Why The Physics Community Is A Historical Laughing Stock

An examination of this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329

reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

Let's do a simple calculation:

distance travelled = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 *
acceleration * total time^2

or

s = ut + 1/2at^2

Since the apple was stationary before falling (just like building was
prior to collapse), u = 0.

Since the height of the building was 174 meters, s = 174.

Since we are at ground level the gravitational field strength is a
constant, so a = 9.8 m/s^2

Now,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2

Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590

Well look at that, an apple would take 6 seconds to fall from the roof
of WTC 7, just the same amount of time it took WTC 7 to collapse.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE
COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.

That, ladies and gentleman, evidently exceeds the boundaries of the
competence of our 'leading physicists' - the Wittens of the world, the
Wheelers, their loyal groupies, those so called 'experts' who love to
sell fables on gravitation and call others 'laymen', those who love to
tell others that they 'have no chance'.

"Schoenfeld" wrote in a message

An examination of this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329
reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

Funny how a 6 second clip of the collapse shows the collapse taking 6
seconds. Of course, if you watch the entire collapse, from the beginning,
when the mechanical penthouse falls into the building, then you find it
actually tool at least 13 seconds.

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...NewsReport.flv

WTC 7 collapse starts at about 3:24 and ends around 3:37. 13 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

It can be easily shown... but, we're looking for it to be accurately shown.
If the latter is done, you get 13 seconds and nothing near free fall speed.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE
COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Although visual evidence proves otherwise. It is only through the intellect
of a 10 year old that one arrives at erroneous conclusions.

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.

Major fires obviously can do it. The lack of any explosions - visual or
audio, indicates any theory suggesting explosives were used is without
merit.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:48:05 -0500, Schoenfeld wrote:

An examination of this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329

reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

Let's do a simple calculation:

distance travelled = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 *
acceleration * total time^2

or

s = ut + 1/2at^2

Since the apple was stationary before falling (just like building was
prior to collapse), u = 0.

Since the height of the building was 174 meters, s = 174.

Since we are at ground level the gravitational field strength is a
constant, so a = 9.8 m/s^2

Now,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2

Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590

Well look at that, an apple would take 6 seconds to fall from the roof
of WTC 7, just the same amount of time it took WTC 7 to collapse.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE COLLAPSED
SIMULTANEOUSLY.


So? How fast was it supposed to fall? How do you know this?

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.


This is your conclusion based upon what? Evidence? Reference? Cite?

That, ladies and gentleman, evidently exceeds the boundaries of the
competence of our 'leading physicists' - the Wittens of the world, the
Wheelers, their loyal groupies, those so called 'experts' who love to
sell fables on gravitation and call others 'laymen', those who love to
tell others that they 'have no chance'.

What does Edward Witten have to do with this? What fables of
"gravitation" are you talking about?

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John P. wrote:
"Schoenfeld" wrote in a message

An examination of this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329
reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

Funny how a 6 second clip of the collapse shows the collapse taking 6
seconds. Of course, if you watch the entire collapse, from the beginning,
when the mechanical penthouse falls into the building, then you find it
actually tool at least 13 seconds.

Denying reality won't make it go away.

Your link does not work for me, and here is ANOTHER showing 6 second
collapse (use sound for precision timing).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88991907845273



http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...NewsReport.flv

WTC 7 collapse starts at about 3:24 and ends around 3:37. 13 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

It can be easily shown... but, we're looking for it to be accurately shown.
If the latter is done, you get 13 seconds and nothing near free fall speed.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE
COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Although visual evidence proves otherwise. It is only through the intellect
of a 10 year old that one arrives at erroneous conclusions.

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.

Major fires obviously can do it. The lack of any explosions - visual or
audio, indicates any theory suggesting explosives were used is without
merit.

mindarea wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:48:05 -0500, Schoenfeld wrote:

An examination of this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329

reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

Let's do a simple calculation:

distance travelled = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 *
acceleration * total time^2

or

s = ut + 1/2at^2

Since the apple was stationary before falling (just like building was
prior to collapse), u = 0.

Since the height of the building was 174 meters, s = 174.

Since we are at ground level the gravitational field strength is a
constant, so a = 9.8 m/s^2

Now,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2

Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590

Well look at that, an apple would take 6 seconds to fall from the roof
of WTC 7, just the same amount of time it took WTC 7 to collapse.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE COLLAPSED
SIMULTANEOUSLY.


So? How fast was it supposed to fall? How do you know this?

It shouldn't have fallen at all, since nothing hit this building, and
had a few waste basket fires for only an hour or two, and was blocks
away from the twin towers.


No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.


This is your conclusion based upon what? Evidence? Reference? Cite?

It's based on an elementary understanding of physics, an understanding
it seems the physics elites are completely lacking. If the roof of WTC
7 freefell, then everything below the roof freefell. Simultaneous
structure failure is the providence of controlled demolition and only
controlled demolition.


