : I don't need to watch any movie, I was alive and sentient in 1969.
: : Since then I've watched shuttles launch from Cape Canaveral. Live.
: :
: : Point ends here.
:
: : Any idiot that hallucinates a launch is not for real has to be a
: complete
: : and total ****head. Scepticism is healthy, blind stupidity is
sick.
: : But then, that's just what you are. Sick.
: :
: : One star, I rate this post, for it's terrible lack of civility and
: : morals.
: : Your point is right, but the thing above is not necessary nor is it
: : good. You like to insult people -- HURT THEIR FEELINGS -- instead
: : of simply refuting their argument. Their feelings do not need to be
: : hurt, their argument just needs to be refuted.
:
: **** 'em. I never claimed to be good, just logical.
: You can't hurt my feelings, many try but I have the skin
: of a rhinoceros and I'm not looking for stars from you,
: the sky has more than I need.
:
: I insult those that insult the intelligence of others, especially
mine.
:
: If Ian Parker or "malibu" want to swallow and spout hoax theories
: they've heard of and latched onto then they are trying to hurt the
: feelings of the kinfolk of those who dedicated (and lost) their lives
: in the pursuit of science.
:
: http://www.vibrationdata.com/space/deaths.htm
:
: I'll kick their inconsiderate and stupid ****in' arses anytime.
: Why the **** should I care about their films or your ratings?
:
: Your ploy to substitute patriotism to cover the revelation of your total
: ineptness to discuss any reasonable fact only reveals just how shallow
you
: really are. You try to cover up your defeat of 'wits' with a display of
: superiority in humanitarianism, which is pure nonsense. A true
humanitarian
: would not have to threaten others with different views to propagate
their
: agenda. Also, are you so ill informed as to believe those who are dead
: really care what is said on this board? There are other things more
: honoring than respecting the dead, like treating those who are ALIVE
with
: respect, something you severely lack.
:
:
: Does this post contain any sort of respect? As if it doesn't, then
: you are practicing hypocrisy -- saying someone else should respect
: and not respecting them. Do you, just out of curiosity, think that he
: would be capable of, if he WANTED to, *become* apt enough to discuss
: reasonable fact? Ie, do you think it has to do with him not WANTING
: to change, as that is in fact why he does not, since everyone is
: capable of changing themselves (who else is, except that person,
: themself?), it's just that some don't WANT to change?
:
http://xkcd.com/258/

Why would you want to fake something which was easily within our
technological grasp in the 1960's?

for an exegesis of this presumed fact,
see Bucky Fuller's _Critical Path_.

how many of the "we didn't go" crowd,
worship at the tiny shrine o'Roswell?

Why would you want to fake something which was easily within our
technological grasp in the 1960's?

we don't seem to be having a conversation;
you're just being your usual a-hole-ish you,
yourself & Bradley -- king & queen
of the armchair SIMsuitnauts --
look, Venus is everywhere, everywhen, everyhow
in my stimulator:
the rectal dyslpay unit!

I satnd by just what I said, below, and
you will never even *try* to address that;
so, good bye, fool.

your problem is the opposite to the fact that
Venus if the aviator's most-cited UFO --
except that you *always* see it from your SIMchairsuit,
sort of like a virtual quasar in the machinery.

Moon is the *only* nonsolar object in system Sol,
that is visible during the daytime on Earth; likewise,
it may be that Earht is the only planet that is visible
from Moon, during lunar daytime --
without special equipment or photographical enhancement.

Besides the dozens of links to images posted that proves otherwise,
how many official Kodak images of our moon and other items such as
Venus would you like?

Orbital physics for the weird:
If fully standing in your gamma and Xray rad-proof moonsuit, and
shooting off a .220 Swift rifle cartridge at 1200+ m/s over that
physically dark horizon, as such would that bullet come back around
and hit you in your butt, your knee or just wing your toe?

At what elevation for lauching that .220 Swift rifle cartridge would
it take for making the entire orbit of that moon before hitting the
deck?
- Brad Guth

On Aug 9, 2:42 pm, Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum
wrote:
proviso:
the proof is in the nude Kodak moments,
where the astronauts are sunbathing in the Mojave moviesetting.

seriously,
what we were merely saying was that,
wherever Venus is in deed visible in these pix,
such as just before lunar-orbiter "sunrise" or
just after "sunset," then other foreground objects,
if they were included accidentally by the astrophotog,
would be completely washed-out (unless
it was just the shadowed side of the orbiter or
Earth e.g.).

think about this, before you persist with your attempts
to convert us all to Judaism!

thus quoth:
Only fragments of these remarks have been reported in the West, while
in Russia RIA Novosti gave its readers a headline ("Clinton supports
placement of BMD in Poland and the Czech Republic") that was directly
opposite to what President Clinton said.http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34..._at_yalta.html


Astronaut, flag and Earth, all within the same FOV, and with Kodak
film DR to spare. Go figure, where's Venus?

