I've no reason for any contention regarding this. It is a different
phenomina.
Here more of the photons leaving the exciter get collected by the secondary.
It is of course possible that some photons get used more than once or twice.

"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris"
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Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one
loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

Ever heard of a transformer, idiot?

I have made them that transform 3 turn primaries into 4000 turn
secondaries, and the math all works.

Please catch some magnetic field and send it to me.

"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris"
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The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

You're a ****ing retard, and the only thing that doesn't exist with
you is credibility.

Thank you, I tell you where you can see a lobotomised nude lady human robot
dancing in a sexy idiot dancing show. Morely college London, You might need
a pass to get past the guard and you might end up as one yourself.

They generally have to catch her after and re-attach her lead otherwise she
skips off down the street to play with her toys.

Chris.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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Chris

Sounds good to me, I think a transformer
is basically a "quantum mechanical" device,
if it's examined in detail. I think your ideas
are very reasonable and advanced.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:04:17 GMT, "The Real Chris"
Gave us:

I've no reason for any contention regarding this. It is a different
phenomina.
Here more of the photons leaving the exciter get collected by the secondary.
It is of course possible that some photons get used more than once or twice.


Stop top posting, you retarded twit.

The transformer is a long rectangle with the primary at one end and
the secondary at the other. ALL flux is transferred via the core.
Once and only once.

That last line pegs you squarely as a loon.

The Real Chris wrote:
If you make a single loop of wire bent into a circle and pass a regulated 1
amp current through it you will make a "magnetic field". According to Gauss
you have to imagine it is there and calculate accordingly. Then comes an
extraordinary performance of human intellect beginning with the magnetic
shells construction that shows that the field is uniform across the plane of
the loop.

I have no idea where you get the idea that the field should be uniform.
Indeed, a quick computation shows that for a loop of 1mm square wire in
a circle of radius 250 mm and a current of 1A, the B field at the center
is 25 Gauss, and at radius 240 mm it is 213 Gauss -- far from uniform.

[Yes, I have a program that can easily compute this; it took
me about 3 minutes to set it up and run it for this geometry.]


Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

For my values above, one will not achieve ~10% uniformity until the coil
is more than 250 mm long. That's a lot more than 6 turns. But your
compass has very poor resolution (far worse than 10%).


The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

Your discussion gives no support for this contention at all. Indeed, you
seem to be measuring a magnetic field....


Tom Roberts

Tom Roberts wrote:
The Real Chris wrote:
If you make a single loop of wire bent into a circle and pass a regulated 1
amp current through it you will make a "magnetic field". According to Gauss
you have to imagine it is there and calculate accordingly. Then comes an
extraordinary performance of human intellect beginning with the magnetic
shells construction that shows that the field is uniform across the plane of
the loop.

I have no idea where you get the idea that the field should be uniform.
Indeed, a quick computation shows that for a loop of 1mm square wire in
a circle of radius 250 mm and a current of 1A, the B field at the center
is 25 Gauss, and at radius 240 mm it is 213 Gauss -- far from uniform.

right, but his idea of photon exchangind make sense


[Yes, I have a program that can easily compute this; it took
me about 3 minutes to set it up and run it for this geometry.]


Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

For my values above, one will not achieve ~10% uniformity until the coil
is more than 250 mm long. That's a lot more than 6 turns. But your
compass has very poor resolution (far worse than 10%).


The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

Your discussion gives no support for this contention at all. Indeed, you
seem to be measuring a magnetic field....


Tom Roberts

Chris
I get the sense you think my reply was sarcastic,
well it wasn't, I'll provide an example...
In the past, in North America, A/C was wired at
25 cycles, then a decision was made to transmit
power at 60 cycles. Subsequently, the size of the
transformers reduced (I recall by volume & weight)
in proportion to 25/60 creating great $savings.
That itself renders the idea that power transmutation
is proportional to frequency and is thus quantized,
as Planck's QT predicts. I can follow with many
details, but basically those facts are in accord with
your thesis.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
[snip weird ****]
....
Chris

Sounds good to me, I think a transformer
is basically a "quantum mechanical" device,
if it's examined in detail. I think your ideas
are very reasonable and advanced.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker

The Real Chris top-posted:
Rubbish quantum mechanics it true at all energies. The energy of each of the
quanta are hf where f is the frequency of the exciter and the number of
quanta per cycle is the energy per cycle divided by hf. Nothing special
about low energies.

and wrote earlier:
The model of the magnetic effect of current is in reality the
Lorenz contraction of the moving electrons relative to the
fixed charges in the wire and the electrostatic force is
mediated by virtual photons.

Is there some way you can relate this Lorenz contraction
to the velocity of a electon in a conductor or electron beam?
I have seen a formula for that somewhere.

The photon energy you cite would depend on atomic
emission and absorbtion would it not? So we could
perhaps turn off the lights and watch the magnetism being formed.

Sue...







"Sue..." wrote in message
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The Real Chris wrote:

The inductive effect is in reality caused by the acceleration of
electrons.
Now these little charged particles are governed by quantum mechanics and
the
energy states up the ladder are discontinuous and the electrons jump from
one state to the next the two states overlap and during the transition a
fluctuation occurs and a photon emission occurs, just like the hydrogen
spectrum.

Look at Smith-Purcell radiation and see if your charges aren't moving
waaaay too slow for the effect you are assuming.

Sue...

On 15 Jul 2006 13:49:55 -0700, "my mother"
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Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris"
Gave us:

Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

Ever heard of a transformer, idiot?

I have made them that transform 3 turn primaries into 4000 turn
secondaries, and the math all works.

transformin dc!? fool


Actually, it is quite possible, and is the very basis for how a car
ignition coil works.

A standing DC field is placed on the "transformer" and upon release
of the DC current, the field snaps back down and the collapse yields a
stepped up voltage at the secondary.

Got clue?

On 15 Jul 2006 14:38:06 -0700, "Sue..."
Gave us:

The photon energy you cite would depend on atomic
emission and absorbtion would it not? So we could
perhaps turn off the lights and watch the magnetism being formed.

You guys seem attracted to each other. Is it "animal magnetism"?