ahahahaha "Eric Gisse" read'em the riot act
ups.com...
but his first faint doubts arise and indicate to him that not all is
well in the Einstein's Dingleberry crowd nor in their REL Bible:

["Y.Porat"] wrote
bye Nazi **** go see a psychiatrist
you claime : you are an authority here '
Ha ha ha ha HA thanks for the laughs !!!
Y.Porat

[T Wake]
Still, at least we know you are insane and your recent
diatribes admit you actually know _nothing_ about physics
other than what your tortured mind has conjured up.
Well Done CrankBoi.

[Eric to both]
I wonder if these cranks could handle that my actual
goal of studying physics is to find some way to....

[hanson to Eric]
....that is to find a way to your own crankdom... It's that simple.
But Eric, what has your study goal to do with them? The road of
your quest is a very lonely path, young friend, a path on which
you will be called what you call them: "Eric, the Crank, who is on
the way to his own crankdom"... ahahahaha... Welcome to the
world of healthy physics... were peoples' mind do search, not just
parrot what others have done like all those damaged goods do,
the hordes of malignant Einstein Dingleberries who Einstein
tried to shake desperately off his ass, ever since the 1920s when
he advised them
== not search at the same, now well lit places,
where he had been working.
,,, and then just a year before he puffed Einstein said to Besso
in 1954 :
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be
== based on the field concept, i. e., on continuous
== structures. In that case nothing remains of my entire
== castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
== the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.

[Eric]
... my actual goal of studying physics is to find some way
to crack general relativity open like a coconut.
I want a faster than light drive goddamnit, or *some*
convinient way to take us to the stars. **** this planet.

[hanson]
Well, for your own purposes there are easier ways then to
"**** this planet"... like for you to follow Einstein's advice
above... ahahahaha... "Think and learn to forge ahead into
the unknown"... instead of "Read and learn to parrot what
you have read"... like all those Einstein Dingleberries do...
ahahahaha... ahahahaha...

[Eric]
The problem is the more I study it, the less places I can think of
where there can be even a possible *test* to see if it is wrong.
The only places that seem to have a shot are in strong fields
[black holes] and really small seperation distances, or a
combination of both.

[hanson]
Yes, there are such indicators for your vision and goals. There
are sign you can follow,.... the less tramped routes which were
abandoned once the Zionists declared that the only road to yondern
was GR.. and the steamroller of Relativity flattened any and all other
routes of inquiry... ahahaha... Here are some such indicators, known
since the 1920's, that include your "black holes". Invent an experiment
to bring you into that realm which is described in these equations:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...bacfb70f8329a9

[Eric]
It is a new century and I'd say the time is ripe for someone to
discover something novel and royally **** everything up.

[hanson]
** That someone is YOU, dude!! You just don't know that yet !!**
ahahaha... I am impressed, Eric. You are beginning to wake up
and see that none of the Einstein Dingleberries does have a clue
of how to go where you wanna go. Carry on, but expect no help!!
and don't whine!... instead enjoy and celebrate the tiniest ray and
spark of hope that you see on your way into that undiscovered land
from whose borne no traveler has returned yet... Good luck to you!...
Don't loose the ability to laugh or you'll be cooked for good...
ahahaha... ahahanson

..

"hanson" wrote in message
news:ejDQg.2036$zh.1164@trnddc08...
ahahahaha

The pretty well sums you up. OTOH Eric actually can think and applies it to
understanding physics.

Bill

"Eric Gisse" read'em the riot act
ups.com...
but his first faint doubts arise and indicate to him that not all is
well in the Einstein's Dingleberry crowd nor in their REL Bible:

["Y.Porat"] wrote
bye Nazi **** go see a psychiatrist
you claime : you are an authority here '
Ha ha ha ha HA thanks for the laughs !!!
Y.Porat

[T Wake]
Still, at least we know you are insane and your recent
diatribes admit you actually know _nothing_ about physics
other than what your tortured mind has conjured up.
Well Done CrankBoi.