You're not making any sense, but then it's not your rusemaster job to
make sense.
- Brad Guth

you are the most implausibly twitty Semite,
I've ever encountered on this planet:
ANYONE who has ever actually taken & developed pictures,
as I have in a darkroom, knows that stars & planets almost *never* are
seen
in night-time photos of "foreground" objects, without specialized
printing;
the foreground stuff is "orders of magnitude" brigther
than those tiny pinpoints of light.

get that through your calloused dumbass chairsuit thicknesses.

why don't you try to get out of your chair, and
try to take some actual pictures of actual sky-stuff,
that you can see with your naked eye.

as you may know,
not even a waxing Moon is always visible close to noontime;
kind of limits your viewing opportunites of Venus;
doesn't it?... most newspapers print the sun & moon "rise" and "set"
times;
should they print Venus's two, just for you?

just answer the question, fool!

Astronaut, flag and Earth, all within the same FOV, and with Kodak
film DR to spare. Go figure, where's Venus?

the proof is in the nude Kodak moments,
where the astronauts are sunbathing in the Mojave moviesetting.

seriously,
what we were merely saying was that,
wherever Venus is in deed visible in these pix,
such as just before lunar-orbiter "sunrise" or
just after "sunset," then other foreground objects,
if they were included accidentally by the astrophotog,
would be completely washed-out (unless
it was just the shadowed side of the orbiter or
Earth e.g.).

thus:
like someone in sci.math said on his site,
Einstein may have been hornswoggled by Godel's toy "solution"
of the Einstein eqs. that gave "travel in time"[*], but
most of this **** is just obfuscation of relativity
a la the twin paradox, which is hardly acausal. unlike
the previous poster's belief in FTL, which clearly *could* amount
to "travelling in time," with all of the usual problems
of accidentally-or-on-purpose killing your ancestors, or
your descendants ... better get the in-laws, two!
there has never been any thing or observable quantum that could,
or would need, to go faster than light, including gravity, unless
you have an experiment where you can observe stuff,
"practically instantaneously," no matter how many light-moments,
away;
with which, you could observe light, without changing it.

as for Pons and Fleischman,
their results have been replicated all over the planet, and
many more besides, although I don't know of a complete theory, yet,
nor do I follow the field. unfortunately, a percieved conflict
with the hot fusion community crushed any USA funding,
at least til recently.

the calorimetric approach precludes the "storing-up
of energy as hydrogen in the electrodes," because
you still have to account for the energy to split the water. golly,
what is so problematic about the idea of fusion being catalyzed
within a metallic lattice -- how do you explain the excess heat and
nuclear products?

* or, it was just too recondite & special of a solution
--wasn't it a rotating cylindrical universe?-- to require an answer.

Do this with an important theory and your trip to Stockholm is 'in the
bag'.
On the other hand, you need to have a pretty good understanding to the
current theory. Otherwise you end up like Pons and Fleishman[two electro-
chemists that thought they discovered cold fusion] that lacked a good
understanding of the thermodynamics of measuring the energy into and output
of the system they were studying. They didn't realize that the system was
storing up energy in the form of hydrogen in the electrodes and releasing
the energy in bursts as the hydrogen oxidized.


thus:
the basic problem is that you muzlimfizikists believe that
those planes were not big-enough bombs to topple Earth's
tallest, most-highly-balanced structures. please,
look at the MIT head welder's analysis,
before you commit to this ideal.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34...onspiracy.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34...st_cheney.html

thus:
I'd love to hear about phase & group velocities; at least,
I admit not knowing the difference, while also not being a retail
member
of the Department of Einsteinmania Department!...
the speed of time is measured in seconds per lightsecond -- duh!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in216905.shtml
the absurdity of presumed FTL is the old whorecrux
of "travelling" in time, based upon silly phase-diagrams
a la Minkowski -- he died too young,
clearly traumatizing herr doktor-professor Albert!...
you may be tasked to kill every last one of your great-to-the-nth-
grandkids, unless
they get "forward to the past" to you, firstly, or
all of your great-to-the-nth granfolk.

