![]() |
| If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|||||||
| Tags: religious, worship |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
|
The religious worship of SR.
When one finds a good way to live, to exercise faith in the living of this good life can be correct and desirable. But faith in a scientific theory is not allowed. In science, support for any theory must be based upon the results of measurements made of all possible tests that the trained mind can consider. If there is one failure, it is promptly noted as a weakness, and more testing and wider investigation is instantly began. SR is a perfect example why faith cannot be allowed in science. In SR, if any test indicates any problem, the SR experts do not see it as a weakness. They see it as being something to be removed even if you have to change the meaning of words. Let us look at just a few examples of these inappropriate acts. In SR, there is a principle that velocity is relative. It is used to accept the fact that if A is moving away from B with velocity v, then B is moving away from A with velocity of v. But in SR, it is much more than just this equality in a measured magnitude. It is an acceptance of the fact that one velocity is the exact equal of the other in all ways, not just in this equality of the magnitude v. This is a mindless belief, in that it is not even really necessary. And no one can really accept such a thing in science, since to say (or believe) ***in all ways*** is impossible to first of all consider in your mind, and impossible to fully test. Well, the paradox of the twins shows that not all relative velocity is equal. Even though twin A has the identical relative velocity as twin B, and twin B has the identical relative velocity as twin A, they do end up being different. Thus, the effects of the relative velocity in this problem does not end up being equal in all ways. And thus this blind belief in relative velocity being equal in all ways is false and cannot be supported by any scientific reasoning. But when you worship, what do you do? Why you do what SR experts do! You ignore it. You recognize that it exists, but you give it a name. You call it a break in symmetry. So now it is official. We can keep this break in symmetry, and because we have named it, then SR remains good and strong. But who can accept a theory that has a break in its symmetry? Only someone who worships the theory! And this is what has happened. Today, in SR, there can be many breaks in symmetry, and no one cares. Why do they not care? Maybe because the math works! In the case of SR, the math, being an absolute reference frame math, the real differences between absolute velocities and relative velocities is present, and accounts for these breaks. In the paradox of the twins, any twin who follows a straight line in space has a shorter absolute path than a twin who does not follow a straight line, and thus one must have had less absolute speed than the other. But a theory is more than just math. It is the principles upon which the math is based. And the principles of SR, in terms of the paradox of the twins, are broken, and cannot be repaired. SR is a destroyed belief. It is no longer an acceptable scientific theory. Its principle of symmetry has been fully and completely broken, no matter how perfect the math might be. Let us repeat this at least one more time: If the math of SR itself confirms that there is a break in symmetry, then that is in itself direct proof that the principles upon which SR was formulated by Einstein were in error. This fact cannot be escaped. What this means is that there must be other ways of deriving the same math, without using the same assumptions of Einstein. Let us look at another example: The mass of a photon. Yes a photon does have mass. For many years we all talked about the mass of a photon. But today, in SR, they went to a specific effort to change the definition of the word mass so that no one today can say that a photon has mass. So SR again can remain correct in the eyes of the experts. Such an act shows the desperation that SR experts have in making sure that SR is perfect. They will even change the very meaning of words to fit the theory, rather than admit that there might be a weakness to some of the principles being used. Please note that before they changed the definition of this word, they had every ability to talk about rest mass, as a mass, and kinetic energy mass as a mass, or just talked about mass in general. There was no reason at all to change anything. But they did. And the only reason to change it was due to worship. But guess what, all you SR experts: We today can still measure the mass of a photon. And guess what, the value of the mass of a photon is exactly the same as it has always been. Exactly the same! No matter how you change the definition of words, they cannot affect the results of measurements. And now, let us consider the words of relative velocity itself. Today, no SR expert will allow the normal meaning of these words. No one can say that the light that goes by any frame is ever anything but c. So by definition, relative velocity of light only means c. So now when anyone says relative velocity, and it is not c, then it is not relative velocity. Isn't that great! Yes, the measured velocity of the approach of light to a frame might be only one-half c, and the measured departing velocity of light from this same frame might be only one-half c. And