Sam Wormley wrote in
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley
wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is
emprically so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...e+site%3Ausers
.pandora.be

Never measured, Wormy....


What's never measured?

Henri's IQ. It's off scale low.

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:21:37 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is emprically
so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...s.pand ora.be

Never measured, Wormy....


What's never measured?

OW light speed, Wormy.



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Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:06:59 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:21:37 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is emprically
so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...s.pand ora.be
Never measured, Wormy....

What's never measured?

OW light speed, Wormy.



Historically there is a body of OWLS experiments, Henri.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...periments.html

3.2 One-Way Tests of Light-Speed Isotropy
Note that while these experiments clearly use a one-way light path
and find isotropy, they are inherently unable to rule out a large
class of theories in which the one-way speed of light is
anisotropic.These theories share the property that the round-trip
speed of light is isotropic in any inertial frame, but the one-way
speed is isotropic only in an ether frame. In all of these theories
the effects of slow clock transport exactly offset the effects of the
anisotropic one-way speed of light (in any inertial frame), and all
are experimentally indistinguishable from SR. All of these theories
predict null results for these experiments. See Test Theories above,
especially Zhang (in which these theories are called "Edwards
frames").

Cialdea, Lett. Nuovo Cimento 4 (1972), p821.
Uses two multi-mode lasers mounted on a rotating table to look for
variations in their interference pattern as the table is rotated.
Places an upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 0.9 m/s.

Krisher et al., Phys. Rev. D, 42, No. 2, pp. 731-734, (1990).
Uses two hydrogen masers fixed to the earth and separated by a 21 km
fiber-optic link to look for variations in the phase between them.
They put an upper limit on the one-way linear anisotropy of 100 m/s.

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]

All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...


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Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

On Jun 13, 5:24 pm, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:06:59 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:21:37 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is emprically
so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...site%3Ausers.p...
Never measured, Wormy....

What's never measured?

OW light speed, Wormy.

Historically there is a body of OWLS experiments, Henri.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...periments.html

3.2 One-Way Tests of Light-Speed Isotropy
Note that while these experiments clearly use a one-way light path
and find isotropy, they are inherently unable to rule out a large
class of theories in which the one-way speed of light is
anisotropic.These theories share the property that the round-trip
speed of light is isotropic in any inertial frame, but the one-way
speed is isotropic only in an ether frame. In all of these theories
the effects of slow clock transport exactly offset the effects of the
anisotropic one-way speed of light (in any inertial frame), and all
are experimentally indistinguishable from SR. All of these theories
predict null results for these experiments. See Test Theories above,
especially Zhang (in which these theories are called "Edwards
frames").

Cialdea, Lett. Nuovo Cimento 4 (1972), p821.
Uses two multi-mode lasers mounted on a rotating table to look for
variations in their interference pattern as the table is rotated.
Places an upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 0.9 m/s.

Krisher et al., Phys. Rev. D, 42, No. 2, pp. 731-734, (1990).
Uses two hydrogen masers fixed to the earth and separated by a 21 km
fiber-optic link to look for variations in the phase between them.
They put an upper limit on the one-way linear anisotropy of 100 m/s.

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]

All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

Well you are good company, nutcase.Hey atheists, this one's yours!

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:33:19 -0000, 77ogrA wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:24 pm, HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:06:59 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:21:37 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is emprically
so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...site%3Ausers.p...
Never measured, Wormy....

What's never measured?

OW light speed, Wormy.

Historically there is a body of OWLS experiments, Henri.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...periments.html

3.2 One-Way Tests of Light-Speed Isotropy
Note that while these experiments clearly use a one-way light path
and find isotropy, they are inherently unable to rule out a large
class of theories in which the one-way speed of light is
anisotropic.These theories share the property that the round-trip
speed of light is isotropic in any inertial frame, but the one-way
speed is isotropic only in an ether frame. In all of these theories
the effects of slow clock transport exactly offset the effects of the
anisotropic one-way speed of light (in any inertial frame), and all
are experimentally indistinguishable from SR. All of these theories
predict null results for these experiments. See Test Theories above,
especially Zhang (in which these theories are called "Edwards
frames").

Cialdea, Lett. Nuovo Cimento 4 (1972), p821.
Uses two multi-mode lasers mounted on a rotating table to look for
variations in their interference pattern as the table is rotated.
Places an upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 0.9 m/s.

Krisher et al., Phys. Rev. D, 42, No. 2, pp. 731-734, (1990).
Uses two hydrogen masers fixed to the earth and separated by a 21 km
fiber-optic link to look for variations in the phase between them.
They put an upper limit on the one-way linear anisotropy of 100 m/s.

