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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process. The aether
is one, and because of that, the universe is also one. All frames
within the observable universe are related by the aether, through the
aether. All frames depend, in every way, on the aether.

Relativity can only refer to relative time or length because it is the
description of a whole where objects are physically and energetically
dependent on each other. In other words, if an object could be
conceived to be accelerating in a perfectly empty void, independently
from any object or frame of reference, it could not and would not
experience any changes in time or length, but because objects are
embedded in a continuous field, a metric which represents the whole,
and because the whole's energy is finite, objects exhibit relativistic
effects in relation to other objects. It is a property of the whole
which arises from a physical need to abide by the laws of
thermodynamics and its homogeneity (isotropy).

This is probably what triggered Einstein's interest in Bohm's
'undivided wholeness'. He understood that for there to be a continuum,
and for Relativity to hold, the Universe must be conceived as a whole.
He eventually became a Pantheist, he simply saw no other choice. Why
else would an object's dimensions depend on its surroundings if it
wasn't for this wholeness?

Einstein presented a different notion of the universe with his 1920
essay "Ether and the Theory of Relativity". What he termed the
'gravitational ether' came from a completely different idea. Motion and
particulation, he said, can't be applied as properties of the aether
because it is one and has no components.

This oneness explains action at a distance and inertia. CMBR is
material, and Einstein's aether is physical but immaterial. First there
needs to be an aether before we can have fields, spacetime, matter or a
CMBR.

Physical because it helps determine ratios like the permittivity and
permeability of free space. Ratios on which the existence and behavior
of all fields entirely depend. Without fields you can't have any type
of matter/particle. And immaterial because it lacks properties like
extension or motion, it does not move and it has no parts or components
in the material sense.

Extension is a material property not applicable to the aether. Density
is also a non-applicable property when defining the aether, it is only
applicable when describing matter. Space (CMBR) is material. Space and
matter are inseparable, and properties like density and extension do
apply.

If the aether were not physically finite, then why would we still have
isotropy and covariance when describing the motion of a material system
under acceleration? Still, it can be conceived as infinitely divisible,
simply, because it is immaterial.

Because the aether is physically finite, matter is also finite at any
given moment, but infinite as a function of time and transformation.
Nature is a perpetual motion machine.

But we have to be careful with meanings here. What Einstein was
referring to as 'empty space' is more akin to nothingness than the
empty space we usually talk about. Remember that at the time Einstein
wrote his 1920 essay "The Ether and the Theory of Relativity", QED was
probably only a crackpot's dream. He thought that, in order to obtain
an empty space, it was possible to extract all matter from a given
volume. It wasn't until Timothy Boyer that we began to understand the
different meanings of 'empty space'.

We must not to confuse the concept of space outlined by QED with
Einstein's gravitational aether. EMR and ZPR are observable, material
phenomena, with mechanical properties, like density and pressure. The
gravitational aether is a physical but non-material, non-measurable,
non-observable, yet, very real substance.

Problems arise when you fail to grasp the notion, which arises from
Relativity, that space doesn't exist by itself, neither does time, nor
matter, space is an extension of matter. Space tells matter what to do,
and matter tells space what to do. I am not saying they are not real,
they are as real as they can be. They just can't exist independently
from each other.

Einstein said that when trying to define the aether we need to put
aside our notions of movement, extension, size... the future, or the
past. He also said this substance lacks all the properties of matter.
Yet, all matter emerged and is ruled from it.

The beauty is in its simplicity - "The aether is a physical but
non-material substance..." - it is a substance but it is not material,
therefore it does not exist in spacetime. Being is not the same as
existing.

We can't ascribe a property like extension to the aether because the
aether is immaterial. The aether is, but it doesn't exist in spacetime,
therefore, it isn't bound by spacetime rules. Extension is a property
only applicable to material objects existing in spacetime.

If the aether were to be a truly all-pervading substance, which were
inside and outside of all matter, why would it need the property of
motion? Motion and time are for objects, for parts in spacetime which
can be described by timelines.

The aether is everywhere, it is the set that contains all other sets,
the set of all sets. It is the circle Zeno, Bruno, Pascal and Borges
once talked about, a circle whose circumference is everywhere and the
center nowhere. It is not dependent on geometry, but helps determine
the geometry of spacetime.

Local events are bound by the rules of spacetime, like linearity,
causality and determinism. Non-local effects are not really happening
in spacetime, they happen at the aether level, and are not bound by the
rules of spacetime.

