Ok, I have called time a model among other things. But perhaps this
definition is a little loose for those who do not understand that
everything human made is a model. I understand that this can be
difficult for some people. In becoming a designer, I realized that
everything I ever made was a design. Whether it was a paragraph or a
mathematical model. Whether it was a painting, a sculpture or an
automobile or whatever, all these things are models.

I also realized all the designs that other people had made around me
and I could also differentiate between those things that weren't made
by men, even though sometimes this reality tends to slip away
depending on the places we are in. Imagine a world where everything
around you is designed by people.

Has anyone here ever heard of the panopticon ? This is like
architectural design 101.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

Some of us already live in this world. Imagine as a child you were
told that the trees were made by men, that the grass was also made by
us and that the entire world was made by us. It would be a comfortable
reality. Ignorant but comfortable. We are fortunate to exist in a
generation of people who do know the difference and can do something
about it.

So, I will appeal to the common sense of people here once again. Time
is a tool; It is designed, It is not a condition of space. I can think
of some other words that explain what time is.

a representation. a machine. a model.

Why be open to suggestive states when the truth about everything is
staring at you so plainly and simply? Can you see the beauty in it as
I do ? Why waste life bending minds around models ?

All the best to all.

over n out.

-y

On Jun 1, 9:03 am, Y wrote:
Ok, I have called time a model among other things. But perhaps this
definition is a little loose for those who do not understand that
everything human made is a model. I understand that this can be
difficult for some people. In becoming a designer, I realized that
everything I ever made was a design. Whether it was a paragraph or a
mathematical model. Whether it was a painting, a sculpture or an
automobile or whatever, all these things are models.

I also realized all the designs that other people had made around me
and I could also differentiate between those things that weren't made
by men, even though sometimes this reality tends to slip away
depending on the places we are in. Imagine a world where everything
around you is designed by people.

Has anyone here ever heard of the panopticon ? This is like
architectural design 101.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

Some of us already live in this world. Imagine as a child you were
told that the trees were made by men, that the grass was also made by
us and that the entire world was made by us. It would be a comfortable
reality. Ignorant but comfortable. We are fortunate to exist in a
generation of people who do know the difference and can do something
about it.

So, I will appeal to the common sense of people here once again. Time
is a tool; It is designed, It is not a condition of space. I can think
of some other words that explain what time is.

a representation. a machine. a model.

Why be open to suggestive states when the truth about everything is
staring at you so plainly and simply? Can you see the beauty in it as
I do ? Why waste life bending minds around models ?

All the best to all.

over n out.

-y

What physically measurable quantity is altered
if an automobile dirver allows more *time* for a
commute to and from his workplace ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

Sue...

Well I can only think of one quantity, done with the appropriate
model. Distance.

If you had a model of the earth in rotation as it does around the sun
you would see that the longer the 'time' taken would result in a
longer distance. The diagram of it would look something like a
spaghetti in 3d. But you could ascertain the distance easily using
software. It would be fun to do right ? A different kind of graph than
what you are used to.

1. you need one model of the solar system. (constant rate of motion)
(you can use your time tool btw)
2. you need two models of the cars motion on the planet. a)a faster
time and b)a slower time.

For each of the cars you would have different spaghetti of different
lengths.

hey sue, where you from ?

-y


What physically measurable quantity is altered
if an automobile dirver allows more *time* for a
commute to and from his workplace ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

Sue...

This is the kind of math that I would like to see more of.

Modulus, rather than calculus.

Please note. Time is a tool not a condition of space. Hey Sue have you
started recycling yet ?

One more thing. The spaghetti diagram of the cars would be like a
snail trail of the cars across the solar system as they made their
trip from A-B. The longer the time, the longer the distance.

hope this makes more sense. We have the center of mass of the planets
as well as the center of the sun. Surely these two points of reference
are just as important as theories about 'time' travel.

-y

On Jun 1, 11:33 pm, Y top-posted but Sue...
fixed it.





What physically measurable quantity is altered
if an automobile dirver allows more *time* for a
commute to and from his workplace ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

Well I can only think of one quantity, done with the appropriate
model. Distance.

No doubt, someone else pays for your motor fuel.


If you had a model of the earth in rotation as it does around the sun
you would see that the longer the 'time' taken would result in a
longer distance. The diagram of it would look something like a
spaghetti in 3d. But you could ascertain the distance easily using
software. It would be fun to do right ? A different kind of graph than
what you are used to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planeta...puter_software


1. you need one model of the solar system. (constant rate of motion)
(you can use your time tool btw)
2. you need two models of the cars motion on the planet. a)a faster
time and b)a slower time.

For each of the cars you would have different spaghetti of different
lengths.

hey sue, where you from ?

Third rock from the sun. )

Please observe the usenet etiquette about top-posting.
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

Sue...

Infact, it IS quantity, whereas time travel has NO quantity. It does
not exist. It can not exist.

A projectile at the speed of light would be outside of the solar
system in less than 20 minutes. So you would have no bearing on time
or its effects on other places. The projectile and the Earth would be
existentially so. There would be no reversal or stoppage of the earths
motion. Also, the cells in your body would not age at a different
rate. If the projectile was faster than the speed of light, the earth
would not reverse itself around the sun, its just that the projectile
might take 5 minutes to escape the solar system rather than 20
minutes.

Some people have been watching too much superman and star trek.


-y

Third rock from the sun. )

Oh right. The girl in that show was hot.

No doubt, someone else pays for your motor fuel.

You know as well as I do Sue that your motor fuel example is a
practical illusion. That is unless you believe that you are getting
rid of atoms with your car. Some people think this abracadabra, you
know that right ? But like I have said before, maybe the hole in the
ozone layer is because the Earth is grinding away at Einsteins Aether.
LMAO.

Please observe the usenet etiquette about top-posting.http://
www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

Sue...

-y

On Jun 2, 12:12 am, Y wrote:
Third rock from the sun. )

Oh right. The girl in that show was hot.

No doubt, someone else pays for your motor fuel.

You know as well as I do Sue that your motor fuel example is a
practical illusion. That is unless you believe that you are getting
rid of atoms with your car. Some people think this abracadabra, you
know that right ? But like I have said before, maybe the hole in the
ozone layer is because the Earth is grinding away at Einsteins Aether.
LMAO.

Kindly forward you credit card to my agent.
When my time managment through agressive driving
shows up on your monthly statement, you can
rest assured it is the same illusion you mention
above. )

Sue...


Please observe the usenet etiquette about top-posting.http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html



Sue...

-y

What is not an illusion is that 100% financial gain is 100% financial
loss. What is your point ?

-y


On Jun 2, 1:48 pm, "Sue..." wrote:
On Jun 2, 12:12 am, Y wrote:

Third rock from the sun. )

Oh right. The girl in that show was hot.

No doubt, someone else pays for your motor fuel.

You know as well as I do Sue that your motor fuel example is a
practical illusion. That is unless you believe that you are getting
rid of atoms with your car. Some people think this abracadabra, you
know that right ? But like I have said before, maybe the hole in the
ozone layer is because the Earth is grinding away at Einsteins Aether.
LMAO.

Kindly forward you credit card to my agent.
When my time managment through agressive driving
shows up on your monthly statement, you can
rest assured it is the same illusion you mention
above. )

Sue...



Please observe the usenet etiquette about top-posting.http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

Sue...

-y

Sue:

I thought you were an Australian ! Me too. Well, I was born in
England. I live on the Gold Coast. Ironically I am the one who placed
the first sustainable approach for gold mass production. Did you see
it ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.c...caadf9d105ecf0


-y