a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

On Jun 24, 12:46 pm, John Smith wrote:
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

and to continue ouer discussion

if you put that small ferrous particle
into a box with no windoes, he will
feel nothen, and fall in free fall and
smash on the surface of tha magnet

On Jun 24, 12:49 pm, John Smith wrote:
On Jun 24, 12:46 pm, John Smith wrote:

a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

and to continue ouer discussion

if you put that small ferrous particle
into a box with no windoes, he will
feel nothen, and fall in free fall and
smash on the surface of tha magnet

and again, in order to see that, you need
do be a liquid ferrous material with very
low viscosity

there will be no waves and ripples in that
ferrous material when he is in freefall
against the magnet, quite empirical

"John Smith" wrote in message oups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.


and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

You can stop pretending to be tha idiot now.

Dirk Vdm

On Jun 24, 7:46 am, John Smith wrote:
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

I would take that as a quantitative absoulte but the
analogy has some merit. Einstein even refers to
acceleration induction in his Nobel lecture.

I shall turn to those problems which are
related to the development which I have
traced. Already Newton recognized that the
law of inertia is unsatisfactory
in a context so far unmentioned in this
exposition, namely that it gives no
real cause for the special physical
position of the states of motion of the
inertial frames relative to all other
states of motion. It makes the observable
material bodies responsible for the
gravitational behaviour of a material
point, yet indicates no material cause
for the inertial behaviour of the material
point but devises the cause for it
(absolute space or inertial ether). This
is not logically inadmissible although
it is unsatisfactory. For this reason
E. Mach demanded a modification of the
law of inertia in the sense that the
inertia should be interpreted as an
acceleration resistance of the bodies
against one another and not against "space".
This interpretation governs the expectation
that accelerated bodies have concordant
accelerating action in the same
sense on other bodies (acceleration induction).
This interpretation is even more
plausible according to general relativity
which eliminates the distinction between
inertial and gravitational effects.
It amounts to stipulating that, apart
from the arbitrariness governed by the
free choice of coordinates, the
gm v -field shall be completely determined
by the matter. Mach's stipulation is favoured
in general relativity by the circumstance
that acceleration induction in accordance
with the gravitational field equations really
exists, although of such slight intensity
that direct detection by mechanical experiments
is out of the question.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/p...n-lecture.html

If you treat magnetism as a dipolar induction
(one axis of symmetry) and
gravity as an isotropic induction (no axis of symmetry)
you might even find some equaions that look right.

Not to prejudice your brain-storming, but here
is some related work





http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/inddip.html
...Identifying the antipodal points after a parity reversal,
far infrared coherent modes arise in their local realm of the
Universe, to which the local oscillators intrinsically
partake, inducing gravity.
http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/Bizarre/GRAV.htm
"Tajmar de Matos"
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html

A. K. T. Assis,
Gravitation as a fourth order electromagnetic effect,
In: Advanced Electromagnetism: Foundations,
Theory and Applications,
T. W. Barrett and D. M. Grimes (eds.),
(World Scientific, Singapore, 1995), pp. 314-331.
Abstract: We present a generalized Weber's law for
electromagnetism including terms of fourth and higher
orders in 1/c. These extra terms when applied to the
force between two neutral dipoles yield an equivalent
to Newton's law of universal gravitation as a fourth
order electromagnetic effect.
http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/gra...-331(1995).pdf
http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm

Sue...

On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...





and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

You can stop pretending to be tha idiot now.

Dirk Vdm

"Sue..." wrote in message oups.com...
On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Dennis McCarty, although retarded, a retired engineer like you
should know this
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/magfor.html

Dirk Vdm

On Jun 24, 8:13 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in ooglegroups.com...
On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Dennis McCarty, although retarded, a retired engineer like you
should know this
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/magfor.html

So let's your derivation of Van der Waals and London forces
in the Lorenz gauge if think that is all space.has to offer.

http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape_ewald.htm

Sue...


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In sci.physics.relativity, Sue...

wrote
on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:10:07 -0700
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On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

This is true, but one cannot state that 1 kg of magnet will exert the
same force on a 1 kg piece of plastic 1 meter away as on a 1 kg piece of
iron.

However, the Earth exerts the same force in both cases.


Sue...





and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

You can stop pretending to be tha idiot now.

Dirk Vdm




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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, Sue...

wrote
on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:10:07 -0700
.com:
On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

This is true, but one cannot state that 1 kg of magnet will exert the
same force on a 1 kg piece of plastic 1 meter away as on a 1 kg piece of
iron.

However, the Earth exerts the same force in both cases.

yes but this was not about gravity, but curved space wrt iron



Sue...





and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

You can stop pretending to be tha idiot now.

Dirk Vdm




--
#191,
Conventional memory has to be one of the most UNconventional
architectures I've seen in a computer system.

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