No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?


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On Jul 3, 12:43 am, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?

So...basically you want us to provide actual physics to support your
pre-conceived notions about stars?

You **** all over this newsgroup and its' participants until you need
something. I know the answers to your questions but I will not provide
them because you are a huge prick.


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On 3 Jul, 09:43, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter at least has a product to sell.

There's a decent explanation of tidal impacts on the "bad astronomy"
website. The tidal effects on atmosphere are the same as they are on
water and the substance of the planet itself but will be more
pronounced (we have two tidal bulges of the rock that makes us the
surface of the earth which rise and fall to about 30cm, that run
slightly in front of the water tides). It covers most aspects of tides
such as the bulges, slowing of rotation, locking of planet faces
towards (e.g. side of moon shown to earth) etc. As for turbulence,
that's going to be a whole new strand of science - research on Jupiter
would seem like a good start.

On Jul 3, 4:43 pm, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter at least has a product to sell.


"Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
No funny remarks please...

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the
latter at least has a product to sell.

"Henri Wilson" makes a good point when he suggests:

"The difference between a General Relativity Guru
and a used car salesman is that the latter at least has a product to
sell."

Of course there are other differences:

Used car salesmen, like Rabbis, Preachers and Priests,
operate in the free market, and

the government does not give used car salesmen
billions of dollars to create a used car religion,
that links used cars to time travel, warping through space,
and the beginning and end of the universe.

And although you can't time travel,
nor warp through space in a used car,
you can usually move through space with one.

But speaking of Rabbis, Preachers, and Priests,
they, like General Relativity Guru's,
give man the hope that he can overcome time, space,
and death, and go where no man has gone before.

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HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote in
:

No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit
around a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's
rotation (if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase
relationship with the orbit?


Henri,

The center of the planet travels at the correct velocity to orbit the star.

Parts of the planet travel too slow to maintain their orbit. These want to
fall into the star and would, were it not for the gravity of the planet
holding them in place.

Parts of the planet travel too fast for the orbit. These want to escape
into interstellar space and would, were it nof for the gravity of the
planet holding them in place.

Remember that objects closer to the star orbit faster.

The side that bulges toward the star is the side that is traveling too slow
to stay in orbit.

The isde that bulges away from the star is the side that is traveling too
fast to stay in the current orbit.

Whether or not the planet rotates with will be of little importance.

Let us imagine a planet that is totally liquid all the way to the core.
Your question is answered.

Now, imagine the planet is in an orbit such that the forces keeping it
together are insuffient.

The 'banana shaped' planet will fly split in the center, making a 'banana
split'.

Enjoy.




--
bz

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infinite set.

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"bz" wrote in message
98.139...
: HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote in
: :
:
: No funny remarks please...
:
: Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.
:
: Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit
: around a star.
:
: I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
: atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's
: rotation (if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase
: relationship with the orbit?
:
:
: Henri,
:
: The center of the planet travels at the correct velocity to orbit the
star.
:
: Parts of the planet travel too slow to maintain their orbit. These want to
: fall into the star and would, were it not for the gravity of the planet
: holding them in place.


No they wouldn't, they'd find a lower orbit. Since the velocity they
have matches the velocity of the centre of the planet to begin with the
orbit they'd find would be that of the centre. If they overshot then
they'd have too much velocity and return to the centre.


: Parts of the planet travel too fast for the orbit. These want to escape
: into interstellar space and would, were it nof for the gravity of the
: planet holding them in place.

No they wouldn't, they'd find a higher orbit. Since the velocity they
have exactly matches the velocity of the centre of the planet the
orbit they'd find would be that of the centre.


: Whether or not the planet rotates with will be of little importance.

Yes it is important, the Moon keeps one face to the Earth.
The far side is travelling faster than the near side because it has further
to go in the same period.

You'd do better to consider a dumbbell model of two point masses
rigidly connected, say the Moon and a shuttle orbiter with a rod
between them. The Moon takes a month to complete an orbit,
the free shuttle takes 90 minutes. Connect the two rigidly and
the result is the shuttle is "hanging" from the Moon since it has
insufficient velocity to orbit, taking a month. Now shorten the rod
and make the masses equal.

Henri Wilson wrote:

No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?

A tide is a quadrupole distortion re the Roche limit - slimmed in the
middle and elongated normal to that vs. the unperturbed system.
You'll get the textbook answer and the observed result: Quadrupole
distortion with phase lag caused by viscosity. Frictional energy
dissipation will eventually lead to orbital locking with orbit radius
increase.

--
Uncle Al
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On Jul 3, 4:14 am, Tom Potter wrote:

[snip whining]

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf

Go away.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:51:43 -0700, Matt wrote:

On 3 Jul, 09:43, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship with
the orbit?

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter at least has a product to sell.

There's a decent explanation of tidal impacts on the "bad astronomy"
website. The tidal effects on atmosphere are the same as they are on
water and the substance of the planet itself but will be more
pronounced (we have two tidal bulges of the rock that makes us the
surface of the earth which rise and fall to about 30cm, that run
slightly in front of the water tides). It covers most aspects of tides
such as the bulges, slowing of rotation, locking of planet faces
towards (e.g. side of moon shown to earth) etc. As for turbulence,
that's going to be a whole new strand of science - research on Jupiter
would seem like a good start.

Yes. thanks.



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Why did you post this to a relativity newsgroup?


"Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
No funny remarks please...

Here is a serious physics question...for genuine physicists only.

Consider a perfectly smooth planet with a very thick atmosphere in orbit
around
a star.

I want to know what is the nature and behavior of the tides in its
atmosphere...for instance, how many bulges....how does the planet's
rotation
(if any) affect the outcome....turbulence...what is the phase relationship
with
the orbit?