http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.a...&src=site-marq
"In the experiment a beam of light was passed through a specially
prepared caesium atomic chamber. The beam of light arrived at the far
end 62 nanoseconds sooner than would be expected under normal
conditions. "Our experiment is not at odds with Einstein's special
relativity, but it does show that the generally held misconception
that nothing can move faster than the speed of light is wrong," the
laboratory reported. "The statement only applies to objects with a
rest mass. Light can be viewed as waves and has no mass. Therefore, it
is not limited by its speed inside a vacuum."

In the world of Einstein, except for a few "crackpots", nobody would
see anything idiotic in the above quotation. Rather, Einsteinians
would resume their endless discussion about group and phase velocity
and, after disentagling some initial confusion, would reach again the
most important conclusion:

"In sum: phase and group velocity may exceed c, but frontal velocity
cannot exceed c."

Pentcho Valev

"Pentcho Valev" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
oups.com...
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.a...&src=site-marq
"In the experiment a beam of light was passed through a specially
prepared caesium atomic chamber. The beam of light arrived at the far
end 62 nanoseconds sooner than would be expected under normal
conditions. "Our experiment is not at odds with Einstein's special
relativity, but it does show that the generally held misconception
that nothing can move faster than the speed of light is wrong," the
laboratory reported. "The statement only applies to objects with a
rest mass. Light can be viewed as waves and has no mass. Therefore, it
is not limited by its speed inside a vacuum."


Congratulations: Relativity is the present interpretation is not compatible
also
with the experimental results of Wang and Nimtz. Also others reportet
superluminal
effects in matter. Nimtz first time could quantify a new property of
practically instantaneous movement of
photons in the vaccum gap between two prisms called the tunneling feature of
frustrated total
reflection. There must be something absolute to which relativity concepts
must be combined.
GR is fully wrong, SR is partly wrong or at least a new interpretation must
be found to what we call
Lorentz transforms (Time dilation, lenght contracion, Velocity add theory.

GR is dead. It was the biggest blunder in science ever constructed probably.
SR needs a proper
cosmology, an absolute infinite universal frame for each observer relativ to
whch SR concepts
apply. Only such a concept is able to solve some of the most important
physics theory questions.


In the world of Einstein, except for a few "crackpots", nobody would
see anything idiotic in the above quotation. Rather, Einsteinians
would resume their endless discussion about group and phase velocity
and, after disentagling some initial confusion, would reach again the
most important conclusion:

"In sum: phase and group velocity may exceed c, but frontal velocity
cannot exceed c."


This last "in sum" sentence does not make sense at all. You must decide what
you want.


Pentcho Valev

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:52:04 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:
.....
reflection. There must be something absolute to which relativity concepts
........

Absolute what?

You are an absolute idiot.



w.
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josefmatz wrote:
Congratulations: Relativity is the present interpretation is not compatible
also with the experimental results of Wang and Nimtz.

This is simply not true. The original authors understand this, but press
reports of their results often do not.


"Pentcho Valev" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
oups.com...
"In sum: phase and group velocity may exceed c, but frontal velocity
cannot exceed c."

[This is one of the few statements by Valev that is
actually correct; mostly he writes nonsense.]

Yes. Only people with an insufficient understanding of SR and wave
propagation would be surprised at this -- it is basic and well known.

Note that signals propagate with the front velocity. For a simple
demonstration of group velocity c but front velocity c, go to
http://gregegan.customer.netspace.ne...ETS/20/20.html


This last "in sum" sentence does not make sense at all.

It makes perfect sense, and is correct. Apparently you need to learn
what those words mean and how they relate to physical phenomena.


You must decide what
you want.

No. You must observe and understand how nature actually behaves. This is
supposed to be science -- what you "want" is irrelevant.


Tom Roberts

"Helmut Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ...
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:52:04 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:
.....
reflection. There must be something absolute to which relativity concepts
........

Absolute what?

You are an absolute idiot.


And you are relative more stupid than me

Joe



w.
--
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
IN NONE WE TRUST.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:59:35 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:


"Helmut Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ...
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:52:04 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:
.....
reflection. There must be something absolute to which relativity concepts
........

Absolute what?

You are an absolute idiot.


And you are relative more stupid than me

Joe

I like that.
So you know that not everything can be absolute...
w.

On Mar 6, 11:05 pm, "Pentcho Valev" wrote:
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.a...&src=site-marq
"In the experiment a beam of light was passed through a specially
prepared caesium atomic chamber. The beam of light arrived at the far
end 62 nanoseconds sooner than would be expected under normal
conditions. "Our experiment is not at odds with Einstein's special
relativity, but it does show that the generally held misconception
that nothing can move faster than the speed of light is wrong," the
laboratory reported. "The statement only applies to objects with a
rest mass. Light can be viewed as waves and has no mass. Therefore, it
is not limited by its speed inside a vacuum."

In the world of Einstein, except for a few "crackpots", nobody would
see anything idiotic in the above quotation. Rather, Einsteinians
would resume their endless discussion about group and phase velocity
and, after disentagling some initial confusion, would reach again the
most important conclusion:

"In sum: phase and group velocity may exceed c, but frontal velocity
cannot exceed c."

Pentcho Valev

Yes, cretin, it was explained to you for the past 20 years or so.
Obviously you don't get it.

"Helmut Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ...
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:59:35 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:


"Helmut Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - schrieb
im
Newsbeitrag ...
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:52:04 +0100, "josefmatz"
wrote:
.....
reflection. There must be something absolute to which relativity
concepts
........

Absolute what?

You are an absolute idiot.


And you are relative more stupid than me

Joe

I like that.
So you know that not everything can be absolute...
w.

Yes