thus, the actual measured velocity of light passing this frame certainly was measured to be only one-half c. But you are not allowed to say it. No! We cannot allow SR to be wrong. We are not allowed to say that what was measured was the relative velocity of light going past the frame. Relative velocity is only allowed to be those measurements where the value that is measured is to be c. Isn't that great! The value of the measurement is what now determines the name of the measurement! But no matter how any definitions might change, the actual measured velocity of light going past all frames is not c, except when you are measuring this fact for your own frame. Even in Einstein's train example, the speed of light going past the train, when measured by the ones in the track frame, will be c-v, and c+v, exactly. It would be impossible for it to be anything else, or else the very math of SR could not be shown to be correct. As physicists, we have to know that SR math is LET math. Therefore, any measurements made in SR have to give the identical answers as required in LET. And now with all the data that has been collected, we now have SR confirming LET from start to finish. Everything that is required in LET has been directly and completely established. Those SR experts who are not willing to accept these facts are putting their entire reputations into question. We will no longer accept a theory that has a broken symmetry. We will no longer accept a theory that does not even allow the mass of a photon to be recognized even when such a mass can be measured. We will no longer accept a theory that does not allow one to say that the speed of light going passed a frame is different than c, even when such is measured by all frames for all other frames. We will no longer believe in a theory that believes in things that are physically impossible. We will no longer believe in a theory that requires a belief in a 4-D spacetime continuum even when there is no physical evidence to sustain such a belief. We accept SR math because it works. But the explanations being used by SR experts are silly, and impossible, and no longer are acceptable. Now several weaknesses of SR were mentioned up above. If even one of these things that were said were correct, then that would make SR to be an unacceptable theory. But here I believe all these things are correctly stated. And if so, there can no longer be this blind acceptance of SR, or this religious like acceptance of SR. It has come to an end. Thank you for reading. Gerald L. O'Barr Remove ... for e-mail. |
| Ads |
|
#2
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Jun 26, 4:37 pm, "Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote:
The religious worship of SR. Can we expect an equally objective and unbiased piece about the religious worship of kinetic light particles, sometime in the near future? )Sue... Gerald L. O'Barr Remove ... for e-mail. |
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Jun 26, 11:37 am, "Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote:
The religious worship of SR. You are the only one worshiping SR here. Rather than treating it as simply a theory like the rest of science does, you have promoted it to the status of a religion that is worshiped by nobody but people like you. [snip crap, unread] |
|
#4
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Jun 26, 3:37 pm, "Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote:
The religious worship of SR. When one finds a good way to live, to exercise faith in the living of this good life can be correct and desirable. But faith in a scientific theory is not allowed. In science, support for any theory must be based upon the results of measurements made of all possible tests that the trained mind can consider. If there is one failure, it is promptly noted as a weakness, and more testing and wider investigation is instantly began. SR is a perfect example why faith cannot be allowed in science. In SR, if any test indicates any problem, the SR experts do not see it as a weakness. They see it as being something to be removed even if you have to change the meaning of words. Let us look at just a few examples of these inappropriate acts. In SR, there is a principle that velocity is relative. It is used to accept the fact that if A is moving away from B with velocity v, then B is moving away from A with velocity of v. But in SR, it is much more than just this equality in a measured magnitude. It is an acceptance of the fact that one velocity is the exact equal of the other in all ways, not just in this equality of the magnitude v. This is a mindless belief, in that it is not even really necessary. And no one can really accept such a thing in science, since to say (or believe) ***in all ways*** is impossible to first of all consider in your mind, and impossible to fully test. Well, the paradox of the twins shows that not all relative velocity is equal. Even though twin A has the identical relative velocity as twin B, and twin B has the identical relative velocity as twin A, they do end up being different. Thus, the effects of the relative velocity in this problem does not end up being equal in all ways. And thus this blind belief in relative velocity being equal in all ways is false and cannot be supported by any scientific reasoning. But when you worship, what do you do? Why you do what SR experts do! You ignore it. You recognize that it exists, but you give it a name. You