On Jun 24, 2:36 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
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In sci.physics.relativity, Sue...

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On Jun 24, 7:59 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

There is a big difference.
Every object responds to the gravitational field in exactly the
same way, since the force is proportional to the mass of the
object and therefore the acceleration is independent of the
mass. That is why gravity can be modeled as curved spacetime.
This is definitely not the case with electric and magnetic forces.

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

This is true, but one cannot state that 1 kg of magnet will exert the
same force on a 1 kg piece of plastic 1 meter away as on a 1 kg piece of
iron.

I didn't say a gravitational mass would be equal to a magnetic
mass.


However, the Earth exerts the same force in both cases.

No... look at the earths magnetosphere. It is not isotropic.

I didn't say it was a good idea. But it certainly isn't
out of GR's domain.

With respect to the world line of a given observer, the
electromagnetic field tensor decomposes into two vectors,
the electric and magnetic field vectors (3 components each).
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae98.cfm

Sue...






Sue...

and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

You can stop pretending to be tha idiot now.

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"Sue..." wrote in news:1182683407.427487.226060
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Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...




You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the force of
a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical masses that have
much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little external
magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of either magnet
alone.




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On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in news:1182683407.427487.226060
@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the force of
a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical masses that have
much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little external
magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of either magnet
alone.

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On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in news:1182683407.427487.226060
@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the force of
a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical masses that have
much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little external
magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of either magnet
alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass. A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.


Sue...


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"Sue..." wrote in
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On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in
news:1182683407.427487.226060 @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the
force of a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical
masses that have much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little
external magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of
either magnet alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass.

I guess you have never magnitized something.

The magnetic force goes from zero to some specific number of gauss without
any[measurable] change in the mass of the object.

And that is after the current flow through the coil is turned off.


A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

Just increase the tuning capacitor to bring it back into resonance.


We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.

Be sure to wear sun block, that could be a real sun of a beach of a burn.



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On Jun 24, 7:46 am, John Smith wrote:
a permanent magnet curves space-time for grain
of ferrous material

there is no difference, even tha equations are tha same

It appears they might be:
At risk of getting my ankles wet:



"How does matter couple to space-time so
that space-time becomes curved?"
The Weyl tensor turns out to be analogous in many
ways to the electromagnetic field tensor, which you
can think of as an antisymmetric four by four matrix
(6 algebraically independent components at each event).
With respect to the world line of a given observer, the
electromagnetic field tensor decomposes into two vectors,
the electric and magnetic field vectors (3 components each).
--C. Hillman
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae98.cfm

The elegance of these equations [EFT]stems from the
simple replacing of partial with covariant derivatives,
a practice sometimes referred to in the parlance of GR
as 'replacing partial with covariant derivatives'. These
equations are sometimes referred to as the curved space
Maxwell equations. Again, the second equation implies
charge conservation (in curved spacetime)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_tensor



and if you put a mechanical watch close to a magnet, he
will tick slower

Like a Pound-Snider experiment except louder.
http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb...er =AD0617511

Sue...

On Jun 25, 1:11 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote roups.com:





On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in
news:1182683407.427487.226060 @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the
force of a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical
masses that have much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little
external magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of
either magnet alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass.

I guess you have never magnitized something.

I have found a few lifeguards attractive. Does that count?


The magnetic force goes from zero to some specific number of gauss without
any[measurable] change in the mass of the object.

It is nevertheless proportional to the gravitational mass of the
material.


And that is after the current flow through the coil is turned off.

No time to think about that because it is my day to change
the earth's batteries so it won't fly out of orbit. )


A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

Just increase the tuning capacitor to bring it back into resonance.

No... that won't restore the large effective EM aperture that
was the reason for using the loop-stick in the first place.

Ya think after a gazillion pocket radios, the bean counters
wouldn't have figured out how to exploit that cost and weight saving
if it were possible. --- period (we both know the answer)



We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.

Be sure to wear sun block, that could be a real sun of a beach of a burn.

Need something other than sunblock because the attraction
with the lifeguard isn't mutual. Mismatched ports I suppose.

http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/is..._image002_0000
http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/iso_cir.htm

Sue...


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"Sue..." wrote in
oups.com:

On Jun 25, 1:11 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote
roups.com:





On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in
news:1182683407.427487.226060 @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the
force of a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical
masses that have much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little
external magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of
either magnet alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass.

I guess you have never magnitized something.

I have found a few lifeguards attractive. Does that count?

Only if you take in ironing.

The magnetic force goes from zero to some specific number of gauss
without any[measurable] change in the mass of the object.

It is nevertheless proportional to the gravitational mass of the
material.

Seems more like a semi-independent voter, to me.



And that is after the current flow through the coil is turned off.

No time to think about that because it is my day to change
the earth's batteries so it won't fly out of orbit. )

Jus' call 'er dyna-moe!

A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

Just increase the tuning capacitor to bring it back into resonance.

No... that won't restore the large effective EM aperture that
was the reason for using the loop-stick in the first place.

Hollerin out the loopstick core don't reduce it's cap-sure area, long as
you keep it reso-nent/dent.

Ya think after a gazillion pocket radios, the bean counters
wouldn't have figured out how to exploit that cost and weight saving
if it were possible. --- period (we both know the answer)

They said 'that"s not my schtick'.

