On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:03:20 GMT, "Sorcerer"
wrote:


"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .
| On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:42:28 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:22:36 GMT, "Sorcerer"
|
| | wrote:
|
| | So tell ME. What does it tell YOU?
|
| Understand something. This is deep ****. You won't find this in
| any text book, but Ritz was mighty close.
|
| http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/paradigm
| 3 : a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or
| discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the
| experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly : a
| philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind
|
| My views require a paradigm shift, as they do with c+v vs Einstein.
|
|
| Tell me how you measure mass first and I'll explain it in terms you
| can understand. The Bohr atom is mostly empty space. There is
| force going on, but not much else.
|
| Mass and 'fields' are much the same thing.

Ok, so it DID tell YOU something.
Now tell me how you measure mass.


|
|
| |
| | For simplicity and given:
| | all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
| | all sats have a reliable clock
| | the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.
| |
| | Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
| | 0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.
| |
| | Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
| | It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.
| |
| | This is just a tad harder.
| | Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| |
| | Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| | How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| | Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| | one minute later resolve the two positions?
| | Why would you care about the second position anyway?
| |
| | If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| | If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| | electronics you can build your own receiver.
| | Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| | Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| | You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| | and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| | For help, see
| | http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| | Androcles
| |
| |
| | Don't rave. Answer the question, her engineer.
|
| I prefer
| "Herr Hexenmeister Androcles Dumbledore BA., M.Sc. Ph.D, Headmaster,
| hogwarts.physics"
| for my title if you want to be formal, otherwise "Androcles" will do, her
| physicist.
|
|
| | How much does light accelerate in falling from 26000 kms to ground
level?
|
| There is no such animal as 26000 kms or even 1 kms, ****ing senile old
wabo.
| I've already told you, 9.8 metres/sec^2.
|
| | Hint: how much does a lump of lead fired at the Earth at c accelerate?
| |
| **** off, I don't heed or need your dumb hints.
| 9.8 metres/sec^2, found empirically.
| What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
|
| Listen you stupid old drunken pommie *******, the acceleration due to
gravity
| is NOT anything like 9.8 m/s2 at 20000 kms from Earth.
|
| I think you should join geesey in his first year physics course....

No, you don't think.
What the **** is kms?

|
| Hint: It tells me he's ****in' senile or ****in' drunk.
| ROFL!
|
| Geez, you'll be embarrassed by this crap when you sober up....

I'm quite sober. What the **** is kms, you ****witted red-faced old ****pot?

Take a trip cross the channel and ask a frog what a 'kilometre' is.


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 06:29:30 -0500, "Len Gaasenbeek"
wrote:

To all,

Let us suppose that A stands on top of a tower and drops pebbles to B who
stands at the bottom of the tower. Next let us suppose that it takes 1/2
second for each pebble to travel from A to B.
At noon A drops the first pebble which reaches B 1/2 second later.
At one second after noon A drops the second pebble which reaches B at 1 1/2
seconds after noon.
At two seconds after noon A drops the third pebble which reaches B at 2 1/2
seconds after noon and so on.

You will notice from the above that A drops a pebble at one second intervals
and that B receives a pebble at one second intervals. Q.E.D.

What do you think of my anination of this:

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/fallingwave.exe

Len Gaasenbeek.
................................................. .............

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:42:28 GMT, "Sorcerer"

wrote:


"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .
| On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:22:36 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:

| So tell ME. What does it tell YOU?

Understand something. This is deep ****. You won't find this in
any text book, but Ritz was mighty close.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/paradigm
3 : a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or
discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the
experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly : a
philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind

My views require a paradigm shift, as they do with c+v vs Einstein.


Tell me how you measure mass first and I'll explain it in terms you
can understand. The Bohr atom is mostly empty space. There is
force going on, but not much else.

Mass and 'fields' are much the same thing.


|
| For simplicity and given:
| all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
| all sats have a reliable clock
| the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
| 0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.
|
| Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
| It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.
|
| This is just a tad harder.
| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
|
| Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| one minute later resolve the two positions?
| Why would you care about the second position anyway?
|
| If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| electronics you can build your own receiver.
| Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| For help, see
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| Androcles
|
|
| Don't rave. Answer the question, her engineer.