call it a break in symmetry. So now it is official. We can keep this break in symmetry, and because we have named it, then SR remains good and strong. But who can accept a theory that has a break in its symmetry? Only someone who worships the theory! And this is what has happened. Today, in SR, there can be many breaks in symmetry, and no one cares. Why do they not care? Maybe because the math works! In the case of SR, the math, being an absolute reference frame math, the real differences between absolute velocities and relative velocities is present, and accounts for these breaks. In the paradox of the twins, any twin who follows a straight line in space has a shorter absolute path than a twin who does not follow a straight line, and thus one must have had less absolute speed than the other. But a theory is more than just math. It is the principles upon which the math is based. And the principles of SR, in terms of the paradox of the twins, are broken, and cannot be repaired. SR is a destroyed belief. It is no longer an acceptable scientific theory. Its principle of symmetry has been fully and completely broken, no matter how perfect the math might be. Let us repeat this at least one more time: If the math of SR itself confirms that there is a break in symmetry, then that is in itself direct proof that the principles upon which SR was formulated by Einstein were in error. This fact cannot be escaped. What this means is that there must be other ways of deriving the same math, without using the same assumptions of Einstein. Let us look at another example: The mass of a photon. Yes a photon does have mass. For many years we all talked about the mass of a photon. But today, in SR, they went to a specific effort to change the definition of the word mass so that no one today can say that a photon has mass. So SR again can remain correct in the eyes of the experts. Such an act shows the desperation that SR experts have in making sure that SR is perfect. They will even change the very meaning of words to fit the theory, rather than admit that there might be a weakness to some of the principles being used. Please note that before they changed the definition of this word, they had every ability to talk about rest mass, as a mass, and kinetic energy mass as a mass, or just talked about mass in general. There was no reason at all to change anything. But they did. And the only reason to change it was due to worship. But guess what, all you SR experts: We today can still measure the mass of a photon. And guess what, the value of the mass of a photon is exactly the same as it has always been. Exactly the same! No matter how you change the definition of words, they cannot affect the results of measurements. And now, let us consider the words of relative velocity itself. Today, no SR expert will allow the normal meaning of these words. No one can say that the light that goes by any frame is ever anything but c. So by definition, relative velocity of light only means c. So now when anyone says relative velocity, and it is not c, then it is not relative velocity. Isn't that great! Yes, the measured velocity of the approach of light to a frame might be only one-half c, and the measured departing velocity of light from this same frame might be only one-half c. And thus, the actual measured velocity of light passing this frame certainly was measured to be only one-half c. But you are not allowed to say it. No! We cannot allow SR to be wrong. We are not allowed to say that what was measured was the relative velocity of light going past the frame. Relative velocity is only allowed to be those measurements where the value that is measured is to be c. Isn't that great! The value of the measurement is what now determines the name of the measurement! But no matter how any definitions might change, the actual measured velocity of light going past all frames is not c, except when you are measuring this fact for your own frame. Even in Einstein's train example, the speed of light going past the train, when measured by the ones in the track frame, will be c-v, and c+v, exactly. It would be impossible for it to be anything else, or else the very math of SR could not be shown to be correct. As physicists, we have to know that SR math is LET math. Therefore, any measurements made in SR have to give the identical answers as required in LET. And now with all the data that has been collected, we now have SR confirming LET from start to finish. Everything that is required in LET has been directly and completely established. Those SR experts who are not willing to accept these facts are putting their entire reputations into question. We will no longer accept a theory that has a broken symmetry. We will no longer accept a theory that does not even allow the mass of a photon to be recognized even when such a mass can be measured. We will no longer accept a theory that does not allow one to say that the speed of light going passed a frame is different than c, even when such is measured by all frames for all other frames. We will no longer believe in a theory that believes in things that are physically impossible. We will no longer believe in a theory that requires a belief in a 4-D spacetime continuum even when there is no physical evidence to sustain such a belief. We accept SR math because it works. But the explanations being used by SR experts are silly, and impossible, and no longer are acceptable. Now several weaknesses of SR were mentioned up above. If even one of these things that were said were correct, then that would make SR to be an unacceptable theory. But here I believe all these things are correctly stated. And if so, there can no longer be this blind acceptance of SR, or this religious like acceptance of SR. It has come to an end. Thank you for reading. Gerald L. O'Barr Remove ... for e-mail. So you're saying that Euclidean geometry is silly and a religion? |
