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Old November 22nd 06 posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
FrediFizzx
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Default Emergent Gravity Debates 1

"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that Waldyr is a strict formalist and does not think
physically. Waldyr, like all mathematicians, gives to much weight to
rigorous proofs. Feynman and Einstein were not great mathematicians.
Waldyr can train his students to be competent technicians in the
arcane formalisms but never will they invent a new physical idea of
importance. Look at Brian Josephson's discovery for example, it was
not a triumph of mathematics but of physical insight. The math is
rather trivial - complex numbers and trigonometry, some Bessel
functions perhaps. One thing that Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Tommy
Gold and Ed Salpeter encouraged at Cornell in late 50's and early 60's
was keep the math to a minimum. Similarly with Feynman and Wheeler who
I had personal contact with.

That said, look at the Abrikosov vortex lattice in a Type II
superconductor


http://esmane.physics.lsa.umich.edu/...eal/sld007.htm

This is what you get with ONE Goldstone phase and TWO real Higgs
components.
This is from the first homotopy group that is non-trivial in 3D space
to get stable line defects.

In contrast

With TWO Goldstone phases and THREE real Higgs components like in a
ferromagnet you get point defects, i.e. the lattice


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...ttice_1000.gif

And from this I get the quantum gravity holographic universe length
uncertainty ~ world lattice unit cell size

deltaL = Lp^2/3L^1/3

Note in a deSitter universe with negative pressure (positive) zero
point energy density (w = -1) /\zpf



http://static.flickr.com/45/138786356_f0f38747ef.jpg

The minimum throat has area

1//\zpf with entropy ~ 1//\zpfLp^2 BITS

/\zpf ~ dark energy density ~ 10^-56 cm^-2

N = 1//\zpfLp^2

N = (Point Defect Density)V = (Point Defect Density)/\zpf^-3/2

Therefore

(Point Defect Density) = /\zpf^1/2/Lp^2 = 1/(separation of point
defects)^3

separation of point defects ~ 1 fermi

Now anyone who does not find that pretty and intriguing is not a
physicist - not the kinds I knew at Cornell at least.



It is not that intriguing. Much more intriguing is getting a whole
range of "defects" that is produced by our hexagonal lattice structure
that can possibly explain the mass spectrum of the Standard Model and
beyond.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com

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Old November 22nd 06 posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Sue...
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Default Emergent Gravity Debates 1


FrediFizzx wrote:
"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that Waldyr is a strict formalist and does not think
physically. Waldyr, like all mathematicians, gives to much weight to
rigorous proofs. Feynman and Einstein were not great mathematicians.
Waldyr can train his students to be competent technicians in the
arcane formalisms but never will they invent a new physical idea of
importance. Look at Brian Josephson's discovery for example, it was
not a triumph of mathematics but of physical insight. The math is
rather trivial - complex numbers and trigonometry, some Bessel
functions perhaps. One thing that Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Tommy
Gold and Ed Salpeter encouraged at Cornell in late 50's and early 60's
was keep the math to a minimum. Similarly with Feynman and Wheeler who
I had personal contact with.

That said, look at the Abrikosov vortex lattice in a Type II
superconductor


http://esmane.physics.lsa.umich.edu/...eal/sld007.htm

This is what you get with ONE Goldstone phase and TWO real Higgs
components.
This is from the first homotopy group that is non-trivial in 3D space
to get stable line defects.

In contrast

With TWO Goldstone phases and THREE real Higgs components like in a
ferromagnet you get point defects, i.e. the lattice


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...ttice_1000.gif

And from this I get the quantum gravity holographic universe length
uncertainty ~ world lattice unit cell size

deltaL = Lp^2/3L^1/3

Note in a deSitter universe with negative pressure (positive) zero
point energy density (w = -1) /\zpf



http://static.flickr.com/45/138786356_f0f38747ef.jpg

The minimum throat has area

1//\zpf with entropy ~ 1//\zpfLp^2 BITS

/\zpf ~ dark energy density ~ 10^-56 cm^-2

N = 1//\zpfLp^2

N = (Point Defect Density)V = (Point Defect Density)/\zpf^-3/2

Therefore

(Point Defect Density) = /\zpf^1/2/Lp^2 = 1/(separation of point
defects)^3

separation of point defects ~ 1 fermi

Now anyone who does not find that pretty and intriguing is not a
physicist - not the kinds I knew at Cornell at least.



It is not that intriguing. Much more intriguing is getting a whole
range of "defects" that is produced by our hexagonal lattice structure
that can possibly explain the mass spectrum of the Standard Model and
beyond.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com


Sigh... You insist on attributing properties to the nothingness before
we have used up all the properties in the somethingness. If your
friends don't conjure up a particle-pair soon, we're going to hack
into you URL's and rename them:
"Instruction manual for Feynman's fairies" )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_susceptibility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_impedance

Sue...

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Old November 22nd 06 posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
FrediFizzx
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Default Emergent Gravity Debates 1

"Sue..." wrote in message
ps.com...

FrediFizzx wrote:
"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that Waldyr is a strict formalist and does not think
physically. Waldyr, like all mathematicians, gives to much weight
to
rigorous proofs. Feynman and Einstein were not great
mathematicians.
Waldyr can train his students to be competent technicians in the
arcane formalisms but never will they invent a new physical idea of
importance. Look at Brian Josephson's discovery for example, it was
not a triumph of mathematics but of physical insight. The math is
rather trivial - complex numbers and trigonometry, some Bessel
functions perhaps. One thing that Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Tommy
Gold and Ed Salpeter encouraged at Cornell in late 50's and early
60's
was keep the math to a minimum. Similarly with Feynman and Wheeler
who
I had personal contact with.

