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How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?



 
 
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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
guskz@hotmail.com
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.

http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...em_matter.html

QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
photon."

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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 23, 3:05 am, " wrote:
Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.

http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...l/index_em_mat...

QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
photon."


Where is the word accelerate found on that page?

Sue...

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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 22, 10:05 pm, " wrote:
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Why don't you stop worrying about advanced subjects and master the
basics first?

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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 23, 2:05 am, " wrote:
Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.


No, it isn't.

How many times do you plan to go around that particular
loop?

Q. An electron going to a higher shell is accelerated...
A. No it isn't.

Q. OK, but an electron going to a higher shell speeds up...
A. No it doesn't.

Q. OK, but anyway an electron going to a higher shell
is accelerated...
A. No it isn't...

Can we save time? The answer is "no it isn't", every
time you make this statement. For future reference, this
will be Guskz Statement EHSA (Electron Higher Shell Accelerated).

- Randy

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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 23, 2:05 am, " wrote:
Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.

http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...l/index_em_mat...

QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
photon."



You have at least three serious repeating misconceptions rolled
up in this one:

Electrons in atoms are in little planetary orbits.
(We'll call that Guskz Statement EAKO -- Electrons
in Atoms, Keplerian Orbits).

Planets in higher orbits have faster speeds (we'll
call that Guskz Statement OPHS -- Outer Planets
Higher Speeds).

More energy always means more speed (we'll call this
Guskz Statement AEIK -- All energy is kinetic).

The answer to all of these is "no it isn't" but
let me show you why OPHS is wrong. Here's some
orbital calculations.

A planet around a sun of mass M at distance R obeys

GM/R^2 = v^2/R

v = sqrt(GM/R)

So as R increases, v decreases. If R doubles,
v decreases by sqrt(2). A little more data for you:

Orbital speed of Mercury = 59 km/sec
Orbital speed of earth = 29.8 km/sec
Orbital speed of Mars = 24.1 km/sec
Orbital speed of Jupiter = 13.1 km/sec

- Randy

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Old June 23rd 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 23, 1:13 pm, Randy Poe wrote:
On Jun 23, 2:05 am, " wrote:

Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.


http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...l/index_em_mat...


QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
photon."


You have at least three serious repeating misconceptions rolled
up in this one:

Electrons in atoms are in little planetary orbits.
(We'll call that Guskz Statement EAKO -- Electrons
in Atoms, Keplerian Orbits).

Planets in higher orbits have faster speeds (we'll
call that Guskz Statement OPHS -- Outer Planets
Higher Speeds).

More energy always means more speed (we'll call this
Guskz Statement AEIK -- All energy is kinetic).


actually this is not his fault

tha top sciencists in their paper often confuse
and represents atom energy level increase and
decays by depicting electrons transitions to/from
difrent orbits


The answer to all of these is "no it isn't" but
let me show you why OPHS is wrong. Here's some
orbital calculations.

A planet around a sun of mass M at distance R obeys

GM/R^2 = v^2/R

v = sqrt(GM/R)

So as R increases, v decreases. If R doubles,
v decreases by sqrt(2). A little more data for you:

Orbital speed of Mercury = 59 km/sec
Orbital speed of earth = 29.8 km/sec
Orbital speed of Mars = 24.1 km/sec
Orbital speed of Jupiter = 13.1 km/sec

- Randy



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Old June 24th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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"Randy Poe" wrote in message
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: On Jun 23, 2:05 am, " wrote:
: Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
: emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.
:
: No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.




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Old June 24th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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"Randy Poe" wrote in message
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: On Jun 23, 2:05 am, " wrote:
: Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
: emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.
:
: http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...l/index_em_mat...
:
: QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
: ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
: energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
: photon."
:
:
: You have at least three serious repeating misconceptions rolled
: up in this one:

You have at least three serious repeating misconceptions wide open
to the world. The first one is "Buses take longer to stop than cars".








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Old June 24th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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On Jun 23, 2:45 am, "Sue..." wrote:
On Jun 23, 3:05 am, " wrote:

Below the conservation of enery does not include any radiation
emission, yet the electron is being accelerated.


http://resources.yesican-science.ca/...l/index_em_mat...


QUOTE: "Since energy is always conserved, the kinetic energy of the
ejected electron, its binding (orbital) energy, and the new photon
energy all add up to the quantum energy of the original incident
photon."


Where is the word accelerate found on that page?

Sue...


Now now Sue....no one likes to be pointed out making an error
(especially in this...."newsgroup" with the Eric Gisses smurking
around).

But I now if you think twice about you will see your "little"
error.......

(just in case (I also make similar mistakes)....it wouldn't be part of
the CONSERVATION equation if the velocity of the electron was not
affected)


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Old June 24th 07 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default How come an electron accelerating from an atom doesn't emit radiation?

On Jun 23, 4:44 am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jun 22, 10:05 pm, " wrote:
[...]

Why don't you stop worrying about advanced subjects and master the
basics first?


Why don't you read newsgroup posts instead of insulting everyone.
Hint: go back 4 years ago and you did not do this. You lost faith in
me, after the effort excerted over my hammer and magnet story.

When lost of faith occurs people stop listening (or reading) even to
the one above.






 




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