[Eric to both]
I wonder if these cranks could handle that my actual
goal of studying physics is to find some way to....

[hanson to Eric]
...that is to find a way to your own crankdom... It's that simple.
But Eric, what has your study goal to do with them? The road of
your quest is a very lonely path, young friend, a path on which
you will be called what you call them: "Eric, the Crank, who is on
the way to his own crankdom"... ahahahaha... Welcome to the
world of healthy physics... were peoples' mind do search, not just
parrot what others have done like all those damaged goods do,
the hordes of malignant Einstein Dingleberries who Einstein
tried to shake desperately off his ass, ever since the 1920s when
he advised them
== not search at the same, now well lit places,
where he had been working.
,,, and then just a year before he puffed Einstein said to Besso
in 1954 :
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be
== based on the field concept, i. e., on continuous
== structures. In that case nothing remains of my entire
== castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
== the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.

[Eric]
... my actual goal of studying physics is to find some way
to crack general relativity open like a coconut.
I want a faster than light drive goddamnit, or *some*
convinient way to take us to the stars. **** this planet.

[hanson]
Well, for your own purposes there are easier ways then to
"**** this planet"... like for you to follow Einstein's advice
above... ahahahaha... "Think and learn to forge ahead into
the unknown"... instead of "Read and learn to parrot what
you have read"... like all those Einstein Dingleberries do...
ahahahaha... ahahahaha...

[Eric]
The problem is the more I study it, the less places I can think of
where there can be even a possible *test* to see if it is wrong.
The only places that seem to have a shot are in strong fields
[black holes] and really small seperation distances, or a
combination of both.

[hanson]
Yes, there are such indicators for your vision and goals. There
are sign you can follow,.... the less tramped routes which were
abandoned once the Zionists declared that the only road to yondern
was GR.. and the steamroller of Relativity flattened any and all other
routes of inquiry... ahahaha... Here are some such indicators, known
since the 1920's, that include your "black holes". Invent an experiment
to bring you into that realm which is described in these equations:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...bacfb70f8329a9

[Eric]
It is a new century and I'd say the time is ripe for someone to
discover something novel and royally **** everything up.

[hanson]
** That someone is YOU, dude!! You just don't know that yet !!**
ahahaha... I am impressed, Eric. You are beginning to wake up
and see that none of the Einstein Dingleberries does have a clue
of how to go where you wanna go. Carry on, but expect no help!!
and don't whine!... instead enjoy and celebrate the tiniest ray and
spark of hope that you see on your way into that undiscovered land
from whose borne no traveler has returned yet... Good luck to you!...
Don't loose the ability to laugh or you'll be cooked for good...
ahahaha... ahahanson

.

..... ahahaha.. you are angry over having realized that you are
a run of the mill Einstein Dingleberry, "Bill Hobba", when you
nervously wrote your usual "rubbish & junk.com" as in your
news

"hanson" wrote in message
news:ejDQg.2036$zh.1164@trnddc08...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...998c286c726013
ahahahaha

[Hobba]
The pretty well sums you up. OTOH Eric actually can think and applies it
to understanding physics.
Bill

[hanson]
What is that "The pretty well..." ?... ahahaha... Nervous, Bill?
But you are right, hubba-hubba-Hobba, it is a good thing if Eric
learns and applies "ahahaha" to enjoy his physics and does
not become like you I warned him about, you being an exemplary
Einstein Dingleberry who only does "Read and learn to parrot
what you have read" but never managed/s to generate a novel
thought of your own... ahahahaha... To boot, the FAQ states that
you are "a real stupid fool & uptight mooch worth".....
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.c...32cf15901ce7ba
well... "Read and learn to parrot what you have read" in there too.
Thanks for the laughs, mooch.... ahahaha.... ahahahanson


[hanson]
"Eric Gisse" read'em the riot act
ups.com...
but his first faint doubts arise and indicate to him that not all is
well in the Einstein's Dingleberry crowd nor in their REL Bible:

["Y.Porat"] wrote
bye Nazi **** go see a psychiatrist
you claime : you are an authority here '
Ha ha ha ha HA thanks for the laughs !!!
Y.Porat

[T Wake]
Still, at least we know you are insane and your recent
diatribes admit you actually know _nothing_ about physics
other than what your tortured mind has conjured up.
Well Done CrankBoi.