That said, look at the Abrikosov vortex lattice in a Type II
superconductor


http://esmane.physics.lsa.umich.edu/...eal/sld007.htm

This is what you get with ONE Goldstone phase and TWO real Higgs
components.
This is from the first homotopy group that is non-trivial in 3D
space
to get stable line defects.

In contrast

With TWO Goldstone phases and THREE real Higgs components like in a
ferromagnet you get point defects, i.e. the lattice


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...ttice_1000.gif

And from this I get the quantum gravity holographic universe length
uncertainty ~ world lattice unit cell size

deltaL = Lp^2/3L^1/3

Note in a deSitter universe with negative pressure (positive) zero
point energy density (w = -1) /\zpf



http://static.flickr.com/45/138786356_f0f38747ef.jpg

The minimum throat has area

1//\zpf with entropy ~ 1//\zpfLp^2 BITS

/\zpf ~ dark energy density ~ 10^-56 cm^-2

N = 1//\zpfLp^2

N = (Point Defect Density)V = (Point Defect Density)/\zpf^-3/2

Therefore

(Point Defect Density) = /\zpf^1/2/Lp^2 = 1/(separation of point
defects)^3

separation of point defects ~ 1 fermi

Now anyone who does not find that pretty and intriguing is not a
physicist - not the kinds I knew at Cornell at least.



It is not that intriguing. Much more intriguing is getting a whole
range of "defects" that is produced by our hexagonal lattice
structure
that can possibly explain the mass spectrum of the Standard Model and
beyond.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com


Sigh... You insist on attributing properties to the nothingness before
we have used up all the properties in the somethingness. If your
friends don't conjure up a particle-pair soon, we're going to hack
into you URL's and rename them:
"Instruction manual for Feynman's fairies" )


What "nothingness"? It must be you that thinks properties are being
attributed to nothingness here. Not I.

Hidden sectors, baby... hidden sectors! ;-) It is all part of the
"somethingness". It is not my fault that boundaries exist.

We only attribute properties to quantum objects and their interactions.
Everything else is emergent from that.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com

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Old November 22nd 06 posted to sci.math,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Sue...
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Posts: 9,401
Default Emergent Gravity Debates 1


FrediFizzx wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
ps.com...

FrediFizzx wrote:
"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that Waldyr is a strict formalist and does not think
physically. Waldyr, like all mathematicians, gives to much weight
to
rigorous proofs. Feynman and Einstein were not great
mathematicians.
Waldyr can train his students to be competent technicians in the
arcane formalisms but never will they invent a new physical idea of
importance. Look at Brian Josephson's discovery for example, it was
not a triumph of mathematics but of physical insight. The math is
rather trivial - complex numbers and trigonometry, some Bessel
functions perhaps. One thing that Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Tommy
Gold and Ed Salpeter encouraged at Cornell in late 50's and early
60's
was keep the math to a minimum. Similarly with Feynman and Wheeler
who
I had personal contact with.

That said, look at the Abrikosov vortex lattice in a Type II
superconductor


http://esmane.physics.lsa.umich.edu/...eal/sld007.htm

This is what you get with ONE Goldstone phase and TWO real Higgs
components.
This is from the first homotopy group that is non-trivial in 3D
space
to get stable line defects.

In contrast

With TWO Goldstone phases and THREE real Higgs components like in a
ferromagnet you get point defects, i.e. the lattice


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...ttice_1000.gif

And from this I get the quantum gravity holographic universe length
uncertainty ~ world lattice unit cell size

deltaL = Lp^2/3L^1/3

Note in a deSitter universe with negative pressure (positive) zero
point energy density (w = -1) /\zpf



http://static.flickr.com/45/138786356_f0f38747ef.jpg

The minimum throat has area

1//\zpf with entropy ~ 1//\zpfLp^2 BITS

/\zpf ~ dark energy density ~ 10^-56 cm^-2

N = 1//\zpfLp^2

N = (Point Defect Density)V = (Point Defect Density)/\zpf^-3/2

Therefore

(Point Defect Density) = /\zpf^1/2/Lp^2 = 1/(separation of point
defects)^3

separation of point defects ~ 1 fermi

Now anyone who does not find that pretty and intriguing is not a
physicist - not the kinds I knew at Cornell at least.


It is not that intriguing. Much more intriguing is getting a whole
range of "defects" that is produced by our hexagonal lattice
structure
that can possibly explain the mass spectrum of the Standard Model and
beyond.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com


Sigh... You insist on attributing properties to the nothingness before
we have used up all the properties in the somethingness. If your
friends don't conjure up a particle-pair soon, we're going to hack
into you URL's and rename them:
"Instruction manual for Feynman's fairies" )


What "nothingness"? It must be you that thinks properties are being
attributed to nothingness here. Not I.

Hidden sectors, baby... hidden sectors! ;-) It is all part of the
"somethingness". It is not my fault that boundaries exist.

We only attribute properties to quantum objects and their interactions.
Everything else is emergent from that.


Ya really should investigate what Maxwell hides and London reveals
since your dogs seem to be on that scent anyway.

Most quantum objects are imaginary so there shouldn't be much
you can't make. Could ya pack a good bottle of Chardonay with
my bottle of particle-pairs if it hasn't shipped yet ? )

Sue...


FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com


 




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