Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...



WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

[Henri Wilson]
IF THE EARTH STOPS ROTATING AS SOON AS THE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR, HOW DO
THE
CLOCKS 'KNOW' HOW TO ADJUST THEIR RATES SO THEY WILL NOW READ THE SAME
WHEN
REUNITED?

[Norman Bates]
Henri, I keep telling you that the speed of the planes change if the earth
stops. They go from flying at different speeds to flying at the same speed
and that's why the clocks will read the same. Can't you understand that?

"Norman Bates" wrote in message ...
| [Henri Wilson]
| IF THE EARTH STOPS ROTATING AS SOON AS THE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR, HOW DO
| THE
| CLOCKS 'KNOW' HOW TO ADJUST THEIR RATES SO THEY WILL NOW READ THE SAME
| WHEN
| REUNITED?
|
| [Norman Bates]
| Henri, I keep telling you that the speed of the planes change if the earth
| stops. They go from flying at different speeds to flying at the same speed
| and that's why the clocks will read the same. Can't you understand that?
|

I can't understand it. Explain it to me, psycho.
Androcles

"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...

We all know that the H&K experiment was totally inadequate, but the results
that were published were verified by later more accurate experiments, so
can we just refer to it as the H&K experiment and move on?
Norman Bates


WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

Norman Bates wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...

We all know that the H&K experiment was totally inadequate, but the results
that were published were verified by later more accurate experiments, so
can we just refer to it as the H&K experiment and move on?
Norman Bates

I never bring it up but when the H.G Wells fans offer it as
proof of an absurd interpretation of SR then is should be
challenged.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html
http://yost.com/misc/cargocult.html

The last I looked the first three letters of this n.g. are still
S-C-I.

Sue...




WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:21:01 +0200, "Norman Bates" wrote:

[Henri Wilson]
IF THE EARTH STOPS ROTATING AS SOON AS THE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR, HOW DO
THE
CLOCKS 'KNOW' HOW TO ADJUST THEIR RATES SO THEY WILL NOW READ THE SAME
WHEN
REUNITED?

[Norman Bates]
Henri, I keep telling you that the speed of the planes change if the earth
stops. They go from flying at different speeds to flying at the same speed
and that's why the clocks will read the same. Can't you understand that?

Don't be daft....

Use satellites outside the earth's atmosphere.

Same experiment.....

If the Earth's rotation speed changes, how do the clocks 'know' how much to
vary their rates?

The H&K is a joke....like all of relativity..


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

Sue... wrote:
Norman Bates wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...

We all know that the H&K experiment was totally inadequate, but the results
that were published were verified by later more accurate experiments, so
can we just refer to it as the H&K experiment and move on?
Norman Bates

I never bring it up but when the H.G Wells fans offer it as
proof of an absurd interpretation of SR then is should be
challenged.

H&K has nothing to do with SR, idiot.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html
http://yost.com/misc/cargocult.html

The last I looked the first three letters of this n.g. are still
S-C-I.

Sue...




WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:21:01 +0200, "Norman Bates" wrote:

[Henri Wilson]
IF THE EARTH STOPS ROTATING AS SOON AS THE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR, HOW DO
THE
CLOCKS 'KNOW' HOW TO ADJUST THEIR RATES SO THEY WILL NOW READ THE SAME
WHEN
REUNITED?

[Norman Bates]
Henri, I keep telling you that the speed of the planes change if the earth
stops. They go from flying at different speeds to flying at the same speed
and that's why the clocks will read the same. Can't you understand that?

Don't be daft....

Use satellites outside the earth's atmosphere.

Same experiment.....

If the Earth's rotation speed changes, how do the clocks 'know' how much to
vary their rates?

The H&K is a joke....like all of relativity..

So you have no actual objections to the H&K experiment, you just don't
like what would happen if the Earth suddenly stopped rotating?

Fortunately for you, the H&K experiment started with the Earth rotating
and ended with the Earth rotating.




HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

Eric Gisse wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Norman Bates wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...

We all know that the H&K experiment was totally inadequate, but the results
that were published were verified by later more accurate experiments, so
can we just refer to it as the H&K experiment and move on?
Norman Bates

I never bring it up but when the H.G Wells fans offer it as
proof of an absurd interpretation of SR then is should be
challenged.

H&K has nothing to do with SR, idiot.

The published outcome of the experiment was consistent
with special relativity, and the observed time gains and
losses were reportedly different from zero to a high degree
of confidence.

That result was contested by Dr. A. G. Kelly who examined
the raw data: according to him, the final published outcome
had to be averaged in a biased way in order to claim
such a high precision:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html
http://yost.com/misc/cargocult.html

Learn some physics:
Time-independent Maxwell equations
Time-dependent Maxwell's equations
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin.../lectures.html
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL...ight/index.htm

Sue...






The last I looked the first three letters of this n.g. are still
S-C-I.

Sue...




WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.

Sue... wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Norman Bates wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
[...]

"wow! if I make relativity sound stupid, it is just like I proved
relativity wrong!"


THIS SHOWS HOW NOINSENSICAL THE H&K REALLY IS.

Hafele and Keating is an EXPERIMENT that existed in real life. Your
"experiment" is a nonsensical through experiment whose only result is
highlighting the fantastic ignorance of its' creator.

H&K had no light path. It couldn't possibly test:
As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v;
as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses
between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but...
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html


Sue...

We all know that the H&K experiment was totally inadequate, but the results
that were published were verified by later more accurate experiments, so
can we just refer to it as the H&K experiment and move on?
Norman Bates

I never bring it up but when the H.G Wells fans offer it as
proof of an absurd interpretation of SR then is should be
challenged.

H&K has nothing to do with SR, idiot.

The published outcome of the experiment was consistent
with special relativity, and the observed time gains and
losses were reportedly different from zero to a high degree
of confidence.

No, the experiment was consistent with GR.

Do you know the difference between SR and GR?


That result was contested by Dr. A. G. Kelly who examined
the raw data: according to him, the final published outcome
had to be averaged in a biased way in order to claim
such a high precision:

The claims of the electrical engineer [why is it always an engineer]
have been debunked many, many times in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html
http://yost.com/misc/cargocult.html

Learn some physics:
Time-independent Maxwell equations
Time-dependent Maxwell's equations
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin.../lectures.html
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL...ight/index.htm

Oh look more irrelevant links.

It isn't a Sue post until there is a smattering of links that have
nothing to do with the topic at hand.


Sue...






The last I looked the first three letters of this n.g. are still
S-C-I.

Sue...




WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

Why would he? All you are doing is attempting to phrase relativity in a
stupid way even though you have no concept of what relativity is or
what it predicts.

Your attempts to invalidate an experiment you disagree with is childish
and transparent. The Earth, believe it or not, did not stop rotating in
the H&K experiment. Stop pretending it did.




Paul


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Thank christ there is one genuine physicist on the NG.