[Eric to both]
I wonder if these cranks could handle that my actual
goal of studying physics is to find some way to....

[hanson to Eric]
...that is to find a way to your own crankdom... It's that simple.
But Eric, what has your study goal to do with them? The road of
your quest is a very lonely path, young friend, a path on which
you will be called what you call them: "Eric, the Crank, who is on
the way to his own crankdom"... ahahahaha... Welcome to the
world of healthy physics... were peoples' mind do search, not just
parrot what others have done like all those damaged goods do,
the hordes of malignant Einstein Dingleberries who Einstein
tried to shake desperately off his ass, ever since the 1920s when
he advised them
== not search at the same, now well lit places,
where he had been working.
,,, and then just a year before he puffed Einstein said to Besso
in 1954 :
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be
== based on the field concept, i. e., on continuous
== structures. In that case nothing remains of my entire
== castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
== the rest of modern physics." -- A.E.

[Eric]
... my actual goal of studying physics is to find some way
to crack general relativity open like a coconut.
I want a faster than light drive goddamnit, or *some*
convinient way to take us to the stars. **** this planet.

[hanson]
Well, for your own purposes there are easier ways then to
"**** this planet"... like for you to follow Einstein's advice
above... ahahahaha... "Think and learn to forge ahead into
the unknown"... instead of "Read and learn to parrot what
you have read"... like all those Einstein Dingleberries do...
ahahahaha... ahahahaha...

[Eric]
The problem is the more I study it, the less places I can think of
where there can be even a possible *test* to see if it is wrong.
The only places that seem to have a shot are in strong fields
[black holes] and really small seperation distances, or a
combination of both.

[hanson]
Yes, there are such indicators for your vision and goals. There
are sign you can follow,.... the less tramped routes which were
abandoned once the Zionists declared that the only road to yondern
was GR.. and the steamroller of Relativity flattened any and all other
routes of inquiry... ahahaha... Here are some such indicators, known
since the 1920's, that include your "black holes". Invent an experiment
to bring you into that realm which is described in these equations:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...bacfb70f8329a9

[Eric]
It is a new century and I'd say the time is ripe for someone to
discover something novel and royally **** everything up.

[hanson]
** That someone is YOU, dude!! You just don't know that yet !!**
ahahaha... I am impressed, Eric. You are beginning to wake up
and see that none of the Einstein Dingleberries does have a clue
of how to go where you wanna go. Carry on, but expect no help!!
and don't whine!... instead enjoy and celebrate the tiniest ray and
spark of hope that you see on your way into that undiscovered land
from whose borne no traveler has returned yet... Good luck to you!...
Don't loose the ability to laugh or you'll be cooked for good...
ahahaha... ahahanson

hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha.. you are angry over having realized that you are
a run of the mill Einstein Dingleberry, "Bill Hobba", when you
nervously wrote your usual "rubbish & junk.com" as in your
news

[hanson]
What is that "The pretty well..." ?... ahahaha... Nervous, Bill?
But you are right, hubba-hubba-Hobba, it is a good thing if Eric
learns and applies "ahahaha" to enjoy his physics and does
not become like you I warned him about, you being an exemplary
Einstein Dingleberry who only does "Read and learn to parrot


----------------------
hey Hanson!!!!

i have a copyright on introducing the word PARROT to this ng
it i sducumented
no one before me noticed the parroting practice and trend and fasion
here

are you using my trmes here without mensioning the copyrighter ??

are you not grateful to me for that word contribution to describe
much of
the characteristics these ng?
are you unable emotionally to give any credit to anyone ??


why dont you say ;
thank you Porat for introducing that very meaningful word into those
ng??

and i gave you some laughs as well isnt that ??
and laughfter is good for health !! (evenbetetr than pills .. oops -
dont take that 'pills ' personally .)

yourse sincerily
yehi
-----------------------------

Yehiel aka "Y.Porat" wrote in message
ups.com...