That, ladies and gentleman, evidently exceeds the boundaries of the
competence of our 'leading physicists' - the Wittens of the world, the
Wheelers, their loyal groupies, those so called 'experts' who love to
sell fables on gravitation and call others 'laymen', those who love to
tell others that they 'have no chance'.

What does Edward Witten have to do with this? What fables of
"gravitation" are you talking about?

He and his like-minded clique of elitist snobs implicitly endorse the
notion that buildings pancake collapse into themselves. They facilitate
the brainwashing of the masses, and convince them into giving them the
authority to disseminate matters related to physics. If people realize
they don't understand physics, they may start to form their own
independent and objective conclusion, not whatever the mind-masters
dictate.

--
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Schoenfeld wrote:

John P. wrote:

"Schoenfeld" wrote in a message


An examination of this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329
reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

Funny how a 6 second clip of the collapse shows the collapse taking 6
seconds. Of course, if you watch the entire collapse, from the beginning,
when the mechanical penthouse falls into the building, then you find it
actually tool at least 13 seconds.


Denying reality won't make it go away.

Don't let that stop you.

Your link does not work for me, and here is ANOTHER showing 6 second
collapse (use sound for precision timing).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88991907845273

And here's one showing the 13 second collapse John referred to:
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/...html#building7
You want the one titled "CBS video of Building 7 collapse".

wrote:

mindarea wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:48:05 -0500, Schoenfeld wrote:


An examination of this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329

reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

Let's do a simple calculation:

distance travelled = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 *
acceleration * total time^2

or

s = ut + 1/2at^2

Since the apple was stationary before falling (just like building was
prior to collapse), u = 0.

Since the height of the building was 174 meters, s = 174.

Since we are at ground level the gravitational field strength is a
constant, so a = 9.8 m/s^2

Now,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2

Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590

Well look at that, an apple would take 6 seconds to fall from the roof
of WTC 7, just the same amount of time it took WTC 7 to collapse.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE COLLAPSED
SIMULTANEOUSLY.


So? How fast was it supposed to fall? How do you know this?


It shouldn't have fallen at all,

Yes, it should have.

since nothing hit this building,

Except for large pieces of the towers.

"...we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would
collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between
floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty
sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a
visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5
o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we
realized this thing was going to collapse."
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html


and had a few waste basket fires for only an hour or two,

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long
because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of
fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was
just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned
about the collapse of a 47-story building there.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html

and was blocks away from the twin towers.

It was across the street.
Both buildings on either side of it were also heavily damaged by the
collapse of the towers.
http://usaattacked.com/world_1.jpg

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.


This is your conclusion based upon what? Evidence? Reference? Cite?


It's based on an elementary understanding of physics, an understanding
it seems the physics elites are completely lacking. If the roof of WTC
7 freefell,

Which it didn't.

then everything below the roof freefell.

Which it didn't.

Simultaneous
structure failure is the providence of controlled demolition and only
controlled demolition.

No it isn't.

That, ladies and gentleman, evidently exceeds the boundaries of the
competence of our 'leading physicists' - the Wittens of the world, the
Wheelers, their loyal groupies, those so called 'experts' who love to
sell fables on gravitation and call others 'laymen', those who love to
tell others that they 'have no chance'.

What does Edward Witten have to do with this? What fables of
"gravitation" are you talking about?


He and his like-minded clique of elitist snobs implicitly endorse the
notion that buildings pancake collapse into themselves.

Define "into themselves".

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:57:53 -0500, schoenfeld1 wrote:

mindarea wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:48:05 -0500, Schoenfeld wrote:

An examination of this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329

reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and
completedat second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time
it would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit
the ground - a freefall.

Let's do a simple calculation:

distance travelled = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 *
acceleration * total time^2

or

s = ut + 1/2at^2

Since the apple was stationary before falling (just like building was
prior to collapse), u = 0.

Since the height of the building was 174 meters, s = 174.

Since we are at ground level the gravitational field strength is a
constant, so a = 9.8 m/s^2

Now,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2

Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590

Well look at that, an apple would take 6 seconds to fall from the
roof of WTC 7, just the same amount of time it took WTC 7 to
collapse.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE
COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.


So? How fast was it supposed to fall? How do you know this?

It shouldn't have fallen at all, since nothing hit this building, and
had a few waste basket fires for only an hour or two, and was blocks
away from the twin towers.


No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.


This is your conclusion based upon what? Evidence? Reference? Cite?

It's based on an elementary understanding of physics, an understanding
it seems the physics elites are completely lacking. If the roof of WTC 7
freefell, then everything below the roof freefell. Simultaneous
structure failure is the providence of controlled demolition and only
controlled demolition.



So you have no reference? I'm supposed to take it on the authority of your
word alone? What are your credentials to make this claim?