Einstein's Gravitational Aether is more akin to Newton's absolute space
than most people think (this is why he sees it as background free), but
it is imbued with Mach's reciprocity between matter and space, and
relativation. It is Newton's absolute space mixed with Mach's aether.

There isn't an absolute time because there is no preferred frame, the
aether is immaterial, and materially speaking, the universe is
background free.

How could a non-material aether represent a preferred frame if it lacks
any landmarks or coordinates?

The aether is not material, therefore, it can't represent a background.
Because the aether is immaterial, it can't be quantized like material
space. The aether is before spacetime. Einstein was correct in his
claim of a background free universe, the aether lacks any landmarks,
therefore can't even be called a reference frame, it is immaterial.
Einstein's gravitational aether does not represent an absolute frame.

Can we take a direct measurement of something which is not matter?

The only thing proven by the MMX was that they didn't understand the
aether's nature.

[You want to measure drag caused by the aether? Just measure a moving
object's momentum... or measure the force needed to accelerate that
same object... that's it, that's aether caused drag!]

Einstein, as the master of process and continuity that he was, proved
that there can't be this bunch of separated rigid bodies (Newton's
billiard ball model) and invented - the spacetime continuum - a
continuos field from which all of reality emerges as objects interact
with each other. This continuos field is the basis for his GTR.

He also realized that there can't be an absolute frame of reference, it
would invalidate Relativity. Relativity is possible because the aether
is infinitely divisible. Time and length contractions are real. They
need to be in order for the equivalency principle and the laws of
thermodynamics to hold. There is no need for an absolute frame of
reference when you have an infinitely divisible substrate from which
everything emerges. The aether is a is spatially unbounded physically
finite substance.

If material space (CMBR) were primary, then spatial extensions wouldn't
be variable, but it isn't, material space is a product, not a
fundamental or primary component of reality, and that is precisely what
is claimed by Relativity. In spacetime, space-like separations are
supposed to be relative.

For reality to take place, physical laws must remain constant,
independently from the inertial frame, and because the aether is
physically finite, there must be space contractions and time dilations
in relation to slower moving inertial frames. Even though proportions
and ratios are kept constant, dimensions are constantly adjusted to fit
each inertial frame.

Take this relationship for example:

c = 1/sqr(Uo*Ep) ----- (where Uo is the permeability and Ep is the
permittivity)

The only reason this relationship holds true is because the speed of
light (and of all electromagnetic phenomena) is determined at the
aether level. It remains constant in all frames because it is not
dependent on a coordinate system like matter with mass is.

Since ratios like permeability and permittivity are determined at the
aether level, and the aether is immaterial and not bound by spacetime
laws, c can be frame independent.

The speed of light sets the scales, and because energy is physically
finite there are time dilations and length contractions in relation to
other inertial frames. This is where the principles of relativity and
equivalency come from.

Lorentz invariant values originate at the aether level, they are real
but non-material effects which help determine Lorentz invariant
geometrical properties of objects. They are a set of ratios determined
at the aether scale; frame independent constants.

The aether helps determine things like the ratio of the electric
displacement in free space, to the intensity of the electric field
producing it (e0), or the ratio of the magnetic flux density, in free
space, to the external field strength, (m0). But it itself is not
observable, you can't say - here, lets take a look at this aether! -
because it is immaterial. Real but not in spacetime, hence, not
perceptible. This is why MMX failed so miserably.

We are effectively just talking about the vacuum state of any quantum
field theory. Our concept of an "aether" has been integrated into
physics for a very long time. But is that vacuum considered a thing? Is
it real even though it isn't material? I suppose it is, since, how
could it be in any given state if it wasn't real? It is real and it's
called the aether.

When you have a magnet with its surrounding field we say that that
field is made of particles going from one end of the magnet to the
other, but what determines the path of those particles, the direction
of propagation, the force lines, is the gravitational aether.

Fields and matter are observable, measurable, the aether is not. Fields
have a geometric structure, the aether does not. When you describe a
field you may talk about intensity, density, size or magnitude, but
none of those concepts can be properly applied to the description of
Einstein's gravitational aether.

GTR is an idealization of reality, a method, a mathematicians trick to
eliminate all local degrees of freedom (uncertainty). Smoothout
spacetime and you get theories like Relativity, String Theory, TQFT to
work. But there really is a background of cosmic microwave radiation
(CMBR), without which there would be no material space.

According to Timothy Boyer, the CMBR is constituted by at least two
different spectrums, one is noisy and expanding while the other is
self-organizing and condensing. One exhibits negative gravitation, the
other positive gravitation. From one, space is created, from the other,
matter. Matter waves are constantly inwardly flowing into matter while
heat and light are outwardly flowing away from matter. There is a
continuos condensation and expansion of space particles (CMBR) taking
place.

