"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorcerer wrote:
| | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
message
| | ...
| | | Sorcerer wrote:
| | | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
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| | |
| | | | Androcles:
| | | || For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000
km
| | | || Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.0
| | | || Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at
time
| 0.0
| | | || Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | | || at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| | | |
| | | | Paul:
| | | || And from that, with no information about when the receiver
| | | || received the signals, you claim it can calculate it's
position
| | | || to be 1 km from C and equidistant from A and B. :-)
| | | |
| | | | Androcles:
| | | || Yes.
| | | |
| | | | Please repeat that you made no blunder.
| | |
| | | We'll take this two tiny steps at a time.
| | | Equidistant from A and B is easy, isn't it (even if we are not
yet
| sure of
| | | the distance)?
| | |
| | | Let us take one tiny step at a time.
| | |
| | | Why is the receiver equidistant from A and B?
| |
| |
| | c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
| |
| | How can satellite C affect the receiver's distance from A and B?
|
| One tiny step at a time. Satellite C is equidistant from A and B.
| c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
|
| No, it isn't.

Then we are done, GPS doesn't work at all.
Androcles

In sci.logic, Sorcerer

wrote
on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:38:07 GMT
:

"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
...
| Sorcerer wrote:
| "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorcerer wrote:
| | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
message
| | ...
| | | Sorcerer wrote:
| | | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
| message
| | | ...
| | |
| | | | Androcles:
| | | || For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000
km
| | | || Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time
0.0
| | | || Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at
time
| 0.0
| | | || Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | | || at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| | | |
| | | | Paul:
| | | || And from that, with no information about when the receiver
| | | || received the signals, you claim it can calculate it's
position
| | | || to be 1 km from C and equidistant from A and B. :-)
| | | |
| | | | Androcles:
| | | || Yes.
| | | |
| | | | Please repeat that you made no blunder.
| | |
| | | We'll take this two tiny steps at a time.
| | | Equidistant from A and B is easy, isn't it (even if we are not
yet
| sure of
| | | the distance)?
| | |
| | | Let us take one tiny step at a time.
| | |
| | | Why is the receiver equidistant from A and B?
| |
| |
| | c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
| |
| | How can satellite C affect the receiver's distance from A and B?
|
| One tiny step at a time. Satellite C is equidistant from A and B.
| c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
|
| No, it isn't.

Then we are done, GPS doesn't work at all.
Androcles


Interesting. How does it work, then? GPS-capable units
are routinely purchasable at many stores.

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"The Ghost In The Machine" wrote in message
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| In sci.logic, Sorcerer
|
| wrote
| on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:38:07 GMT
| :
|
| "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorcerer wrote:
| | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
message
| | ...
| | | Sorcerer wrote:
| | | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in
| message
| | | ...
| | | | Sorcerer wrote:
| | | | "Paul B. Andersen" wrote
in
| | message
| | | | ...
| | | |
| | | | | Androcles:
| | | | || For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r =
26,000
| km
| | | | || Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at
time
| 0.0
| | | | || Sat_B says it's at 10° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at
| time
| | 0.0
| | | | || Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | | | || at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| | | | |
| | | | | Paul:
| | | | || And from that, with no information about when the
receiver
| | | | || received the signals, you claim it can calculate it's
| position
| | | | || to be 1 km from C and equidistant from A and B. :-)
| | | | |
| | | | | Androcles:
| | | | || Yes.
| | | | |
| | | | | Please repeat that you made no blunder.
| | | |
| | | | We'll take this two tiny steps at a time.
| | | | Equidistant from A and B is easy, isn't it (even if we are
not
| yet
| | sure of
| | | | the distance)?
| | | |
| | | | Let us take one tiny step at a time.
| | | |
| | | | Why is the receiver equidistant from A and B?
| | |
| | |
| | | c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
| | |
| | | How can satellite C affect the receiver's distance from A and B?
| |
| | One tiny step at a time. Satellite C is equidistant from A and B.
| | c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB)
| |
| | No, it isn't.
|
| Then we are done, GPS doesn't work at all.
| Androcles
|
|
| Interesting.

It may be interesting to a psychiatrist, but not to me.

The typo was corrected but ignored and dragged back up again,
the rest of the original post was snipped.

Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E

All three satellites are at the Wilson radius, and the Tusseladd
says Sat_C is not piggy-in-the-middle. That's fine by me,
I needn't explain snipping, we hold that truth to be self-evident.

| How does it work, then? GPS-capable units
| are routinely purchasable at many stores.

