Wikipedia says that higher intensity (I believe higher
intensity(kelvins) means more photons) can also create heavier
particles?

Therefore that must also imply that not only 2 photons can create an
electron but also that ****MORE**** then 2 photons can also create
one electron?

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AAA) There must be an important QUANTUM EFFECT in the discussion above
since the annihilation of an electron/positron regenerates
photons....the question is how many photons?


The meaning of #AAA suggests multiple photons(intensity) can be
converted into only two photons traveling at a higher frequency which
must be an important quantum principal?

wrote:
[...]

You have written several posts GUESSING about conversion of multiple
photons into massive particles. Your GUESSES have no validity. But we do
know quite a lot about such processes.

Most of our knowledge is summarized in conservation laws:
A) 4-momentum is conserved
B) charge is conserved
C) angular momentum is conserved
D) parity is conserved, at least approximately (and for processes
involving photons the approximation is extremely good)
E) lepton number is conserved, at least approximately (and for
processes involving photons the approximation is extremely good)
F) baryon number is approximately conserved (and for processes
involving photons the approximation is extremely good)

No violations of (A), (B), or (C) are known. (D) can be violated in weak
processes, (E) is violated in neutrino oscillations, and (F) is only an
approximate symmetry of the standard model. Violations of the last three
become more important at higher energy.

So, for instance:
(A) prevents a single photon from decaying or producing any
massive particles, or multiple massless particles.
(B) and (E) require that any number of photons creating massive
particles will produce them in pairs with opposite charge.
(A) plus (B) imply that every particle has an antiparticle
(but some neutral particles are their own antiparticles).

As for "multiple photons producing an electron", (B) requires that
electron pairs be produced (i.e. e+ e-). (C) and (D) require that the
number of photons involved be even. And note it is VERY difficult to get
two elementary particles to intersect close enough to interact[*]; 3 or
more is essentially impossible. For instance, at the various particle
colliders, two bunches of particles collide periodically; each bunch
contains 10^10 particles or more, but at each crossing only a handful of
interactions occur; the bunches are typically a few microns in diameter,
and a few cm long (moving at 0.999 c in opposite directions relative to
the lab) -- details depend on which machine one considers.

[*] ignoring their classical Coulomb interaction, if they
are charged.


Tom Roberts

On May 19, 9:11 am, Tom Roberts wrote:
wrote:
[...]

You have written several posts GUESSING about conversion of multiple
photons into massive particles. Your GUESSES have no validity. But we do
know quite a lot about such processes.

Most of our knowledge is summarized in conservation laws:
A) 4-momentum is conserved
B) charge is conserved
C) angular momentum is conserved
D) parity is conserved, at least approximately (and for processes
involving photons the approximation is extremely good)
E) lepton number is conserved, at least approximately (and for
processes involving photons the approximation is extremely good)
F) baryon number is approximately conserved (and for processes
involving photons the approximation is extremely good)


I'm talking about two photons colliding together to produce matter and
your talking about lepton and baryon conservation? Photons have letpon
and baryon numbers before the collision?? Where as Momentum
Conservation is understandable but not lepton and baryon?


No violations of (A), (B), or (C) are known. (D) can be violated in weak
processes, (E) is violated in neutrino oscillations, and (F) is only an
approximate symmetry of the standard model. Violations of the last three
become more important at higher energy.

So, for instance:
(A) prevents a single photon from decaying or producing any
massive particles, or multiple massless particles

Strange how a virtual em wave can decay into particles (quarks) and
even produce the stronger gluon force?


(B) and (E) require that any number of photons creating massive
particles will produce them in pairs with opposite charge.
(A) plus (B) imply that every particle has an antiparticle
(but some neutral particles are their own antiparticles).

As for "multiple photons producing an electron", (B) requires that
electron pairs be produced (i.e. e+ e-). (C) and (D) require that the
number of photons involved be even. And note it is VERY difficult to get
two elementary particles to intersect close enough to interact[*]; 3 or
more is essentially impossible. For instance, at the various particle
colliders, two bunches of particles collide periodically; each bunch
contains 10^10 particles or more, but at each crossing only a handful of
interactions occur; the bunches are typically a few microns in diameter,
and a few cm long (moving at 0.999 c in opposite directions relative to
the lab) -- details depend on which machine one considers.

[*] ignoring their classical Coulomb interaction, if they
are charged.

Tom Roberts


Regardless you snipped away at what I wrote without specifying at
which part of the analogy I wrote strays off course.

As I wrote: two single photons can become multiple photons, followed
by the simple explanation of what can occur after these two photons
produce two particles which later-on these particles can generate into
multiple photons (thus you start with 2 photons and end-up with
multiple photons (multiple quanta units).

On May 19, 5:47 am, " wrote:
Wikipedia says that higher intensity (I believe higher
intensity(kelvins) means more photons) can also create heavier
particles?

Therefore that must also imply that not only 2 photons can create an
electron but also that ****MORE**** then 2 photons can also create
one electron?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----------------

AAA) There must be an important QUANTUM EFFECT in the discussion above
since the annihilation of an electron/positron regenerates
photons....the question is how many photons?

The meaning of #AAA suggests multiple photons(intensity) can be
converted into only two photons traveling at a higher frequency which
must be an important quantum principal?

The logic once again is that since 2 photons at high frequency or
multiple photons (high intensity) according to wikipedia can also make
the very same particles after collision thus we may be permitted to
conclude when these particles decay/annihilate due to conservation
laws then likewise 2 or multiple photons can be created.

Thus through success reactions(collisions/annihilations) you can have
2 photons produce multiple photons and vice-versa (quanta and momentum
perserved).

On May 19, 5:47 am, " wrote:
Wikipedia says that higher intensity (I believe higher
intensity(kelvins) means more photons) can also create heavier
particles?

Therefore that must also imply that not only 2 photons can create an
electron but also that ****MORE**** then 2 photons can also create
one electron?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----------------

AAA) There must be an important QUANTUM EFFECT in the discussion above
since the annihilation of an electron/positron regenerates
photons....the question is how many photons?

The meaning of #AAA suggests multiple photons(intensity) can be
converted into only two photons traveling at a higher frequency which
must be an important quantum principal?


Viewing the respect & importance attributed to Fienman diagrams
(foundation of nuclear technology) due to particle/photon behaviors,
then AS WELL the above behaviors that occur after multiple Fienman
processes should demand the ***SAME*** attention and importance (and
signify a new important quantum principal)?