Then you would know that one can't be used to send information so does not
violate SR. Just to be sure you actually do know why not tell us which one?

thus:
re http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt
I did not look at the "corrected" data, but
I wonder, why it was said to be the result
of a "Y2K bug." (I'm sure that
the generic y2K feature was used
to extort lots of "emerging markets"
around the world, though.)...
the UNIPCC has historically been trimmed
of anyone who did not go with the concensus,
with its primary agendum to be implimentation
of the Kyoto Protocol and successors (and
the precedent for Kyoto was Montreal,
after the Bronfman gang took-over DuPont;
their patents on Freons had expired)....
another example,
the recent (?) Newsweek that I found,
coverstory on "the global warming hoax wink,"
abuses S. Fred Singer, as usual failing
to mention his bona fides, so that
he only appears to be an energy cartel shill....
why do people believe that
the cartels do not love the Kyoto Protocol, or that
they are against their own statistical data,
known as Peak Oil --
what's missing in the gestalt, here?...
the glacier data that mosnieur Croppock linked,
is completely selective, as you can
tell by reading the encyclopedia-like article;
these glaciers are the ones
that are readily accessible!
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html
thus:
is it true, that only LaRouchiacs know that
Leo Szilard was the foundational model for Dr. Strangleove?
if you don't believe that,
watch a few episodes of Sagan's PBS biopic,
"The Weaponeers" -- except that
Szilard was his mentor, so!...
of course, there were probably compositional elements
of Sir Henry of Kiss.Ass., Macnamara, Chomsky et al
ad vomitorium from the Ayn RAND Corp.

thus quoth:
Only fragments of these remarks have been reported in the West, while
in Russia RIA Novosti gave its readers a headline
("Clinton supports placement of BMD in Poland and the Czech
Republic")
that was directly opposite to what President Clinton said.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34..._at_yalta.html

--n~nerfman~n!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07073...each_dick.html
14 Italian Senators Call for Cheney Impeachment
Aug. 1, 2007 (EIRNS)-
The Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee
(LPAC) issued the following release today.
Fourteen members of the Italian Senate have signed a call "to the
Members of Congress to support Rep. Kucinich's House Resolution 333
for the Impeachment of Dick Cheney."
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07080...tors_call.html

impossible;
there's enough atmosphere to screw that up. anyway,
the main thing is not atmospheric scattering,
just relative brightness of "foreground" objects --
the things that were being photographed.

anyway, since the Apollo landings were not near lunar sunrise or
sunset, how could Venus be visible, without occultation
of Sun by Moon --
*why* is it called the morningstar?

At what elevation for lauching that .220 Swift rifle cartridge would
it take for making the entire orbit of that moon before hitting the
deck?

thus:
in night-time photos of "foreground" objects, without specialized
printing;
the foreground stuff is "orders of magnitude" brigther
than those tiny pinpoints of light.

why don't you try to get out of your chair, and
try to take some actual pictures of actual sky-stuff,
that you can see with your naked eye.

as you may know,
not even a quarter Moon is always visible close to noontime;
kind of limits your viewing opportunites of Venus;
doesn't it?... most newspapers print the sun & moon "rise" and "set"
times;
should they print Venus's two, just for you?

Astronaut, flag and Earth, all within the same FOV, and with Kodak
film DR to spare. Go figure, where's Venus?

the proof is in the nude Kodak moments,
where the astronauts are sunbathing in the Mojave moviesetting,
a pile of spacesuits to the side.

thus:
like someone in sci.math said on his site,
Einstein may have been hornswoggled by Godel's toy "solution"
of the Einstein eqs. that gave "travel in time"[*], but
most of this **** is just obfuscation of relativity
a la the twin paradox, which is hardly acausal. unlike
the previous poster's belief in FTL, which clearly *could* amount
to "travelling in time," with all of the usual problems
of accidentally-or-on-purpose killing your ancestors, or
your descendants ... better get the in-laws, two!
there has never been any thing or observable quantum that could,
or would need, to go faster than light, including gravity, unless
you have an experiment where you can observe stuff,
"practically instantaneously," no matter how many light-moments,
away;
with which, you could observe light, without changing it.

as for Pons and Fleischman,
their results have been replicated all over the planet, and
many more besides, although I don't know of a complete theory, yet,
nor do I follow the field. unfortunately, a percieved conflict
with the hot fusion community crushed any USA funding,
at least til recently.

the calorimetric approach precludes the "storing-up
of energy as hydrogen in the electrodes," because
you still have to account for the energy to split the water. golly,
what is so problematic about the idea of fusion being catalyzed
within a metallic lattice -- how do you explain the excess heat and
nuclear products?