Material space is made from two very special types of particles, among
many others, one of which resists compression and exhibits
negative-gravitation (thermal radiation, light) while the other is
infinitely compressible and exhibits positive-gravitation (ZPR, dark
matter).

Boyer described the ZPR as fundamental to material space, and thermal
radiation as a product generated by the motion of ZPR particles which
in turn are buffeted back into motion by this thermal radiation which
they themselves had produced, providing the basis for a perpetual
motion system and solving the riddle of infinite energies coming from
space. [Puthoff, Haisch and Rueda]

Space particles (dark matter) are carried by matter-selective, inwardly
flowing quanta, in an electrical current. Just like electrons are moved
by electromotive forces. Now, if material space is made from particles,
then it may be subject to changes in pressure and density, like a gas.
Therefore, if space particles carried by matter waves continuously
condense into material objects, that would mean that the closer you get
to the object, the denser space would become as a function of the
object's mass and radius, explaining why gravitic pressure, as
described in flowing space theories, also obeys the inverse square law.


The gravitational field, as described by Einstein, is continuos, what
is quantized is the CMBR. As morphic fields (as well as other fields)
surrounding rotating bodies cut through the CMBR, there is a friction
which creates matter-waves, just as EMR is created when you shake an
electron. These matter-waves, or matter selective quanta, are pulled in
by an electromotive force orthogonal to the direction of rotation of
bodies, inwardly pulling ZPR particles (which are components of the
total make up of the CMBR) to the center of the system. This process
depends on the characteristics of the matter-waves, which in turn
depend on the characteristics of the rotating body. This model explains
why some planets have greater concentrations of some elements than
others.


[The term aether was re-introduced early in the 20th century by
scientists like Einstein and others as they were trying to describe a
substance, a thing. Calling it aether, they thought, would be less
controversial than calling God a thing.]

--
Laurent

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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.


No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether


Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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Bill Hobba wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.


No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether


Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


Is empty space real?

Can it be detected?

--
Laurent

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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:26:24 -0800, Laurent wrote:


Bill Hobba wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.


No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether


Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


Is empty space real?

Can it be detected?


Yes, it is a really convenient place
to put things.

Regards
The

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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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[rant snipped]

Both aether and Einstein's crap are useless theories, dickhead.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...er/Doppler.htm

Androcles.




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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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Bill Hobba wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.


No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether


Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


If objects in space are energetically independent from each other,
then, why is there covariance?

But if they are dependent, then, how do they relate to each other at a
distance, through empty space? Isn't the space between objects full of
particles (photons, radiation)? Is radiation what relates them, is that
how they communicate between each other so, given a frame of reference,
they all get to agree? Or are you one of those who thinks the twins
paradox is a numbers game a nothing more?

--
Laurent

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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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"Laurent" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill Hobba wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.


No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether


Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


Is empty space real?

Can it be detected?


Yes, and it's not exactly "empty" - as attested by Maxwell, Einstein etc.
The modern buzzword is "quantum vacuum".

Harald


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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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Sorcerer wrote:
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[rant snipped]

Both aether and Einstein's crap are useless theories, dickhead.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...er/Doppler.htm

Androcles.


Right, that's why they aren't necessary to put probes on Jupiter or
make GPS satellites work, I know... meathead!

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Old November 10th 06 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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harry wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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Bill Hobba wrote:
"Laurent" wrote in message
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The Aether and Relativity


The reason that, in spacetime, frames must be related is because it all
comes from a single entity, reality is one single process.

No - it is because objective reality demands the transformations
mathematically form a group.

The aether

Has never been detected so is not part of modern science.

Rest of word salid snipped.

Bill


Is empty space real?

Can it be detected?


Yes, and it's not exactly "empty" - as attested by Maxwell, Einstein etc.
The modern buzzword is "quantum vacuum".

Harald


It is empty because it is immaterial, but has physical qualities. It
also lacks the property of motion, so it can't be described as
containing parts that follow a time line. The universe is background
free and there is no fixed or absolute frame of reference, nor absolute
time.

--
Laurent

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"Laurent" wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| "Laurent" wrote in message
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| Both aether and Einstein's crap are useless theories, dickhead.
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...er/Doppler.htm
|
| Androcles.
|
| Right, that's why they aren't necessary to put probes on Jupiter or
| make GPS satellites work, I know... meathead!

Absolutely correct, ****wit, neither one of them.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm

Androcles



 




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