I prefer
"Herr Hexenmeister Androcles Dumbledore BA., M.Sc. Ph.D, Headmaster,
hogwarts.physics"
for my title if you want to be formal, otherwise "Androcles" will do, her
physicist.


| How much does light accelerate in falling from 26000 kms to ground
level?

There is no such animal as 26000 kms or even 1 kms, ****ing senile old
wabo.
I've already told you, 9.8 metres/sec^2.

| Hint: how much does a lump of lead fired at the Earth at c accelerate?
|
**** off, I don't heed or need your dumb hints.
9.8 metres/sec^2, found empirically.
What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?

Listen you stupid old drunken pommie *******, the acceleration due to
gravity
is NOT anything like 9.8 m/s2 at 20000 kms from Earth.

I think you should join geesey in his first year physics course....

Hint: It tells me he's ****in' senile or ****in' drunk.
ROFL!

Geez, you'll be embarrassed by this crap when you sober up....

Androcles



HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the
latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.



HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:03:20 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:42:28 GMT, "Sorcerer"
|
| | wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| | .. .
| | | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:22:36 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| |
| | | wrote:
| |
| | | So tell ME. What does it tell YOU?
| |
| | Understand something. This is deep ****. You won't find this in
| | any text book, but Ritz was mighty close.
| |
| | http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/paradigm
| | 3 : a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school
or
| | discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the
| | experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly : a
| | philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind
| |
| | My views require a paradigm shift, as they do with c+v vs Einstein.
| |
| |
| | Tell me how you measure mass first and I'll explain it in terms you
| | can understand. The Bohr atom is mostly empty space. There is
| | force going on, but not much else.
| |
| | Mass and 'fields' are much the same thing.
|
| Ok, so it DID tell YOU something.
| Now tell me how you measure mass.
|
|
| |
| |
| | |
| | | For simplicity and given:
| | | all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
| | | all sats have a reliable clock
| | | the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.
| | |
| | | Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | | Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
| | | 0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.
| | |
| | | Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
| | | It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.
| | |
| | | This is just a tad harder.
| | | Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | | Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | | at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| | |
| | | Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| | | How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| | | Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| | | one minute later resolve the two positions?
| | | Why would you care about the second position anyway?
| | |
| | | If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| | | If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| | | electronics you can build your own receiver.
| | | Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| | | Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| | | You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| | | and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| | | For help, see
| | | http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| | | Androcles
| | |
| | |
| | | Don't rave. Answer the question, her engineer.
| |
| | I prefer
| | "Herr Hexenmeister Androcles Dumbledore BA., M.Sc. Ph.D, Headmaster,
| | hogwarts.physics"
| | for my title if you want to be formal, otherwise "Androcles" will do,
her
| | physicist.
| |
| |
| | | How much does light accelerate in falling from 26000 kms to ground
| level?
| |
| | There is no such animal as 26000 kms or even 1 kms, ****ing senile old
| wabo.
| | I've already told you, 9.8 metres/sec^2.
| |
| | | Hint: how much does a lump of lead fired at the Earth at c
accelerate?
| | |
| | **** off, I don't heed or need your dumb hints.
| | 9.8 metres/sec^2, found empirically.
| | What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
| |
| | Listen you stupid old drunken pommie *******, the acceleration due to
| gravity
| | is NOT anything like 9.8 m/s2 at 20000 kms from Earth.
| |
| | I think you should join geesey in his first year physics course....
|
| No, you don't think.
| What the **** is kms?
|
| |
| | Hint: It tells me he's ****in' senile or ****in' drunk.
| | ROFL!
| |
| | Geez, you'll be embarrassed by this crap when you sober up....
|
| I'm quite sober. What the **** is kms, you ****witted red-faced old
****pot?
|
| Take a trip cross the channel and ask a frog what a 'kilometre' is.