We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.

Be sure to wear sun block, that could be a real sun of a beach of a
burn.

Need something other than sunblock because the attraction
with the lifeguard isn't mutual. Mismatched ports I suppose.

Get a universal adapter at any Radio-Stack shore.

http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/is..._image002_0000

bad linc.

http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/iso_cir.htm



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please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

On Jun 25, 11:16 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote groups.com:





On Jun 25, 1:11 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote
roups.com:

On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in
news:1182683407.427487.226060 @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice the
force of a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of identical
masses that have much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little
external magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field of
either magnet alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass.

I guess you have never magnitized something.

I have found a few lifeguards attractive. Does that count?

Only if you take in ironing.

I ain't that ugly. )


The magnetic force goes from zero to some specific number of gauss
without any[measurable] change in the mass of the object.

It is nevertheless proportional to the gravitational mass of the
material.

Seems more like a semi-independent voter, to me.



And that is after the current flow through the coil is turned off.

No time to think about that because it is my day to change
the earth's batteries so it won't fly out of orbit. )

Jus' call 'er dyna-moe!

A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

Just increase the tuning capacitor to bring it back into resonance.

No... that won't restore the large effective EM aperture that
was the reason for using the loop-stick in the first place.

Hollerin out the loopstick core don't reduce it's cap-sure area, long as
you keep it reso-nent/dent.

If I can find my dictionary of four letter words I might choose
to dispute that. Hmmm... flux, core, path, spin. Nothin' fits

Ferrites and the space around them are real black magic. But
I am pretty sure you can't just hollow the rod out and add
capacitance. Would you expect a DC relay to have the
same pull-in current after you drilled out the core?


Ya think after a gazillion pocket radios, the bean counters
wouldn't have figured out how to exploit that cost and weight saving
if it were possible. --- period (we both know the answer)

They said 'that"s not my schtick'.

Much easier to schelp when holler.


We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.

Be sure to wear sun block, that could be a real sun of a beach of a
burn.

Need something other than sunblock because the attraction
with the lifeguard isn't mutual. Mismatched ports I suppose.

Get a universal adapter at any Radio-Stack shore.

http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/is..._image002_0000

It's tail got caught in the door. It's on the page below.

bad linc.


Black magic ferrites.
http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/iso_cir.htm

Sue...


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Obviously!?

However, pretty surely you are, but sure, you never would be, for the simple
reason, that, it is the geometry itself, that it curves everything along the
needs all along, a definitely as a matter a fact.


--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!


"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 25, 11:16 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote
groups.com:





On Jun 25, 1:11 am, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote
roups.com:

On Jun 24, 7:06 pm, bz wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in
news:1182683407.427487.226060 @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Two Kg of magnets exerts twice the force of one Kg of magenets.
Same as gravity.

Sue...

You would be better off to say "a two gauss magnet exerts twice
the
force of a one gauss magnet" as I can have two magnets of
identical
masses that have much different field strengths.

I can also combine two magnets into a system that has very little
external magnetic field or into a system that has twice the field
of
either magnet alone.

I especially want to make the point that for a given material
that you don't double the force without also doubling the
gravitational mass.

I guess you have never magnitized something.

I have found a few lifeguards attractive. Does that count?

Only if you take in ironing.

I ain't that ugly. )


The magnetic force goes from zero to some specific number of gauss
without any[measurable] change in the mass of the object.

It is nevertheless proportional to the gravitational mass of the
material.

Seems more like a semi-independent voter, to me.



And that is after the current flow through the coil is turned off.


No time to think about that because it is my day to change
the earth's batteries so it won't fly out of orbit. )

Jus' call 'er dyna-moe!

A ferrite loopstick is 0 gauss but you
can't hollow it out to lighten it without also spreading out
it flux lines and making it unsuitable for you pocket AM
radio.

Just increase the tuning capacitor to bring it back into resonance.

No... that won't restore the large effective EM aperture that
was the reason for using the loop-stick in the first place.

Hollerin out the loopstick core don't reduce it's cap-sure area, long as
you keep it reso-nent/dent.

If I can find my dictionary of four letter words I might choose
to dispute that. Hmmm... flux, core, path, spin. Nothin' fits

Ferrites and the space around them are real black magic. But
I am pretty sure you can't just hollow the rod out and add
capacitance. Would you expect a DC relay to have the
same pull-in current after you drilled out the core?


Ya think after a gazillion pocket radios, the bean counters
wouldn't have figured out how to exploit that cost and weight saving
if it were possible. --- period (we both know the answer)

They said 'that"s not my schtick'.

Much easier to schelp when holler.


We could probably post the question to
s.p.r and find out if it is a fair 2D version of GR's curvature
or concentration of energy density. Chris Hillman's article
linked in this thread, leads me to believe it is but I am not
getting out of the wading pool just to play a drowning scene.

Be sure to wear sun block, that could be a real sun of a beach of a
burn.

Need something other than sunblock because the attraction
with the lifeguard isn't mutual. Mismatched ports I suppose.

Get a universal adapter at any Radio-Stack shore.

http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/is..._image002_0000

It's tail got caught in the door. It's on the page below.

bad linc.


Black magic ferrites.
http://www.e-meca.com/tech_papers/iso_cir.htm

Sue...


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