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An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)



 
 
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Old February 26th 07 posted to alt.conspiracy,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,fr.sci.physique,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Default An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)

Ask yourself who is The World's Most Evil Manâ„¢ and The World's Most
Brilliant Mindâ„¢ according to popular culture, then ask yourself who
controls the media.

By Rory Carroll in Rome
The Guardian - London

The mathematical equation that ushered in the atomic age was
discovered by an unknown Italian dilettante two years before Albert
Einstein used it in developing the theory of relativity, it was
claimed yesterday.

Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, published the
equation E=mc2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903, said Umberto
Bartocci, a mathematical historian.

Einstein allegedly used De Pretto's insight in a major paper published
in 1905, but De Pretto was never acclaimed, said Professor Bartocci of
the University of Perugia.

De Pretto had stumbled on the equation, but not the theory of
relativity, while speculating about ether in the life of the universe,
said Prof Bartocci. It was republished in 1904 by Veneto's Royal
Science Institute, but the equation's significance was not understood.

A Swiss Italian named Michele Besso alerted Einstein to the research
and in 1905 Einstein published his own work, said Prof Bartocci. It
took years for his breakthrough to be grasped. When the penny finally
dropped, De Pretto's contribution was overlooked while Einstein went
on to become the century's most famous scientist. De Pretto died in
1921.

"De Pretto did not discover relativity but there is no doubt that he
was the first to use the equation. That is hugely significant. I also
believe, though it's impossible to prove, that Einstein used De
Pretto's research," said Prof Bartocci, who has written a book on the
subject.

Einstein's theory held that time and motion are relative to the
observer if the speed of light is constant and if all natural laws are
the same. A footnote established the equivalence of mass and energy,
according to which the energy (E) of a quantity of matter (m) is equal
to the product of the mass and the square of the velocity of light
(c). Now known as: E=mc2 .

The influence of work by other physicists on Einstein's theory is also
controversial. A German, David Hilbert, is thought by some to have
been decisive.

Edmund Robertson, professor of mathematics at St Andrew's University,
said: "An awful lot of mathematics was done by people who have never
been credited - Arabs in the middle ages, for example. Einstein may
have got the idea from someone else, but ideas come from all sorts of
places.

"De Pretto deserves credit if his contribution can be proven. Even so,
it should not detract from Einstein."

http://www.rense.com/general19/ital.htm

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Default An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)


"5,999,999" wrote in message oups.com...

[snip crap]

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

Whoopee, I derived E = mv^2.




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Default An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)

On Feb 26, 4:59 am, "Androcles"
wrote:

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

Whoopee, I derived E = mv^2.


No, you're just a crank.

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Old February 26th 07 posted to alt.conspiracy,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,fr.sci.physique,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Default An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 5,999,999 wrote
in message
.com:

Ask yourself who is The World's Most Evil Man™ and The World's Most
Brilliant Mind™ according to popular culture, then ask yourself who
controls the media.

By Rory Carroll in Rome
The Guardian - London

The mathematical equation that ushered in the atomic age was
discovered by an unknown Italian dilettante two years before Albert
Einstein used it in developing the theory of relativity, it was
claimed yesterday.

Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, published the
equation E=mc2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903, said Umberto
Bartocci, a mathematical historian.


OF course, De Pretto was using it to describe the properties of
"aether," but don't let that stop your distortions. I know you won't.

Just like I know you will continue to run from this:

quote

Debate should be never be closed as long as there are some who disbelieve the
"so-called" facts.


So, there should continue to be debate over whether the Earth is flat?


Saying holocaust revisionists are flat-earthers is ignorant or plain
dishonest.


No, it is deniers who are demonstrably ignorant or dishonest.

A holocaust denier is any non--partisan who has done any
research beyond watching Schindler's list.


Demonstrably wrong.

What "Holocaust deniers" say is simply that there were no gas
chambers. None. Zero. Nada. There is NO evidence of gas chambers that
an objective person can find credible.


And that assertion is either made out of ignorance or dishonesty,
given things like the Krakow Institute report, the transportation
records to (and recorded lack of transportation from) the camps, and
the Kremer diary, just to name three pieces of that evidence.

There is growing credible
evidence that what purport to be the remains of gas chambers at
Auschwitz, and elsewhere, are frauds - less believable than Potemkin
villages.


And yet, you cannot cite a single bit of this "new evidence."

Funny, that.


There is PLENTY of evidence.


And yet, you *still cannot actually *cite* a single bit of this "new
evidence."

Funny, that.

In comparison, this is a sample of what "Holocaust Proof" is made of,
along with photos of crematoriums, cans of empty flea powder and
emaciated corpses of typhoid victims pushed into a pit:


One wonders why the idiot hater does not even *try* to address the
three bits of evidence above?

/quote
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Old February 26th 07 posted to alt.conspiracy,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,fr.sci.physique,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Default An Italian published E=mc2 two years B.E. (before Einstein)

In article .com,
says...
Ask yourself who is The World's Most Evil Manâ=3F¢ and The World's Most
Brilliant Mindâ=3F¢ according to popular culture, then ask yourself who
controls the media.

By Rory Carroll in Rome
The Guardian - London

The mathematical equation that ushered in the atomic age was
discovered by an unknown Italian dilettante two years before Albert
Einstein used it in developing the theory of relativity, it was
claimed yesterday.

Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, published the
equation E=mc2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903, said Umberto
Bartocci, a mathematical historian.

Einstein allegedly used De Pretto's insight in a major paper published
in 1905, but De Pretto was never acclaimed, said Professor Bartocci of
the University of Perugia.

De Pretto had stumbled on the equation, but not the theory of
relativity, while speculating about ether in the life of the universe,
said Prof Bartocci. It was republished in 1904 by Veneto's Royal
Science Institute, but the equation's significance was not understood.

A Swiss Italian named Michele Besso alerted Einstein to the research
and in 1905 Einstein published his own work, said Prof Bartocci. It
took years for his breakthrough to be grasped. When the penny finally
dropped, De Pretto's contribution was overlooked while Einstein went
on to become the century's most famous scientist. De Pretto died in
1921.

"De Pretto did not discover relativity but there is no doubt that he
was the first to use the equation. That is hugely significant. I also
believe, though it's impossible to prove, that Einstein used De
Pretto's research," said Prof Bartocci, who has written a book on the
subject.

Einstein's theory held that time and motion are relative to the
observer if the speed of light is constant and if all natural laws are
the same. A footnote established the equivalence of mass and energy,
according to which the energy (E) of a quantity of matter (m) is equal
to the product of the mass and the square of the velocity of light
(c). Now known as: E=mc2 .

The influence of work by other physicists on Einstein's theory is also
controversial. A German, David Hilbert, is thought by some to have
been decisive.

Edmund Robertson, professor of mathematics at St Andrew's University,
said: "An awful lot of mathematics was done by people who have never
been credited - Arabs in the middle ages, for example. Einstein may
have got the idea from someone else, but ideas come from all sorts of
places.

"De Pretto deserves credit if his contribution can be proven. Even so,
it should not detract from Einstein."

http://www.rense.com/general19/ital.htm



Actually fact De Pretto's was hardly a novel idea and was quickly
ignored as it is not relativity at all.

Basically he stated that matter consists of tiny particles (of what he
does not say), agitated by their exposure to the ultra-mundane ether
particles of George LeSage's "shadow theory" of gravity. Since the
particles in every aggregate of matter are in motion, every quantity of
mass contains an amount of energy equal to Leibniz's "vis viva", the
living force, which Leibniz defined as mv^2. Oddly enough, De Pretto
seems to have been under the impression that mv^2 was the kinetic
energy
of macroscopic bodies moving at the speed v.

Nor did De Pretto know that the speed of light is a physically limiting
speed, but he noted that LeSage's ether particles were thought to move
at approximately the speed of light, and so (he reasoned) the particles
comprising a stationary aggregate of matter may also be vibrating
internally at the speed of light. In that case, the vis viva of each
quantity of mass m would be mc^2.

And it is in fact wrong! No mass can travel at c. And it is quite
different to Einstein's formula E=mc^2 as this energy refers to the
energy of the mass.

Needless to say, this bears no resemblance at all to the path that
Einstein actually followed to mass-energy equivalence.



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Classically a particle moving at c has a kinetic energy of E = 1/2 mc^2.

Why did De Pretto state E = mc^2 ?

Aagee


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Aage Andersen wrote:

Classically a particle moving at c has a kinetic energy of E = 1/2 mc^2.


????



Why did De Pretto state E = mc^2 ?


????



Aagee


Eg=mc^2[Vr/Vo]

Ec=Eg-mc^2

Ec= mc^2 [sqrt(1+Vr^2/c^2)-1] or Ec=mc^2 [sqrt(1/(1-Vo^2/c^2)) - 1 ]

If Vo=c then Ec=mc^2 [Oo]= Oo

Energie cinetique infinie.


Logique.


R.H.


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wrote in message ups.com...
On Feb 26, 4:59 am, "Androcles"
wrote:

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

Whoopee, I derived E = mv^2.


No, you're just a crank.


No, you are just a ****head.


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"Richard Hachel"
Aage Andersen Classically a particle moving at c has a kinetic energy of
E = 1/2 mc^2.

????



Why did De Pretto state E = mc^2 ?


????

Eg=mc^2[Vr/Vo]

Ec=Eg-mc^2

Ec= mc^2 [sqrt(1+Vr^2/c^2)-1] or Ec=mc^2 [sqrt(1/(1-Vo^2/c^2)) -
1 ]

If Vo=c then Ec=mc^2 [Oo]= Oo

Energie cinetique infinie.


That is relativistic not classically.

Aage


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Aage Andersen wrote:

"Richard Hachel"
Aage Andersen Classically a particle moving at c has a kinetic energy of
E = 1/2 mc^2.

????



Why did De Pretto state E = mc^2 ?


????

Eg=mc^2[Vr/Vo]

Ec=Eg-mc^2

Ec= mc^2 [sqrt(1+Vr^2/c^2)-1] or Ec=mc^2 [sqrt(1/(1-Vo^2/c^2)) -
1 ]

If Vo=c then Ec=mc^2 [Oo]= Oo

Energie cinetique infinie.


That is relativistic not classically.


That is classical relativity.

Ec=Eg-mc^2

Ec=mc^2 [sqrt(1/(1-Vo^2/c^2)) - 1 ]

If Vo=c then Ec=mc^2 [Oo]= Oo

Where not?



Aage


R.H.

 




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