I want to know what as kilometre.second (kms) is, yous seniles olds goats.
Is thinks yous shoulds joins geeseys ins hises firsts years physicses
courses....
For simplicity and given:
all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
all sats have a reliable clock
the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.

Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.

Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.

This is just a tad harder.
Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
one minute later resolve the two positions?
Why would you care about the second position anyway?

If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
electronics you can build your own receiver.
Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
For help, see
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
Androcles

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
...

| What do you think of my anination of this:
|
| www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/fallingwave.exe.


Not bad, it shows wavelength is proportional to velocity
with constant frequency.

The top counter should be ahead of the bottom counter by 16,
you have 16 missing tick fairies.

You scored five out of ten.
Fix the counter and show it to Tusselad.


http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...escatalina.gif

My wave falls sideways. Like you I have a constant frequency and
changing velocity. Of course I'm using the PoR and moving
the Earth rather than the car. What do you think of my animation?
Jealous, huh?
I have an animation of a photon following a wave, too.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde.../AC/stream.gif
The energy path looks like this:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/RifleB.JPG
The x-axis is into the screen.

Androcles

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:19:00 GMT, "Sorcerer"
wrote:


"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .

| What do you think of my anination of this:
|
| www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/fallingwave.exe.


Not bad, it shows wavelength is proportional to velocity
with constant frequency.

The top counter should be ahead of the bottom counter by 16,
you have 16 missing tick fairies.

You scored five out of ten.
Fix the counter and show it to Tusselad.

Tusselad is a ******....
He can't even understand that N = N.


http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...escatalina.gif

My wave falls sideways. Like you I have a constant frequency and
changing velocity. Of course I'm using the PoR and moving
the Earth rather than the car. What do you think of my animation?
Jealous, huh?

All it tells me is that the roads in Britain are pretty lousey. We prefer flat
roads in OZ.

I have an animation of a photon following a wave, too.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde.../AC/stream.gif

Nah! The two fields should be in phase. Ask Maxwell.

The energy path looks like this:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/RifleB.JPG
The x-axis is into the screen.

You stole that idea from Len. ..it's his helical wave model....


Androcles


......How much did the poms pay the referee last night?


HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:46:47 GMT, "Sorcerer"
wrote:


"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .
| On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:03:20 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|


| | **** off, I don't heed or need your dumb hints.
| | 9.8 metres/sec^2, found empirically.
| | What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
| |
| | Listen you stupid old drunken pommie *******, the acceleration due to
| gravity
| | is NOT anything like 9.8 m/s2 at 20000 kms from Earth.
| |
| | I think you should join geesey in his first year physics course....
|
| No, you don't think.
| What the **** is kms?
|
| |
| | Hint: It tells me he's ****in' senile or ****in' drunk.
| | ROFL!
| |
| | Geez, you'll be embarrassed by this crap when you sober up....
|
| I'm quite sober. What the **** is kms, you ****witted red-faced old
****pot?
|
| Take a trip cross the channel and ask a frog what a 'kilometre' is.

I want to know what as kilometre.second (kms) is, yous seniles olds goats.

****ing idiot.
In English, we add an 's' for plural....

'kms' are lots of km

Is thinks yous shoulds joins geeseys ins hises firsts years physicses
courses....
For simplicity and given:
all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
all sats have a reliable clock
the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.

Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.

Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.

This is just a tad harder.
Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
one minute later resolve the two positions?
Why would you care about the second position anyway?

Triangulation gives one's location on a flat surface. Four bits of information
are required to do the same on a 3D surface...although triangulation is pretty
accurate on the Earth's fairly flat surface.



If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
electronics you can build your own receiver.
Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
For help, see
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
Androcles

...and as I just reminded Tusselad, the US feeds misinformation like the 'GR
correction' bull**** to the opposition to make sure their systems don't work
properly....



HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:19:00 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| .. .
|
| | What do you think of my anination of this:
| |
| | www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/fallingwave.exe.
|
|
| Not bad, it shows wavelength is proportional to velocity
| with constant frequency.
|
| The top counter should be ahead of the bottom counter by 16,
| you have 16 missing tick fairies.
|
| You scored five out of ten.
| Fix the counter and show it to Tusselad.
|
| Tusselad is a ******....
| He can't even understand that N = N.


I totally agree.
He can't understand that the letter Z is the letter N turned 90 degrees
but has the same numeric value.

The grinning ape said to that other ******, Russell:
"I think [Androcles] actually believes that because
B_y(ct, t) = 0, then B_y(x,t) = 0 for all x and t. :-)"

He can't understand x = ct either.

Anyway, I'm glad you've shown that a diffraction grating
only shows frequency, not wavelength, as I've said all along.


|
|
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...escatalina.gif
|
| My wave falls sideways. Like you I have a constant frequency and
| changing velocity. Of course I'm using the PoR and moving
| the Earth rather than the car. What do you think of my animation?
| Jealous, huh?
|
| All it tells me is that the roads in Britain are pretty lousey. We prefer
flat
| roads in OZ.


The pictures are of Catalina Island, off the coast of Los Angeles.
Only golf carts allowed, I was breaking California law when I made that gif.
If you want to see bad roads, go to Pittsburgh. They'll be freezing
at night and thawing during the day this time of year, ideal conditions
for ripping them up. Water in a crevice expands when it becomes ice.
Neighbouring West Virginia and Ohio have much better roads than
Pennsylvania, their politicians are less corrupt. Not by much, but slightly.
As for Britain, the M25 is flat and that's the largest car park in the
world.
http://www.adrian.warnock.info/2004/...raffic-jam.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3...343_m25300.jpg





|
| I have an animation of a photon following a wave, too.
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde.../AC/stream.gif
|
| Nah! The two fields should be in phase. Ask Maxwell.

I did. Maxwell said the same as Faraday, curl Z = -dN/dt, he did
not say curl Z = N.
Now you sound like Tusselad, you can't understand that the letter
Z is N turned 90 degrees.


|
| The energy path looks like this:
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/RifleB.JPG
| The x-axis is into the screen.
|
| You stole that idea from Len. ..it's his helical wave model....

Gaasenbeek has one velocity of light only. If it weren't for that
I'd agree with him. The helix doesn't move relative to the source,
same as the rifle.


| .....How much did the poms pay the referee last night?

Three cases of Glenlivet, of course.

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
news | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:46:47 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:03:20 GMT, "Sorcerer"
|
| | wrote:
| |
|
|
| | | **** off, I don't heed or need your dumb hints.
| | | 9.8 metres/sec^2, found empirically.
| | | What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
| | |
| | | Listen you stupid old drunken pommie *******, the acceleration due
to
| | gravity
| | | is NOT anything like 9.8 m/s2 at 20000 kms from Earth.
| | |
| | | I think you should join geesey in his first year physics course....
| |
| | No, you don't think.
| | What the **** is kms?
| |
| | |
| | | Hint: It tells me he's ****in' senile or ****in' drunk.
| | | ROFL!
| | |
| | | Geez, you'll be embarrassed by this crap when you sober up....
| |
| | I'm quite sober. What the **** is kms, you ****witted red-faced old
| ****pot?
| |
| | Take a trip cross the channel and ask a frog what a 'kilometre' is.
|
| I want to know what as kilometre.second (kms) is, yous seniles olds
goats.
|
| ****ing idiot.
| In English, we add an 's' for plural....
|
| 'kms' are lots of km


In physics 's' stands for second, you ****ing moron. In English
we do not say msph, we say mph for mileS per hour.

so....
What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
It tells me you are a ******.


|
| Is thinks yous shoulds joins geeseys ins hises firsts years physicses
| courses....
| For simplicity and given:
| all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
| all sats have a reliable clock
| the receiver has a broken clock, do not use.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
| 0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.
|
| Where's the receiver, calculated from the data given?
| It doesn't get any easier or more basic than that.
|
| This is just a tad harder.
| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
|
| Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| one minute later resolve the two positions?
| Why would you care about the second position anyway?
|
| Triangulation gives one's location on a flat surface.

