LS,

Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
transported faster than the speed of light. The speed with which two
"connected" photons communicate their polarization status is infinite,
which means - at least in principle - that timing pulses can be sent to
every corner of the universe without any delaying factor. So absolute
time does exist after all.

This is the final blow to the Theory of Special Relativity (SR for
short). SR claims that if two clocks A and B are moving with regard to
each other, B goes slower in the perception of A, and A goes slower in
the perception of B. The only excuse to maintain this contradiction has
always been the assumption that there were no fast enough communication
means to reveal this contradiction.

However, with immediate communication of timing information there is
"absolute time", and each clock in the universe has a speed in relation
to absolute time. If clock A is twice as slow as absolute time and
clock B is four times slower than absolute time, then clock A is twice
as fast as clock B, and clock B twice as slow as clock A. Ordinary
arithmetic is applicable to the speed of clocks.

There is a "zero" inertial frame and this inertial frame represents
absolute motionlessness. Motion with regard to "zero" is absolute and
not relative. It can be detected by comparing one's clock against
absolute time. If your clock is going very slowly, chances are that
your speed is close to the speed of light. The "zero" inertial frame is
also known as "aether".

The conclusion is that - contrary to Einstein's claims - time is
absolute (i.e. there is absolute time with which every event in the
universe can be synchronized) and movement is absolute. Every movement
can be related to a measurable zero inertial frame, in which all clocks
walk fastest.

So the name of this forum is even wrong. There *IS* no relativity in
time and velocity. All time and all velocity can be compared with
absolute and measurable standards.

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LS,

Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
transported faster than the speed of light. The speed with which two
"connected" photons communicate their polarization status is infinite,
which means - at least in principle - that timing pulses can be sent to
every corner of the universe without any delaying factor. So absolute
time does exist after all.

Suppose I have two pieces of paper.
I write 0 or 1 on one piece and give it to you.
I write the same number on the other piece and
give it to your brother.
Your brother travels to wherever.
You both have a piece of paper with the same
number on it.
How would go about using this in practice
or -in principle- to transport information faster
than light?

Dirk Vdm

wrote:
Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
transported faster than the speed of light.

This is not true. None of these experiments transfer INFORMATION faster
than c.


The speed with which two
"connected" photons communicate their polarization status is infinite,
which means - at least in principle - that timing pulses can be sent to
every corner of the universe without any delaying factor. So absolute
time does exist after all.

Again, not true. There need be no "communication" between photons in
correlated spin states to explain the existing experiments. Indeed, this
correlation can NOT be used to transfer information BETWEEN THE TWO
PHOTONS. Information can be transferred WITH each photon [#], and hence
with speed = c.

[#] for these spin-correlation experiments; not in general.


This is the final blow to the Theory of Special Relativity [...]

Nope. To do that for this case requires actual information transfer with
speed faster than c, and _NONE_ of these experiments do so.


You need to read more than the sensational headlines, and more than
sound-bite summaries in non-technical magazines and comic books. You
also need to learn what SR actually says, rather than making the many
mistakes contained in the rest of your post.


Tom Roberts

wrote in message
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| LS,
|
| Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
| transported faster than the speed of light. The speed with which two
| "connected" photons communicate their polarization status is infinite,
| which means - at least in principle - that timing pulses can be sent to
| every corner of the universe without any delaying factor. So absolute
| time does exist after all.
|
| This is the final blow to the Theory of Special Relativity (SR for
| short). SR claims that if two clocks A and B are moving with regard to
| each other, B goes slower in the perception of A, and A goes slower in
| the perception of B. The only excuse to maintain this contradiction has
| always been the assumption that there were no fast enough communication
| means to reveal this contradiction.
|
| However, with immediate communication of timing information there is
| "absolute time", and each clock in the universe has a speed in relation
| to absolute time. If clock A is twice as slow as absolute time and
| clock B is four times slower than absolute time, then clock A is twice
| as fast as clock B, and clock B twice as slow as clock A. Ordinary
| arithmetic is applicable to the speed of clocks.
|
| There is a "zero" inertial frame and this inertial frame represents
| absolute motionlessness. Motion with regard to "zero" is absolute and
| not relative. It can be detected by comparing one's clock against
| absolute time. If your clock is going very slowly, chances are that
| your speed is close to the speed of light. The "zero" inertial frame is
| also known as "aether".
|
| The conclusion is that - contrary to Einstein's claims - time is
| absolute (i.e. there is absolute time with which every event in the
| universe can be synchronized) and movement is absolute. Every movement
| can be related to a measurable zero inertial frame, in which all clocks
| walk fastest.
|
| So the name of this forum is even wrong. There *IS* no relativity in
| time and velocity. All time and all velocity can be compared with
| absolute and measurable standards.

Does that mean you can convince the Pope that Jesus Einstein
was not born of a virgin and the persuade the tooth fairy there is
no Santa Claus?
Dork Van be merde will be very upset if you take away his toys.
Little puppies love fairy tales.
Given:
The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation
corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the
ground state of the cesium 133 atom. -- NIST, Dork Van de Psycho.

A year is 9,192,631,770 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365.2425 periods of the
radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels
of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom. -- Wackypedia

"So if T = 5 years and v = 0.8c, then the stay at home twin will
have aged 10 years while his travelling twin sister will have aged
6 years." -- Dork Van de Psycho.
(5 years is 10 years or 6 years, I'm not sure which).