[hanson to Hobbass]:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...6631c88d5e83fe
.... ahahaha.. you are angry over having realized that you are
a run of the mill Einstein Dingleberry, "Bill Hobba", when you
nervously wrote your usual "rubbish & junk.com" as in your
news

[hanson]
What is that "The pretty well..." ?... ahahaha... Nervous, Bill?
But you are right, hubba-hubba-Hobba, it is a good thing if Eric
learns and applies "ahahaha" to enjoy his physics and does
not become like you, I warned him about, you being an exemplary
Einstein Dingleberry who only does "Read and learn to parrot

[Yehi]
----------------------
hey Hanson!!!!

[hanson]
Wow, 4 "!!!!"... For god's sake, well for your sake, Yehi, I'll say:
"oh, my G-d, Yehi must wanna be telling me something very, very
impotent"... ahahaha.... well, perhaps "important to his mind"

[Yehi]
i have a copyright on introducing the word PARROT to this ng
it i sducumented no one before me noticed the parroting practice
and trend and fasion here
are you using my trmes here without mensioning the copyrighter ??

[hanson]
Yehi, ok then, as you wish : == YEHIEL PORAT IS A PARROT ==

[Yehi]
are you not grateful to me for that word contribution to describe
much of the characteristics these ng?
are you unable emotionally to give any credit to anyone ??

[hanson]
I gratefully give all credits to == YEHIEL PORAT, THE PARROT ==

[Yehi]
why dont you say ;
thank you Porat for introducing that very meaningful word into those
ng??

[hanson]
As you wish, Yehi: == I PARROT: "THANK YOU, PORAT" ==

[Yehi]
and i gave you some laughs as well isnt that ??
and laughfter is good for health !! (evenbetetr than pills .. oops -
dont take that 'pills ' personally .)
yourse sincerily
yehi

[hanson]
ahahaha... AHAHAHA.. Yes, Yehi, I hope you have enjoyed my
parroting, not to mention all those avian accolades I have
honored you with.
Yehi, special thanks for the laughs, as they are far more effective
and much, much cheaper then pills... ahahahaha...
ahahanson

PS: Can I have your blessings and permission to address
you in future headings as "My friend Porat, the Parrot"?

Bill Hobba wrote:

The pretty well sums you up. OTOH Eric actually can think and applies it to
understanding physics.

The physicist-want-to-be does not even understand the calculus of
Variations. You must have not learnt anything in school yet still.
shrug

hanson wrote:
Yehiel aka "Y.Porat" wrote in message
ups.com...


PS: Can I have your blessings and permission to address
you in future headings as "My friend Porat, the Parrot"?
----------------
untill now anybody here knew you are a KUKU
now i know it as well for sure

go see a psychiatrist
and ask him a treatment that does not include pills
actually laughs is nice
**but not enogh for your case **

btw why are you talking so much
just be more concise
it is much more impressive
so
BYE
yours sincerily
and thanks fo rthe laughs as well (:-)
yehi
--------------

Koobee Wublee wrote:
Bill Hobba wrote:

The pretty well sums you up. OTOH Eric actually can think and applies it to
understanding physics.

The physicist-want-to-be does not even understand the calculus of
Variations. You must have not learnt anything in school yet still.
shrug

....and what level of understanding do you expect of me?

Calculus of variations has never been taught to me, but I understand
the point of it and how to do it in simple cases.