Hey ****head, I GAVE you a "flat surface", but I call it a plane,
not a surface.

Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.

That time gives ct = ?
It doesn't get any easier, ****** Wilson.
A B and C are three points around a hexagon (in a plane)
Teenage trigonometry, a fifteen-year-old could do it.
http://www.revision-notes.co.uk/revision/745.html

The receiver is at satellite C.



| Four bits of information
| are required to do the same on a 3D surface...although triangulation is
pretty
| accurate on the Earth's fairly flat surface.
|
You talk the talk but you can't walk the walk, ****** Wilson.

Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

Q. Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
Answer:

C reads 3.3 microseconds, ct = 1000 meters, so the reciever
is somewhere on a sphere of radius 1000 metres centred on C.
BUT...
A and B read t = 0, so the receiver has to be equidistance from
each, we are limited to a circle.
The two positions was a trick question.


Q. How could a fourth satellite resolve the position on the circle?
A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D,
surfaces have nothing to do with it. A tetrahedron has 4 points.

Q. Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
one minute later resolve the two positions?
A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D
but it's implicit to assume the receiver didn't move and the satellites
did. A second reading a minute later give the fourth "bit" of
information.

Q. Why would you care about the second position anyway?
A. Because you know in practice your receiver is well below
the GPS constellation, you are not out in space, your altitude
is limited to the top of Everest and sea level.

You failed, you didn't attempt one question.


| If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| electronics you can build your own receiver.
| Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| For help, see
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| Androcles
|
| ..and as I just reminded Tusselad, the US feeds misinformation like the
'GR
| correction' bull**** to the opposition to make sure their systems don't
work
| properly....

The difference between a ****** Wilson and a used physicist is that
the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

Your products fall apart before the sale.

Androcles

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:39:49 GMT, "Sorcerer"
wrote:


"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
news | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:46:47 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:

| I want to know what as kilometre.second (kms) is, yous seniles olds
goats.
|
| ****ing idiot.
| In English, we add an 's' for plural....
|
| 'kms' are lots of km


In physics 's' stands for second, you ****ing moron. In English
we do not say msph, we say mph for mileS per hour.

so....
What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
It tells me you are a ******.

**** off. You're as bad as geesey.


| Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| one minute later resolve the two positions?
| Why would you care about the second position anyway?
|
| Triangulation gives one's location on a flat surface.

Hey ****head, I GAVE you a "flat surface", but I call it a plane,
not a surface.

Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.

That time gives ct = ?
It doesn't get any easier, ****** Wilson.
A B and C are three points around a hexagon (in a plane)
Teenage trigonometry, a fifteen-year-old could do it.

I think you left out some vital information.

http://www.revision-notes.co.uk/revision/745.html

The receiver is at satellite C.



| Four bits of information
| are required to do the same on a 3D surface...although triangulation is
pretty
| accurate on the Earth's fairly flat surface.
|
You talk the talk but you can't walk the walk, ****** Wilson.

Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

Q. Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
Answer:

C reads 3.3 microseconds, ct = 1000 meters, so the reciever
is somewhere on a sphere of radius 1000 metres centred on C.
BUT...
A and B read t = 0, so the receiver has to be equidistance from
each, we are limited to a circle.
The two positions was a trick question.


Q. How could a fourth satellite resolve the position on the circle?
A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D,
surfaces have nothing to do with it. A tetrahedron has 4 points.

Q. Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
one minute later resolve the two positions?
A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D
but it's implicit to assume the receiver didn't move and the satellites
did. A second reading a minute later give the fourth "bit" of
information.

Q. Why would you care about the second position anyway?
A. Because you know in practice your receiver is well below
the GPS constellation, you are not out in space, your altitude
is limited to the top of Everest and sea level.

You failed, you didn't attempt one question.

If you described your experiment in an intelligible way I might be able to make
something out of this gobbledegook.

| If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| electronics you can build your own receiver.
| Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| For help, see
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| Androcles
|
| ..and as I just reminded Tusselad, the US feeds misinformation like the
'GR
| correction' bull**** to the opposition to make sure their systems don't
work
| properly....