|
#5
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Jun 26, 12:37 pm, "Gerald L. O'Barr"
[] why do you feel the need to foam at the mouth ? |
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Jun 26, 3:37 pm, "Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote:
The religious worship of SR. When one finds a good way to live, to exercise faith in the living of this good life can be correct and desirable. But faith in a scientific theory is not allowed. In science, support for any theory must be based upon the results of measurements made of all possible tests that the trained mind can consider. If there is one failure, it is promptly noted as a weakness, and more testing and wider investigation is instantly began. You've convinced me! Hallelujah! I see the light! I will throw down the false gods and worship your god! I believe!!! SR is a perfect example why faith cannot be allowed in science. In SR, if any test indicates any problem, the SR experts do not see it as a weakness. They see it as being something to be removed even if you have to change the meaning of words. Let us look at just a few examples of these inappropriate acts. In SR, there is a principle that velocity is relative. It is used to accept the fact that if A is moving away from B with velocity v, then B is moving away from A with velocity of v. Hahahaha! That's really silly! Wait... what do we believe in our religion, Brogher Gerald? But in SR, it is much more than just this equality in a measured magnitude. It is an acceptance of the fact that one velocity is the exact equal of the other in all ways, not just in this equality of the magnitude v. This is a mindless belief, in that it is not even really necessary. Those fools! To think that 10 m/sec to the left is indistinguishable from 10 m/sec to the right, where we know that... er... what, exactly? And no one can really accept such a thing in science, since to say (or believe) ***in all ways*** is impossible to first of all consider in your mind, and impossible to fully test. Well, the paradox of the twins shows that not all relative velocity is equal. Even though twin A has the identical relative velocity as twin B, and twin B has the identical relative velocity as twin A, they do end up being different. Ridiculous! Ludicrous! B-b-but Brother Gerald, I'm troubled by one thing. In the actual description of the twin "paradox", the twins that end up different ages do not have identical histories. I've never heard the parable the way you describe it. Why is that? Hmmm, I'm afraid the precepts of your religion are going to take some time to master. - Randy |
|
#7
|
|||
|
|||
|
"Randy Poe" wrote in message ups.com... : On Jun 26, 3:37 pm, "Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote: : The religious worship of SR. : : When one finds a good way to live, to exercise : faith in the living of this good life can be correct : and desirable. But faith in a scientific theory is : not allowed. In science, support for any theory must : be based upon the results of measurements made of all : possible tests that the trained mind can consider. : If there is one failure, it is promptly noted as a : weakness, and more testing and wider investigation is : instantly began. : : You've convinced me! Hallelujah! I see the light! I : will throw down the false gods and worship your god! : I believe!!! : Egads... Now you'll have to quit Einstein's synagogue and worship aether instead. : SR is a perfect example why faith cannot be : allowed in science. In SR, if any test indicates any : problem, the SR experts do not see it as a weakness. : They see it as being something to be removed even if : you have to change the meaning of words. Let us look : at just a few examples of these inappropriate acts. : In SR, there is a principle that velocity is : relative. It is used to accept the fact that if A is : moving away from B with velocity v, then B is moving : away from A with velocity of v. : : Hahahaha! That's really silly! : : Wait... what do we believe in our religion, Brogher : Gerald? : : But in SR, it is : much more than just this equality in a measured : magnitude. It is an acceptance of the fact that one : velocity is the exact equal of the other in all ways, : not just in this equality of the magnitude v. This : is a mindless belief, in that it is not even really : necessary. : : Those fools! To think that 10 m/sec to the left : is indistinguishable from 10 m/sec to the right, : where we know that... er... what, exactly? : : : And no one can really accept such a thing : in science, since to say (or believe) ***in all : ways*** is impossible to first of all consider in : your mind, and impossible to fully test. : Well, the paradox of the twins shows that not all : relative velocity is equal. Even though twin A has : the identical relative velocity as twin B, and twin B : has the identical relative velocity as twin A, they : do end up being different. : : Ridiculous! Ludicrous! : : B-b-but Brother Gerald, I'm troubled by one thing. : In the actual description of the twin "paradox", : the twins that end up different ages do not have : identical histories. I've never heard the parable : the way you describe it. Why is that? : : Hmmm, I'm afraid the precepts of your religion are : going to take some time to master. : : - Randy |