I also don't completely understand the tensor formalism, but that is ok
because it has never been taught to me either.

I have not been taught the modern formalism of special relativity
either, but I have some level of understanding. Certaintly better than
a fair bit of the folks in here.

General relativity has not been taught to me in ANY detail, yet I know
enough to understand where my knowledge is deficient and where I need
to go to proceed. I also have enough knowledge to point out the errors
in YOUR understanding.

Sure, you can point and laugh about my level of understanding but I'd
like to see you take a crack at the stuff I'm interested in with my
expected level of knowledge. I'm a junior undergraduate who is finally
getting to go through nonrelativistic quantum mechanics and classical
E&M. You don't see me commenting about THOSE subjects much, do you?

Oh, you were whining about calculus of variations. Do you have a
problem in mind, or were you just planning on sniping some more? I'm
perfectly willing to work through a problem if you show that you are
capable of the same level of understanding you expect from me.

Eric Gisse wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:

The physicist-want-to-be (Eric Gisse) does not even understand the calculus of
Variations. You must have not learnt anything in school yet still.
shrug

...and what level of understanding do you expect of me?

The level which you have been criticizing on. You have been
criticizing about subjects that you have no understanding of. This is
not what I expect of you. shrug

Calculus of variations has never been taught to me, but I understand
the point of it and how to do it in simple cases.

I was never taught the calculus of Variations, but I took the
initiative to understand it fully not just simple cases. By the way,
when some one talks about understand something in a simple case, you
can bet your money on the person still knowing absolutely nothing about
the subject. You know what I am talking about.

I also don't completely understand the tensor formalism, but that is ok
because it has never been taught to me either.

I was never taught the tensor formulations, but again I took the
initiative to understand them. In GR, they are nothing more than
matrices.

I have not been taught the modern formalism of special relativity
either, but I have some level of understanding. Certaintly better than
a fair bit of the folks in here.

Now, this is bad. I learnt SR in high school in my junior year.
However, SR is a very simple subject compared to the calculus of
Variations or tensors. You have no excuse.

General relativity has not been taught to me in ANY detail, yet I know
enough to understand where my knowledge is deficient and where I need
to go to proceed. I also have enough knowledge to point out the errors
in YOUR understanding.

I was never taught GR, but I took the initiative because I love to
understand this subject. In doing so, I find it is no more than a
stinking piles of cards. One puff all fall down. If you cannot master
the previous subjects we addressed except tensors which in GR's case
is no more than manipulations of matrices. You know how to work with
matrices, right?

Sure, you can point and laugh about my level of understanding but I'd
like to see you take a crack at the stuff I'm interested in with my
expected level of knowledge. I'm a junior undergraduate who is finally
getting to go through nonrelativistic quantum mechanics and classical
E&M. You don't see me commenting about THOSE subjects much, do you?

Hey, kid. I am not interested in what you are interested in. However,
I thrive to be better than the folks who claim they have understood the
subject that I am interested in. One example is the under-educated
Oliver Heaviside. Without much a formal education, he boasted that he
had gone beyond Maxwell. That is no understatement there. E-M is
mostly Heaviside's work than Maxwell's. Heaviside did not even
have an expensive lab that Maxwell enjoyed.

Oh, you were whining about calculus of variations. Do you have a
problem in mind, or were you just planning on sniping some more? I'm
perfectly willing to work through a problem if you show that you are
capable of the same level of understanding you expect from me.

No, kid. This is the newsgroup. I don't solve problems for your
homework. You need to solve them yourself to prove you have really
understood the subject.

The way you have pooh-poohed on a subject in which you have very little
understanding, I would not count on what you said of "I'm perfectly
willing to work through a problem if you show that you are capable of
the same level of understanding you expect from me." You stunk like
a politician. I can see right through you.