The difference between a ****** Wilson and a used physicist is that
the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

Your products fall apart before the sale.

You can't even describe yours....


Androcles




HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:39:49 GMT, "Sorcerer"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
| news | | On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:46:47 GMT, "Sorcerer"
|
| | wrote:
|
| | I want to know what as kilometre.second (kms) is, yous seniles olds
| goats.
| |
| | ****ing idiot.
| | In English, we add an 's' for plural....
| |
| | 'kms' are lots of km
|
|
| In physics 's' stands for second, you ****ing moron. In English
| we do not say msph, we say mph for mileS per hour.
|
| so....
| What does that tell *me* (an engineer), about a physicist?
| It tells me you are a ******.
|
| **** off. You're as bad as geesey.

Gotcha again.

|
|
| | Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| | How could a fourth satellite resolve the two positions?
| | Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| | one minute later resolve the two positions?
| | Why would you care about the second position anyway?
| |
| | Triangulation gives one's location on a flat surface.
|
| Hey ****head, I GAVE you a "flat surface", but I call it a plane,
| not a surface.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 90° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"S, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
| 0.000086726665272239762249227670859584 seconds.
|
| That time gives ct = ?
| It doesn't get any easier, ****** Wilson.
| A B and C are three points around a hexagon (in a plane)
| Teenage trigonometry, a fifteen-year-old could do it.
|
| I think you left out some vital information.

Yeah, you do need a brain.

|
| http://www.revision-notes.co.uk/revision/745.html
|
| The receiver is at satellite C.
|
|
|
| | Four bits of information
| | are required to do the same on a 3D surface...although triangulation is
| pretty
| | accurate on the Earth's fairly flat surface.
| |
| You talk the talk but you can't walk the walk, ****** Wilson.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
|
| Q. Where's the receiver (two possible positions)?
| Answer:
|
| C reads 3.3 microseconds, ct = 1000 meters, so the reciever
| is somewhere on a sphere of radius 1000 metres centred on C.
| BUT...
| A and B read t = 0, so the receiver has to be equidistance from
| each, we are limited to a circle.
| The two positions was a trick question.
|
|
| Q. How could a fourth satellite resolve the position on the circle?
| A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D,
| surfaces have nothing to do with it. A tetrahedron has 4 points.
|
| Q. Without a fourth satellite, how could a second reading
| one minute later resolve the two positions?
| A. "Four bits of information are required" IN 3D
| but it's implicit to assume the receiver didn't move and the satellites
| did. A second reading a minute later give the fourth "bit" of
| information.
|
| Q. Why would you care about the second position anyway?
| A. Because you know in practice your receiver is well below
| the GPS constellation, you are not out in space, your altitude
| is limited to the top of Everest and sea level.
|
| You failed, you didn't attempt one question.
|
| If you described your experiment in an intelligible way I might be able to
make
| something out of this gobbledegook.

It was not an experiment, ****head. It was a test to see if you know
how far ct is. You failed.


|
| | If you can give the right answer you'll understand GPS.
| | If you can give the algorithm and know radio and computer
| | electronics you can build your own receiver.
| | Being a mere physicist you'd be lost, go no further than
| | Sydney or rely on engineers, navigators and road signs.
| | You couldn't find your way by the stars, which is all GPS really is
| | and used by Cook to find Botany Bay and his way home again.
| | For help, see
| | http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS.htm
| | Androcles
| |
| | ..and as I just reminded Tusselad, the US feeds misinformation like the
| 'GR
| | correction' bull**** to the opposition to make sure their systems don't
| work
| | properly....
|
| The difference between a ****** Wilson and a used physicist is that
| the latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.
|
| Your products fall apart before the sale.
|
| You can't even describe yours....
|
|
| Androcles
|
|
|
|
| HW.
| www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
|
| The difference between a preacher and a used car salesman is that the
latter's product doesn't fall apart till AFTER the sale.