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
|
"Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote in message oups.com... The religious worship of SR. [...] But who can accept a theory that has a break in its symmetry? Only someone who worships the theory! And this is what has happened. Today, in SR, there can be many breaks in symmetry, and no one cares. Why do they not care? Maybe because the math works! In the case of SR, the math, being an absolute reference frame math, the real differences between absolute velocities and relative velocities is present, and accounts for these breaks. In the paradox of the twins, any twin who follows a straight line in space has a shorter absolute path than a twin who does not follow a straight line, and thus one must have had less absolute speed than the other. But a theory is more than just math. It is the principles upon which the math is based. And the principles of SR, in terms of the paradox of the twins, are broken, and cannot be repaired. SR is a destroyed belief. It is no longer an acceptable scientific theory. Its principle of symmetry has been fully and completely broken, no matter how perfect the math might be. Let us repeat this at least one more time: If the math of SR itself confirms that there is a break in symmetry, then that is in itself direct proof that the principles upon which SR was formulated by Einstein were in error. This fact cannot be escaped. Oh yes it can - it's not a fact at all! What this means is that there must be other ways of deriving the same math, without using the same assumptions of Einstein. "His" assumptions had already been presented by Lorentz and Poincare, and there is nothing wrong with them IF they are read as operational assumptions of experimental physics (and that was exactly the expressed intention)! Here they are once more, condensed to the essentials ( http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ ). In agreement with experience: - The same laws of electrodynamics and optics are valid for all inertial frames of reference. - Light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body: the velocity of light in empty space c = 2AB/(t'A-tA). I find his presentation better than that of many later textbooks authors. Any serious objection? Regards, Harald |
|
#9
|
|||
|
|||
|
Subject: The religious worship of SR.
harry wrote: Gerald L. O'Barr wrote: The religious worship of SR. [...] Gerald L. O'Barr wrote: But who can accept a theory that has a break in its symmetry? Only someone who worships the theory! And this is what has happened. Today, in SR, there can be many breaks in symmetry, and no one cares. Why do they not care? Maybe because the math works! In the case of SR, the math, being an absolute reference frame math, And let me clarify this, SR uses Lorentz transforms, which are an absolute reference frame math! the real differences between absolute velocities and relative velocities is present, and accounts for these breaks. In the paradox of the twins, any twin who follows a straight line in space has a shorter absolute path than a twin who does not follow a straight line, and thus one must have had less absolute speed than the other. But a theory is more than just math. It is the principles upon which the math is based. And the principles of SR, in terms of the paradox of the twins, are broken, and cannot be repaired. SR is a destroyed belief. It is no longer an acceptable scientific theory. Its principle of symmetry has been fully and completely broken, no matter how perfect the math might be. Let us repeat this at least one more time: If the math of SR itself confirms that there is a break in symmetry, then that is in itself direct proof that the principles upon which SR was formulated by Einstein were in error. This fact cannot be escaped. harry wrote: Oh yes it can - it's not a fact at all! O'Barr comments: What is not a fact? Why did you not speak in a full statement? It is a fact that there is a break in SR symmetry. And the math has been checked to show that the break in symmetry is supported by the math. Twins who have to physically have identical relative velocity at all times, have differences in their ages, QED! Thus, the assumptions made in the deriving of SR math, that velocity is relative, is in error. What in these statements is not a fact? There are places and times where velocity is relative. But there are other times and places where velocities are not relative. You better be able to learn to live with this, since this is our reality! O'Barr wrote: What this means is that there must be other ways of deriving the same math, without using the same assumptions of Einstein. harry wrote: "His" assumptions had already been presented by Lorentz and Poincare, and there is nothing wrong with them IF they are read as operational assumptions of experimental physics (and that was exactly the expressed intention)! Here they are once more, condensed to the essentials http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ In agreement with experience: - The same laws of electrodynamics and optics are valid for all inertial frames of