http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...d7baf4ffcae461

On February 23, 1994, Hartmut Frommert wrote in sci.physics:

Though the natural constant "c" which is usually called the vacuum light
velocity (or speed) can only be changed by re-definition of units (as any
conversion factor), the (actual) speed of (the propagation of) light
(photons !) is NOT constant, e.g. in a gravitational field (see any textbook
on elementary General Relativity).

JOHN BAEZ replied: "This is darn misleading. The speed of light is
constant in GR, it's just that the spacetime the light is moving
around in is a bit wiggly. Of course, one *could* think of it the way
you suggest, but one would have to say, not just that the speed of
light was different in a "gravitational field," but that all other
laws of physics were different too, in a fairly complicated manner."

Pentcho Valev

On May 11, 11:43 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:

[...]

What a sad life you lead.

Do you have anything in your life other than searching for 'dirt' on
relativity?

[...]

What a sad life you lead.

Do you have anything in your life other than searching for 'dirt' on
relativity?

Life is not lead, it is fabricated, and Einstein's world is
fabricated.

Eric Gisse wrote:
On May 11, 11:43 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:

[...]

What a sad life you lead.

Do you have anything in your life other than searching for 'dirt' on
relativity?

No. Compare Baez's camouflage with what other relativists say about
the variability of the speed of light in the presence of a
gravitational field:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...7ce7429cbc7ffa

Pentcho Valev

On May 12, 12:37 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
On May 11, 11:43 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:

[...]

What a sad life you lead.

Do you have anything in your life other than searching for 'dirt' on
relativity?

No. Compare Baez's camouflage with what other relativists say about
the variability of the speed of light in the presence of a
gravitational field:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...rowse_frm/thre...

Pentcho Valev


I think Eric's point is that all your posts miss the mark - they are
pointless because they always assume a falsehood somewhere and it's
simply boring to keep deriving random claims from some false
assumption or other.

--
Jan Bielawski

JanPB wrote:
On May 12, 12:37 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
On May 11, 11:43 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:

[...]

What a sad life you lead.

Do you have anything in your life other than searching for 'dirt' on
relativity?

No. Compare Baez's camouflage with what other relativists say about
the variability of the speed of light in the presence of a
gravitational field:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...rowse_frm/thre...

Pentcho Valev


I think Eric's point is that all your posts miss the mark - they are
pointless because they always assume a falsehood somewhere and it's
simply boring to keep deriving random claims from some false
assumption or other.

--
Jan Bielawski

Perhaps but in this case I am just comparing the explanations of your
masters. For instance, according to Master John Baez's explanation,
the following explanation of Master Tom Roberts is "darn misleading":

Pentcho Valev asked on sci.physics.relativity: CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT
EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD? Tom Roberts answered:
"Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the measurement. It can
also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume you really mean the
standard value for c). And this can happen even for an accelerated
observer in a region without any significant gravitation (e.g. in
Minkowski spacetime)." Tom Roberts

Pentcho Valev

On 11 May 2007 23:43:25 -0700, Pentcho Valev wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...d7baf4ffcae461

On February 23, 1994, Hartmut Frommert wrote in sci.physics:

Though the natural constant "c" which is usually called the vacuum light
velocity (or speed) can only be changed by re-definition of units (as any
conversion factor), the (actual) speed of (the propagation of) light
(photons !) is NOT constant, e.g. in a gravitational field (see any textbook
on elementary General Relativity).

JOHN BAEZ replied: "This is darn misleading. The speed of light is
constant in GR, it's just that the spacetime the light is moving
around in is a bit wiggly. Of course, one *could* think of it the way
you suggest, but one would have to say, not just that the speed of
light was different in a "gravitational field," but that all other
laws of physics were different too, in a fairly complicated manner."

ahahaha... Funny that Baez would write that light is moving in
spacetime since nothing can move in spacetime by definition. IOW,
there is no spacetime. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

What is even funnier is that Baez knows this. He just has to kiss the
asses of his masters (e.g., Brian Greene) by preaching the same old
lie. ahahaha... There are two kinds of science, the ass kissing kind
and the truth seeking kind. Guess which one Baez is in. ahahaha...

Crackpots in high places are the most dangerous crackpots of them all.

Nasty Little Truth About Spacetime Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/notorious.htm

Louis Savain

In article ,
Traveler wrote:

Crackpots in high places are the most dangerous crackpots of them all.


Fortunately for us you're just a crackpot.

--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity. Official Science Team mascot.

COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).

On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:22:49 +0100, Phineas T Puddleduck
wrote:

In article ,
Traveler wrote:

Crackpots in high places are the most dangerous crackpots of them all.


Fortunately for us you're just a crackpot.

ahahaha... Unfortunately for you, you're just an unpaid ass kisser.
You volunteered. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

In article ,
Traveler wrote:

ahahaha... Unfortunately for you, you're just an unpaid ass kisser.
You volunteered. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain


Yet again class response.

--
COOSN-174-07-82116: Official Science Team mascot and alt.astronomy's favourite
poster (from a survey taken of the saucerhead high command).

Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.