but when are we going to discover something new?

"Joe Jakarta" wrote in message
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| but when are we going to discover something new?

"We"?
YOU are not going to discover anything, YOU are a dumb****.

Androcles

Sorcerer wrote:
"Joe Jakarta" wrote in message
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| but when are we going to discover something new?

"We"?
YOU are not going to discover anything, YOU are a dumb****.

Androcles

Is Sorcerer saying he is a " Smart**** " ?

It's all relative, isn't it ?

Joe Jakarta wrote:
but when are we going to discover something new?

When (if) experimenters discover something that's inconsistent with it.

Paul Cardinale

Joe Jakarta wrote:
but when are we going to discover something new?

When experiments discover something that is inconsistent with
relativity. Or when theorists develop a context that is both interesting
and inconsistent with relativity.

Interestingly, the latter has happened: most approaches to quantum
gravity imply that the Planck scale is somehow "special", and as that is
a length it follows that in relativity the phenomena at this scale are
coordinate dependent. Theorists have developed doubly special
relativity, in which both c and L_Planck are invariant; and the
remarkable thing is that non-commutative groups are inherent in this
approach, perhaps leading directly to quantum effects.....


Tom Roberts

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| Sorcerer wrote:
| "Joe Jakarta" wrote in message
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| "We"?
| YOU are not going to discover anything, YOU are a dumb****.
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| Androcles
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| It's all relative, isn't it ?

Your ignorant one-line trite comments are why you'll
never discover anything either.

In sci.physics.relativity, Joe Jakarta

wrote
on 14 Oct 2006 05:42:44 -0700
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but when are we going to discover something new?


We already have. As I understand it, a chirality experiment involving a
supercomputer grid and quartz crystals has disproven General Relativity,
although by such a small amount most experiments will not notice it.

I'm not qualified to discuss it further; I'd have to refer you to the
relevant experimenters. It won't, of course, allow for things such as
the resurrection of Galilean/Newtonian math, and I'm not sure it'll do
much regarding the relevant circuitry of a stardrive system. :-)

And of course, I could be wrong anyway.

--
#191,
Linux makes one use one's mind.
Windows just messes with one's head.

Tom Roberts wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
but when are we going to discover something new?

When experiments discover something that is inconsistent with
relativity. Or when theorists develop a context that is both interesting
and inconsistent with relativity.

Interestingly, the latter has happened: [...]

I forgot to mention that the former may also be happening: The anomalous
acceleration of the Pioneer (and other) spacecraft, and the observations
of dark energy and dark matter might someday be solid enough to be
considered refutations of GR.


Tom Roberts

Tom Roberts wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
but when are we going to discover something new?

When experiments discover something that is inconsistent with
relativity. Or when theorists develop a context that is both interesting
and inconsistent with relativity.

Interestingly, the latter has happened: [...]

I forgot to mention that the former may also be happening: The anomalous
acceleration of the Pioneer (and other) spacecraft, and the observations
of dark energy and dark matter might someday be solid enough to be
considered refutations of GR.

Dark matter seems to be actual matter judging from recent observations.
That being said, there is new physics hiding in there one way or
another.

If it is actual matter, there is something way cool coming down the
tubes for particle physics. If it isn't actual matter, then somehow we
were led majorly astray by lensing, which will show us some new physics
and will majorly break GR.

However, I don't like what is currently happening with the Pioneer
probes - as far as I know, nobody has actually ruled out a slight
asymmetry in the way waste heat is being radiated. I think a new probe
needs to be sent out just for this, or carefully design the next outer
solar system probe so that a study of the supposed phenomenon can
happen.

Mabey instead, we can simply watch the mission that is currently flying
out to Pluto. It will be in Jupiter space in about 5 months and Pluto
space in about 8 years. I would be extremely surprised if mission
scientists haven't made studying the Pioneer anomaly a side mission for
the New Horizons [Why the **** did they call it THAT?] probe.



Tom Roberts

Eric Gisse wrote:
Dark matter seems to be actual matter judging from recent observations.
That being said, there is new physics hiding in there one way or
another.

Yes.


If it is actual matter, there is something way cool coming down the
tubes for particle physics. If it isn't actual matter, then somehow we
were led majorly astray by lensing, which will show us some new physics
and will majorly break GR.

Yes. The interesting thing is that the currently leading candidate for
particle-based dark matter is the lowest-mass supersymmetric particle,
and there are numerous estimates that it ought to be within reach of the
LHC (scheduled to start up in late 2007).


However, I don't like what is currently happening with the Pioneer
probes - as far as I know, nobody has actually ruled out a slight
asymmetry in the way waste heat is being radiated. I think a new probe
needs to be sent out just for this, or carefully design the next outer
solar system probe so that a study of the supposed phenomenon can
happen.

Yes.


Mabey instead, we can simply watch the mission that is currently flying
out to Pluto. It will be in Jupiter space in about 5 months and Pluto
space in about 8 years. I would be extremely surprised if mission
scientists haven't made studying the Pioneer anomaly a side mission for
the New Horizons [Why the **** did they call it THAT?] probe.

Design and construction of these space probes can take decades, and it
might be that New Horizons was built before the Pioneer anomaly was
discovered. I don't know. It would indeed be too bad if that's the case.


Tom Roberts