* or, it was just too recondite & special of a solution
--wasn't it a rotating cylindrical universe?-- to require an answer.

thus:
the basic problem is that you muzlimfizikists believe that
those planes were not big-enough bombs to topple Earth's
tallest, most-highly-balanced structures. please,
look at the MIT head welder's analysis,
before you commit to this ideal.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34...onspiracy.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34...st_cheney.html

thus:
I'd love to hear about phase & group velocities; at least,
I admit not knowing the difference, while also not being a retail
member
of the Department of Einsteinmania Department!...
the speed of time is measured in seconds per lightsecond -- duh!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in216905.shtml
the absurdity of presumed FTL is the old whorecrux
of "travelling" in time, based upon silly phase-diagrams
a la Minkowski -- he died too young,
clearly traumatizing herr doktor-professor Albert!...
you may be tasked to kill every last one of your great-to-the-nth-
grandkids, unless
they get "forward to the past" to you, firstly, or
all of your great-to-the-nth granfolk.

thus:
re http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt
I did not look at the "corrected" data, but
I wonder, why it was said to be the result
of a "Y2K bug." (I'm sure that
the generic y2K feature was used
to extort lots of "emerging markets"
around the world, though.)...
the UNIPCC has historically been trimmed
of anyone who did not go with the concensus,
with its primary agendum to be implimentation
of the Kyoto Protocol and successors (and
the precedent for Kyoto was Montreal,
after the Bronfman gang took-over DuPont;
their patents on Freons had expired)....
another example,
the recent (?) Newsweek that I found,
coverstory on "the global warming hoax wink,"
abuses S. Fred Singer, as usual failing
to mention his bona fides, so that
he only appears to be an energy cartel shill....
why do people believe that
the cartels do not love the Kyoto Protocol, or that
they are against their own statistical data,
known as Peak Oil --
what's missing in the gestalt, here?...
the glacier data that mosnieur Croppock linked,
is completely selective, as you can
tell by reading the encyclopedia-like article;
these glaciers are the ones
that are readily accessible!
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html
thus:
is it true, that only LaRouchiacs know that
Leo Szilard was the foundational model for Dr. Strangleove?
if you don't believe that,
watch a few episodes of Sagan's PBS biopic,
"The Weaponeers" -- except that
Szilard was his mentor, so!...
of course, there were probably compositional elements
of Sir Henry of Kiss.Ass., Macnamara, Chomsky et al
ad vomitorium from the Ayn RAND Corp.

thus quoth:
Only fragments of these remarks have been reported in the West, while
in Russia RIA Novosti gave its readers a headline
("Clinton supports placement of BMD in Poland and the Czech
Republic")
that was directly opposite to what President Clinton said.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34..._at_yalta.html

--n~nerfman~n!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07073...each_dick.html
14 Italian Senators Call for Cheney Impeachment
Aug. 1, 2007 (EIRNS)-
The Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee
(LPAC) issued the following release today.
Fourteen members of the Italian Senate have signed a call "to the
Members of Congress to support Rep. Kucinich's House Resolution 333
for the Impeachment of Dick Cheney."
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07080...tors_call.html

do us a flavor, Bradley-san.

don't come back to out-semite us,
til you've crawled out of your God-am chairsuit and
found Venus in the actual sky;
you might have to enlist help from the neighbors, but
don't ask for papers about their Semitism,
at first.

you can find it!

thus:
is it true, that only LaRouchiacs know that
Leo Szilard was the foundational model for Dr. Strangleove?
if you don't believe that,
watch a few episodes of Sagan's PBS biopic,
"The Weaponeers" -- except that
Szilard was his mentor, so!...
of course, there were probably compositional elements
of Sir Henry of Kiss.Ass., Macnamara, Chomsky et al
ad vomitorium from the Ayn RAND Corp.

thus quoth:
Only fragments of these remarks have been reported in the West, while
in Russia RIA Novosti gave its readers a headline
("Clinton supports placement of BMD in Poland and the Czech
Republic")
that was directly opposite to what President Clinton said.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/34..._at_yalta.html

--n~nerfman~n!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07073...each_dick.html
14 Italian Senators Call for Cheney Impeachment
Aug. 1, 2007 (EIRNS)-
The Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee
(LPAC) issued the following release today.
Fourteen members of the Italian Senate have signed a call "to the
Members of Congress to support Rep. Kucinich's House Resolution 333
for the Impeachment of Dick Cheney."
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2007/07080...tors_call.html

Hmmmm, still no interactive 3D orbital simulator. Gee whiz, what a
surprise (must be another silly Jewish thing).
- Brad Guth