"Time is what a clock says" Dork Van de ****head.


Now for the stupid question.
What happened to the missing 1,160,365,758,078,260,000 periods of
the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine
levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom's prodigal twin sister?

--
Der alte Hexenmeister und Engineer
Androcles Dumbledore B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D.,
Headmaster, hogwarts.physics school for zauberlehrlings.
"One muggle's magic is another sorcerer's engineering"

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Androcles

"Dirk Van de moortel" wrote
in message ...
|
| wrote in message
oups.com...
| LS,
|
| Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
| transported faster than the speed of light. The speed with which two
| "connected" photons communicate their polarization status is infinite,
| which means - at least in principle - that timing pulses can be sent to
| every corner of the universe without any delaying factor. So absolute
| time does exist after all.
|
| Suppose I have two pieces of paper.

LOL!
Wipe your arse, then, you can't answer this, ****head:
Given:
The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation
corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the
ground state of the cesium 133 atom. -- NIST, Dork Van de Psycho.

A year is 9,192,631,770 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365.2425 periods of the
radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels
of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom. -- Wackypedia

"So if T = 5 years and v = 0.8c, then the stay at home twin will
have aged 10 years while his travelling twin sister will have aged
6 years." -- Dork Van de Psycho.
(5 years is 10 years or 6 years, I'm not sure which).

"Time is what a clock says" Dork Van de ****head.


Now for the stupid question.
What happened to the missing 1,160,365,758,078,260,000 periods of
the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine
levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom's prodigal twin sister?

--
Der alte Hexenmeister und Engineer
Androcles Dumbledore B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D.,
Headmaster, hogwarts.physics school for zauberlehrlings.
"One muggle's magic is another sorcerer's engineering"

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

"Tom Roberts" wrote in message
om...
| wrote:
| Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
| transported faster than the speed of light.
|
| This is not true.

Yes it is. You should STUDY. shrug
This is PHYSICS, not math or logic, "proof" has nothing to do with it.
shrug
Your words, troll. Eat 'em.

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From time to time there is an idiot grandstaning like you. You can go
away now.

wrote in message
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LS,

Experiments with quantum mechanics have shown that information can be
transported faster than the speed of light.

Wrong.

The speed with which two "connected" photons communicate their
polarization
status is infinite,

Wrong.
http://quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CHS/quest.html
'Is quantum mechanics nonlocal? This depends on what one means by
"nonlocal." Two separated quantum systems A and B can be in an entangled
state that lacks any classical analog. However, it is better to think of
this as a nonclassical rather than as a nonlocal state, since doing
something to system A cannot have any influence on system B as long as the
two are sufficiently far apart. In particular, quantum theory gives no
support to the notion that the world is infested by mysterious long-range
influences that propagate faster thaan the speed of light. Claims to the
contrary are based upon an inconsistent or inadequate formulations of
quantum principles, typically with reference to measurements. (Also see
measurements, Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen.)'

I suspect you are getting your information from popularisations of dubious
reliability. Use standard texts instead such as Griffith's cited above.
Not to be confused with the other well known Griffith's textbook on QM;
which by reputation is also excellent - but is not primarily concerned with
interpretation.

Rest Snipped

Bill

Tom Roberts schreef:

This is not true. None of these experiments transfer INFORMATION faster
than c.

I have multiple articles and books in which these experiments are
described. Information is massless. Mass cannot move faster than c, but
information as such can. Connected particles can exchange information
about spin and polarization immediately, i.e. infinitely fast.

Again, not true. There need be no "communication" between photons in
correlated spin states to explain the existing experiments. Indeed, this
correlation can NOT be used to transfer information BETWEEN THE TWO
PHOTONS. Information can be transferred WITH each photon [#], and hence
with speed = c.

NO! Both connected photons travel first and polarization is fixed on
the destiny of one photon. This state, which can be use to transport
one bit of information, is then communicated without any delay to the
connected photon.

You need to read more than the sensational headlines, and more than
sound-bite summaries in non-technical magazines and comic books. You
also need to learn what SR actually says, rather than making the many
mistakes contained in the rest of your post.

SR is dead anyway, because there is no solution for the
twin-contradiction.

wrote in message
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|
| Tom Roberts schreef:
|
| This is not true. None of these experiments transfer INFORMATION faster
| than c.
|
| I have multiple articles and books in which these experiments are
| described. Information is massless. Mass cannot move faster than c, but
| information as such can. Connected particles can exchange information
| about spin and polarization immediately, i.e. infinitely fast.
|
| Again, not true. There need be no "communication" between photons in
| correlated spin states to explain the existing experiments. Indeed, this
| correlation can NOT be used to transfer information BETWEEN THE TWO
| PHOTONS. Information can be transferred WITH each photon [#], and hence
| with speed = c.
|
| NO! Both connected photons travel first and polarization is fixed on
| the destiny of one photon. This state, which can be use to transport
| one bit of information, is then communicated without any delay to the
| connected photon.
|
| You need to read more than the sensational headlines, and more than
| sound-bite summaries in non-technical magazines and comic books. You
| also need to learn what SR actually says, rather than making the many
| mistakes contained in the rest of your post.
|
| SR is dead anyway, because there is no solution for the
| twin-contradiction.
|

It was still-born, like Roberts' brain.