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]

All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

Well you are good company, nutcase.Hey atheists, this one's yours!

....**** off



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Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley

wrote
on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT
kp%bi.162411$_c5.89079@attbi_s22:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:06:59 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:21:37 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:44:03 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

Speed wrt what Draper?

The speed of light is c wrt all inertial observers, Henri! It is emprically
so. Boy, you sure have a lot of Fumbles Henri!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Henri...s.pand ora.be
Never measured, Wormy....

What's never measured?
OW light speed, Wormy.


Historically there is a body of OWLS experiments, Henri.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...periments.html

3.2 One-Way Tests of Light-Speed Isotropy
Note that while these experiments clearly use a one-way light path
and find isotropy, they are inherently unable to rule out a large
class of theories in which the one-way speed of light is
anisotropic.These theories share the property that the round-trip
speed of light is isotropic in any inertial frame, but the one-way
speed is isotropic only in an ether frame. In all of these theories
the effects of slow clock transport exactly offset the effects of the
anisotropic one-way speed of light (in any inertial frame), and all
are experimentally indistinguishable from SR. All of these theories
predict null results for these experiments. See Test Theories above,
especially Zhang (in which these theories are called "Edwards
frames").

Cialdea, Lett. Nuovo Cimento 4 (1972), p821.
Uses two multi-mode lasers mounted on a rotating table to look for
variations in their interference pattern as the table is rotated.
Places an upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 0.9 m/s.

Krisher et al., Phys. Rev. D, 42, No. 2, pp. 731-734, (1990).
Uses two hydrogen masers fixed to the earth and separated by a 21 km
fiber-optic link to look for variations in the phase between them.
They put an upper limit on the one-way linear anisotropy of 100 m/s.

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]

All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...


Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of evidence!


I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.

So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
suit who can float in the air. ;-)

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley

wrote
on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT


Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]

All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...


Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of evidence!


I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.

So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
suit who can float in the air. ;-)


Ghost, relativists are not the only group that recognizes only that which
supports its belief system and rejects that which refutes it.
There are about 4000 fanatical religious sects around the world that do exactly
the same..


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Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:53:18 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley

wrote
on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]
All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...

Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of evidence!

I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.

So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
suit who can float in the air. ;-)


Ghost, relativists are not the only group that recognizes only that which
supports its belief system and rejects that which refutes it.
There are about 4000 fanatical religious sects around the world that do exactly
the same..


www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

Trouble is that Henri cannot cite even one example of an observation that
contradicts a prediction of relativity.

No 'prediction' of relativity has been directly tested.



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In sci.physics.relativity, HW@....(Henri Wilson)
HW@
wrote
on Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:41:32 GMT
:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:53:18 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley

wrote
on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT

Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.

Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).

Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to place an
upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in 10^8]
All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
None is believable...

Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of evidence!

I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.

So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
suit who can float in the air. ;-)


Ghost, relativists are not the only group that recognizes only that which
supports its belief system and rejects that which refutes it.
There are about 4000 fanatical religious sects around the world that do exactly
the same..


www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin mother.

Trouble is that Henri cannot cite even one example of an observation that
contradicts a prediction of relativity.

No 'prediction' of relativity has been directly tested.


OK, dumb question. How would you test a prediction of relativity?
Include experimental method and expected results.



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: In sci.physics.relativity, HW@....(Henri Wilson)
: HW@
: wrote
: on Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:41:32 GMT
: :
: On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:53:18 GMT, Sam Wormley
wrote:
:
: Henri Wilson wrote:
: On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine
: wrote:
:
: In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley
:
: wrote
: on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT
:
: Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.
:
: Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583 (1965).
:
: Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
: Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to
place an
: upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part in
10^8]
: All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
: None is believable...
:
: Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of
evidence!
:
: I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
: presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
: that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
: evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.
:
: So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
: difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
: a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
: suit who can float in the air. ;-)
:
:
: Ghost, relativists are not the only group that recognizes only that
which
: supports its belief system and rejects that which refutes it.
: There are about 4000 fanatical religious sects around the world that
do exactly
: the same..
:
:
: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
:
: Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's virgin
mother.
:
: Trouble is that Henri cannot cite even one example of an observation
that
: contradicts a prediction of relativity.
:
: No 'prediction' of relativity has been directly tested.
:
:
: OK, dumb question. How would you test a prediction of relativity?

Ok, Easy answer.
Ask Cassini the time.


: Include experimental method and expected results.

Send signal to Cassini, request time stamp of return signal.
Expected result according to relativity,
time stamp = (time received - time of request)/2 + time of request.

Test complete, relativity fails. Done.

You are correct, your question was dumb.