That, ladies and gentleman, evidently exceeds the boundaries of the
competence of our 'leading physicists' - the Wittens of the world,
the Wheelers, their loyal groupies, those so called 'experts' who
love to sell fables on gravitation and call others 'laymen', those
who love to tell others that they 'have no chance'.

What does Edward Witten have to do with this? What fables of
"gravitation" are you talking about?

He and his like-minded clique of elitist snobs implicitly endorse the
notion that buildings pancake collapse into themselves.

They do? You haven't proven otherwise. How are they supposed to fall?
Who am I supposed to believe? Edward Witten is perhaps the worlds
premier theoretical physicists specializing in string theory. You have
neither cite nor reference to establish yourself or your statements yet
I'm just supposed to take your word for it?

They facilitate
the brainwashing of the masses, and convince them into giving them the
authority to disseminate matters related to physics. If people realize
they don't understand physics, they may start to form their own
independent and objective conclusion, not whatever the mind-masters
dictate.


So we are being brainwashed? A clever deception always includes
an attack or accusation of your opponent to confuse and disorient him.
How do I know it isn't you doing the brainwashing and not Edward Witten?
You really have me confused here.

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Vandar wrote:
Schoenfeld wrote:

John P. wrote:

"Schoenfeld" wrote in a message


An examination of this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329
reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

Funny how a 6 second clip of the collapse shows the collapse taking 6
seconds. Of course, if you watch the entire collapse, from the beginning,
when the mechanical penthouse falls into the building, then you find it
actually tool at least 13 seconds.


Denying reality won't make it go away.

Don't let that stop you.

Your link does not work for me, and here is ANOTHER showing 6 second
collapse (use sound for precision timing).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88991907845273

And here's one showing the 13 second collapse John referred to:
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/...html#building7
You want the one titled "CBS video of Building 7 collapse".

Rather than finding refuge in fantasy, bother to examine that video you
cite and and observe the 6 second freefall collapse, just like the
other videos show, just like controlled demolition predicts.

John P. wrote:
"Schoenfeld" wrote in a message

An examination of this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32340306101329
reveals that the collapse of WTC 7 started at second 17 and completedat
second 23. That is a total of 6 seconds.

Funny how a 6 second clip of the collapse shows the collapse taking 6
seconds. Of course, if you watch the entire collapse, from the beginning,
when the mechanical penthouse falls into the building, then you find it
actually tool at least 13 seconds.

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...NewsReport.flv

WTC 7 collapse starts at about 3:24 and ends around 3:37. 13 seconds.

It can be easily shown that this building collapsed in the same time it
would take an apple to fall from the roof of this building and hit the
ground - a freefall.

It can be easily shown... but, we're looking for it to be accurately shown.
If the latter is done, you get 13 seconds and nothing near free fall speed.

The 10 year old intellect can easily deduce then that WTC 7 must've
freefallen, further deducing that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE MUST'VE
COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Although visual evidence proves otherwise. It is only through the intellect
of a 10 year old that one arrives at erroneous conclusions.

No minor fires can do that, _ONLY_ synchronized explosions can.

Major fires obviously can do it. The lack of any explosions - visual or
audio, indicates any theory suggesting explosives were used is without
merit.

xxein: It appears obvious that the penthouse collapses first. It
would be a miracle that it had anything to due with the further
collapse. There was no outsplashing of material at any point except
for ground level. This means that the penthouse did not cause the
collapse.

There was cause for collapse only at ground level (or at least out of
view to the posted video links here). There was no evidence of
pancaking at any visible height (except for the penthouse itself).

That leaves only a lower support to be responsible. Now I can ask you
how ALL the lower supports gave up at the same time. And exactly how
coincidental was it that the penthouse collapsed (independently, at the
top) at the same time (at -.~2 secs)?

I usually reserve the word "idiot" to my workplace and do not extend it
to a public forum, but you are coming close to the exception to the
rule.

Do you have a physically evident scenario that supports your view of a
fire or whatever? Or are you just accepting a dictator's explanation?

I think we would all like to hear it, whatever it is, but I doubt that
it contains any physics that we have ever heard of.

I'll give the collapse 7 or 8 secs. if you want to extend it, but not
hardly 13. What you see at 13 is ground clutter that becomes visible
only after a ~ten block travel. If you want to cite the black smoke,
it only becomes visible in the video shot after it rises to view. 2 or
3 secs. after the penthouse arrives to the ground.


Why don't you show me a video of a plane striking the Pentagon? We are
shown a hole where the fusalage entered --- where are the engine holes?
There was no debris outside except for an engine part that that they
showed us that belonged to a mothballed fighter jet.

If you really want to believe something true, just click your red heels
together and come back to this universal physics.

Nevermind. Just follow the yellowbrick road. There is no man behind
the curtain. And don't come back. We have no use for you here.