If I were a Norwegian troll I'd say "No they are not!" at this point.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Androcles

Sorcerer wrote:
The typo was corrected but ignored and dragged back up again,
the rest of the original post was snipped.

Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E

All three satellites are at the Wilson radius, and the Tusseladd
says Sat_C is not piggy-in-the-middle. That's fine by me,
I needn't explain snipping, we hold that truth to be self-evident.

OK, Androcles.
Let's start from your corrected data.

We have:
For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

From that, with no information about when the receiver
received the signals, you claim it can calculate it's position
to be 1 km from C and equidistant from A and B.

I agree that when C emits its signal, it is equidistant
from where A and B were when they emitted their signals,
and I agree that c(tC-tA) = c(tC-tB).

Can we now get to the receiver?
How does it determine its position?

Paul

"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
...
| Sorcerer wrote:
| The typo was corrected but ignored and dragged back up again,
| the rest of the original post was snipped.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E
|
| All three satellites are at the Wilson radius, and the Tusseladd
| says Sat_C is not piggy-in-the-middle. That's fine by me,
| I needn't explain snipping, we hold that truth to be self-evident.
|
| OK, Androcles.
| Let's start from your corrected data.
|
| We have:
| For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km

r is from the centre of the Earth, you need to subtract
Earth radius for altitude.


| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
|
| From that, with no information about when the receiver
| received the signals,

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one
people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and
equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
and all low-life ****wit trolls snip unequally, causing blindness to fellow
trolls like Poe who is blind enough as it is.

You snipped the part where I said it did. Put it back and we'll go from
there (one tiny step at a time).

Androcles

Sorcerer wrote:
"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
...
| Sorcerer wrote:
| The typo was corrected but ignored and dragged back up again,
| the rest of the original post was snipped.
|
| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E
|
| All three satellites are at the Wilson radius, and the Tusseladd
| says Sat_C is not piggy-in-the-middle. That's fine by me,
| I needn't explain snipping, we hold that truth to be self-evident.
|
| OK, Androcles.
| Let's start from your corrected data.
|
| We have:
| For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km

r is from the centre of the Earth, you need to subtract
Earth radius for altitude.


| Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
|
| From that, with no information about when the receiver
| received the signals,

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one
people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and
equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
and all low-life ****wit trolls snip unequally, causing blindness to fellow
trolls like Poe who is blind enough as it is.

You snipped the part where I said it did. Put it back and we'll go from
there (one tiny step at a time).

Androcles

You stumbled when you made the very fist step, Androlces.
Splash on your face.
I know you are unable to take another step.

You have made a giant fool of yourself again.


We have:
For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds

From that, with no information about when the receiver
received the signals, you claim it can calculate it's position
to be 1 km from C and equidistant from A and B.

A gigantic blunder!

Paul

"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
...
| Sorcerer wrote:
| "Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorcerer wrote:
| | The typo was corrected but ignored and dragged back up again,
| | the rest of the original post was snipped.
| |
| | Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E
| |
| | All three satellites are at the Wilson radius, and the Tusseladd
| | says Sat_C is not piggy-in-the-middle. That's fine by me,
| | I needn't explain snipping, we hold that truth to be self-evident.
| |
| | OK, Androcles.
| | Let's start from your corrected data.
| |
| | We have:
| | For simplicity and given: all sats are at altitude r = 26,000 km
|
| r is from the centre of the Earth, you need to subtract
| Earth radius for altitude.
|
|
| | Sat_A says it's at 40° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_B says it's at 20° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E, at time 0.0
| | Sat_C says it's at 30° 00' 00.00"N, 00° 00' 00.00"E,
| | at time 0.0000033356409720092216249702950330609 seconds
| |
| | From that, with no information about when the receiver
| | received the signals,
|
| http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/
|
| When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one
| people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
| another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and
| equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle
them,
| a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
| declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
| We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
| and all low-life ****wit trolls snip unequally, causing blindness to
fellow
| trolls like Poe who is blind enough as it is.
|
| You snipped the part where I said it did. Put it back and we'll go from
| there (one tiny step at a time).
|
| Androcles
|
| You stumbled when you made the very fist step, Androlces.

Drunk again, Tusseladd? It's "first", not "fist", and "Androcles", not
"Androlces".
I've had a couple myself, but I can handle it. Obviously you can't, you are
stumbling.
I'm still not sure of the correct Norwegian spelling of "troll", though.
I've
ask you a couple of times, but you are not a good teacher. Is it "tusselad"
or "tusseladd"?

Androcles.