reference. - Light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body: the velocity of light in empty space c = 2AB/(t'A-tA). I find his presentation better than that of many later textbooks authors. Any serious objection? O'Barr comments: Thank you Harald. It is hard to argue with Einstein, isn't it? And your reference to his 1905 presentation was most appreciated. No one could have done what he did back in 1905. The necessity of arguing with Einstein is not because he did anything so much that was wrong, but it is how the SR experts want to re-shape it. Let me take you own words: When it is said: - Light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body ... This is a statement about our absolute reality. And this, as an absolute statement, is correct. When it is said: the velocity of light in empty space c = 2AB/(t'A-tA). (I would say c = 2AB/(tA2 - ta1)) This is an absolute fact in the absolute frame. But here it is going to be used as a measurement fact in all frames. Thus: This is a measurement fact. If Einstein made any mistake, it was in this failure to keep separate the differences between what were absolute facts from what were measurement facts. As I have said so many times, since the MMX, we now know that what we measure (being with changeable tools) has to be different than what reality is actually doing. When you use an LET approach, the separations between those facts that are absolute from those facts that are associated with measurements are very clearly and exactingly pointed out. And thus, LET is a superiorly stated theory, and accomplishes the exact same things, but does so in a way that there are never any broken symmetries, nor any misunderstanding of what the physical base is in accomplishing all the things that are observed and measured. Is there anything I have said that you cannot understand and agree upon? Thanks for reading, and thanks again for your reference to Einstein. Gerald L. O'Barr |
|
#10
|
|||
|
|||
|
"Gerald L. O'Barr" wrote in message
oups.com... Subject: The religious worship of SR. And let me clarify this, SR uses Lorentz transforms, which are an absolute reference frame math! No.. they are a transform between any two frames. They do not require or imly an absolute reference frame It is a fact that there is a break in SR symmetry. There is no break in symmetry in Sr .. you do symmetric things, you get symmetric results. The same as youmeasure in LET (although in LET reality is NOT symmetric) There are places and times where velocity is relative. But there are other times and places where velocities are not relative. No .. you are clearly mistaken in your understanding of SR nad LET. Let me take you own words: When it is said: - Light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body ... This is a statement about our absolute reality. You're playing wordgames here .. Einstein did not say "absolute" And this, as an absolute statement, is correct. In that in every iFoR light travels at c When it is said: the velocity of light in empty space c = 2AB/(t'A-tA). (I would say c = 2AB/(tA2 - ta1)) Then you'd be wrong This is an absolute fact in the absolute frame. But here it is going to be used as a measurement fact in all frames. Thus: This is a measurement fact. What absolute frame .. there's never been one found. You're corrupting wht Einstein said by adding your own words. Decietful. If Einstein made any mistake, it was in this failure to keep separate the differences between what were absolute facts from what were measurement facts. No . that is YOUR problem. you keep thinking the assumption of LET are known and accepted facts. They are not. As I have said so many times, since the MMX, we now know that what we measure (being with changeable tools) has to be different than what reality is actually doing. No .. we don't When you use an LET approach, the separations between those facts that are absolute from those facts that are associated with measurements are very clearly and exactingly pointed out. But that doesn't make it correct And thus, LET is a superiorly stated theory, No .. if it were superior, we'd all be using it. and accomplishes the exact same things, but does so in a way that there are never any broken symmetries, It has the same math, and if there are broken symmetries in SR, then they exist in LET. nor any misunderstanding of what the physical base is in accomplishing all the things that are observed and measured. How do you know that. I can just as validly say that SR has no misunderstandings either. Is there anything I have said that you cannot understand No and agree upon? Yes .. just about all of it |
|
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| I Propose that Religious Relativists Worship a New Axiom of General Relativity | Perfectly Innocent | Physics - General Discussion | 50 | September 22nd 03 06:45 AM |
| I Propose that Religious Relativists Worship a New Axiom of General Relativity | Perfectly Innocent | Physics - New Theories | 60 | September 22nd 03 06:45 AM |
| I Propose that Religious Relativists Worship a New Axiom of General Relativity | Perfectly Innocent | The Theory of Relativity | 30 | September 14th 03 01:51 AM |
| I Propose that Religious Relativists Worship a New Axiom of General Relativity | Perfectly Innocent | Physics - General (alternative forum) | 30 | September 14th 03 01:51 AM |
| Einstein worship DOES go on here | Richard A Randall | The Theory of Relativity | 0 | August 21st 03 10:53 PM |