On May 27, 8:54 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Dono wrote:
On May 27, 8:24 am, Tom Roberts wrote:
Dono wrote:
On May 26, 9:13 pm, Tom Roberts wrote:
But I remark that in GR, for a non-local path [#], on the surface of the
earth, the measured 1-way speed of light _is_ different up from down,
for any sensible method of synchronizing clocks. [...]

This is interesting, much more interesting than all the crackpot stuff
that started the discussion. Is the proof easy to derive? Can you do a
short writeup? (the math associated with it would be great).

Already posted to this newsgroup, long ago (1998):http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...sg/dd9168f6ec3...

(I of course applied the equivalence principle to convert the
conclusions of this SR computation to the earth's surface.)

That is a computation in SR, in GR one would integrate the metric over
the light path. That's more complicated, but for the Schwarzschild
manifold and vertical paths it can be done. Somewhere I have a
Mathematica notebook with this computation for LIGO detecting sun and
moon (unfortunately they have no sensitivity at all for signals of this
frequency). The conclusions are essentially the same, but the details
differ a bit....

Tom Roberts

Thank you!
Much appreciated.

See something much simpler:

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...ch13.pdfpp.2-4

What speed of light does the receiver (observer) measure? Let me tell
you: the receiver under the tower will measure c'=c(1+V/c^2) whereas
the accelerated receiver will measure c'=c+v, where v is the relative
speed of the light source and the receiver. if you do not believe me,
ask Master Tom Roberts - he may explain in a private message.

There is no reason to believe your imbecilities, you are a troll after
all.

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"Dono" wrote in message
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: On May 27, 8:54 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
: Dono wrote:
: On May 27, 8:24 am, Tom Roberts wrote:
: Dono wrote:
: On May 26, 9:13 pm, Tom Roberts
wrote:
: But I remark that in GR, for a non-local path [#], on the surface
of the
: earth, the measured 1-way speed of light _is_ different up from
down,
: for any sensible method of synchronizing clocks. [...]
:
: This is interesting, much more interesting than all the crackpot
stuff
: that started the discussion. Is the proof easy to derive? Can you
do a
: short writeup? (the math associated with it would be great).
:
: Already posted to this newsgroup, long ago
(1998):http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...sg/dd9168f6ec3...
:
: (I of course applied the equivalence principle to convert
the
: conclusions of this SR computation to the earth's surface.)
:
: That is a computation in SR, in GR one would integrate the metric
over
: the light path. That's more complicated, but for the Schwarzschild
: manifold and vertical paths it can be done. Somewhere I have a
: Mathematica notebook with this computation for LIGO detecting sun
and
: moon (unfortunately they have no sensitivity at all for signals of
this
: frequency). The conclusions are essentially the same, but the
details
: differ a bit....
:
: Tom Roberts
:
: Thank you!
: Much appreciated.
:
: See something much simpler:
:
: http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...ch13.pdfpp.2-4
:
: What speed of light does the receiver (observer) measure? Let me tell
: you: the receiver under the tower will measure c'=c(1+V/c^2) whereas
: the accelerated receiver will measure c'=c+v, where v is the relative
: speed of the light source and the receiver. if you do not believe me,
: ask Master Tom Roberts - he may explain in a private message.
:
: There is no reason to believe your imbecilities, you are a troll after
: all.

There is no reason to heed you, you are a stupid dumb**** after all.
*plonk*

On May 27, 2:06 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"Dono" wrote in message

oups.com...
: On May 27, 8:54 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:: Dono wrote:

: On May 27, 8:24 am, Tom Roberts wrote:
: Dono wrote:
: On May 26, 9:13 pm, Tom Roberts
wrote:
: But I remark that in GR, for a non-local path [#], on the surface
of the
: earth, the measured 1-way speed of light _is_ different up from
down,
: for any sensible method of synchronizing clocks. [...]
:
: This is interesting, much more interesting than all the crackpot
stuff
: that started the discussion. Is the proof easy to derive? Can you
do a
: short writeup? (the math associated with it would be great).
:
: Already posted to this newsgroup, long ago
(1998):http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...sg/dd9168f6ec3...
:
: (I of course applied the equivalence principle to convert
the
: conclusions of this SR computation to the earth's surface.)
:
: That is a computation in SR, in GR one would integrate the metric
over
: the light path. That's more complicated, but for the Schwarzschild
: manifold and vertical paths it can be done. Somewhere I have a
: Mathematica notebook with this computation for LIGO detecting sun
and
: moon (unfortunately they have no sensitivity at all for signals of
this
: frequency). The conclusions are essentially the same, but the
details
: differ a bit....
:
: Tom Roberts
:
: Thank you!
: Much appreciated.
:
: See something much simpler:
:
: http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...ch13.pdfpp.2-4
:
: What speed of light does the receiver (observer) measure? Let me tell
: you: the receiver under the tower will measure c'=c(1+V/c^2) whereas
: the accelerated receiver will measure c'=c+v, where v is the relative
: speed of the light source and the receiver. if you do not believe me,
: ask Master Tom Roberts - he may explain in a private message.
:
: There is no reason to believe your imbecilities, you are a troll after
: all.

There is no reason to heed you, you are a stupid dumb**** after all.
*plonk*



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Pink Floyd said we would meet in MELBOURNE and we got MELS hole

The Bourne is a pregnant women

And I saw a TV commercial with a women licking drippy something and
acting kinda lustful maybe and the barin cancer is

I like to be home with my monkee and my dog

Pink Floyd er Rodger that Radio kaos thingy


And In Dark City the mall is mutating and Signs are becoming
relationships which are integers which I have been creating the
maternity shop has a bince name and fashion/style what the hall is it?

Leave that to your imagination and flowery camofauge kind of thingy and
thats mission impossible or part of it but I have left the clues and
Pink Floyd got this Enigma thingy going on and there Really Is a graet
Group called Enigma I enjoy


Engage

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have had sex with your pregnant wife I dont think thats the brain
cancer.

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Vocational Rehabilitation girlwas pregnant and made me think of sex and
it kinda hurt me i beleive and she bought me the welfare glasses because
my other glasses were polycarbonate rubber and experimental and
scratchy/cloudy and the welfare glasses have gained an unfixable bend or
something I cant fix but victor said Its all good so no panic attacks
and violence on the brain please.

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