Koobee Wublee wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:

The physicist-want-to-be (Eric Gisse) does not even understand the calculus of
Variations. You must have not learnt anything in school yet still.
shrug

...and what level of understanding do you expect of me?

The level which you have been criticizing on. You have been
criticizing about subjects that you have no understanding of. This is
not what I expect of you. shrug

Can you point out the flaws in my understanding without revealing
yours?


Calculus of variations has never been taught to me, but I understand
the point of it and how to do it in simple cases.

I was never taught the calculus of Variations, but I took the
initiative to understand it fully not just simple cases. By the way,
when some one talks about understand something in a simple case, you
can bet your money on the person still knowing absolutely nothing about
the subject. You know what I am talking about.

Oh, I do.

http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...easonLaws.html


I also don't completely understand the tensor formalism, but that is ok
because it has never been taught to me either.

I was never taught the tensor formulations, but again I took the
initiative to understand them. In GR, they are nothing more than
matrices.

They are quite a bit more than that.

Transformations are represented by matricies, but are all tensors
transformations? Oh silly me, you won't know the answer!

http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...ffGeoAero.html


I have not been taught the modern formalism of special relativity
either, but I have some level of understanding. Certaintly better than
a fair bit of the folks in here.

Now, this is bad. I learnt SR in high school in my junior year.
However, SR is a very simple subject compared to the calculus of
Variations or tensors. You have no excuse.

Can you point out the words that either say or mean "I do not
understand special relativity"? Have fun finding them, because they are
not there.

You shouldn't be talking, anyway.

http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...s/SRBogus.html


General relativity has not been taught to me in ANY detail, yet I know
enough to understand where my knowledge is deficient and where I need
to go to proceed. I also have enough knowledge to point out the errors
in YOUR understanding.

I was never taught GR, but I took the initiative because I love to
understand this subject. In doing so, I find it is no more than a
stinking piles of cards. One puff all fall down. If you cannot master
the previous subjects we addressed except tensors which in GR's case
is no more than manipulations of matrices. You know how to work with
matrices, right?

Certaintly! My only trouble is that I'm not quite grasping the matrix
representation of the tensor transformation law. Neither of the books I
own have any examples worked out using the matrix representation.
Taking differentials and substituting works, but is unwieldy.

I'd ask for help, but I don't think you can.

http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/di...rentzTale.html


Sure, you can point and laugh about my level of understanding but I'd
like to see you take a crack at the stuff I'm interested in with my
expected level of knowledge. I'm a junior undergraduate who is finally
getting to go through nonrelativistic quantum mechanics and classical
E&M. You don't see me commenting about THOSE subjects much, do you?

Hey, kid. I am not interested in what you are interested in. However,
I thrive to be better than the folks who claim they have understood the
subject that I am interested in. One example is the under-educated
Oliver Heaviside. Without much a formal education, he boasted that he
had gone beyond Maxwell. That is no understatement there. E-M is
mostly Heaviside's work than Maxwell's. Heaviside did not even
have an expensive lab that Maxwell enjoyed.

Are you seriously bragging about your lack of education?

Heaviside gets a pass for it because he did his work a CENTURY ago, and
because he made actual contributions to physics and mathematics in the
process.


Oh, you were whining about calculus of variations. Do you have a
problem in mind, or were you just planning on sniping some more? I'm
perfectly willing to work through a problem if you show that you are
capable of the same level of understanding you expect from me.

No, kid. This is the newsgroup. I don't solve problems for your
homework. You need to solve them yourself to prove you have really
understood the subject.

Oh.

So the reason you can't even offer a simple problem for me to solve
isn't a sign of you not knowing what you are talking about, rather it
is....what exactly?


The way you have pooh-poohed on a subject in which you have very little
understanding, I would not count on what you said of "I'm perfectly
willing to work through a problem if you show that you are capable of
the same level of understanding you expect from me." You stunk like
a politician. I can see right through you.

I have been told I make a better door than a window. But you obviously
know me so much better.