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Old June 30th 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf

Some of our favourite anti-relativists are mentioned here. Page 5 see's
Valev - its crank science

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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names


Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf

Some of our favourite anti-relativists are mentioned here. Page 5 see's
Valev - its crank science

--
The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.

Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.

Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.

Relf's Law?
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the odour of roses."

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He should have had the whole Walter Babin website in the references ,
not only Pancho!
Vertigo Vergon and many other kooks must feel slighted......

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Old June 30th 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Phineas T Puddleduck
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In article .com,
dda1 wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf

Some of our favourite anti-relativists are mentioned here. Page 5 see's
Valev - its crank science



He should have had the whole Walter Babin website in the references ,
not only Pancho!
Vertigo Vergon and many other kooks must feel slighted......


Interesting insight though ain't it. I mean look at Vertigo. Classical
example of denial. Can't understand it - therefore it must be rubbish.
Still, I suppose the world needs idiots like him to balance out the
genius's like Einstein...

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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names


dda1 wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf

Some of our favourite anti-relativists are mentioned here. Page 5 see's
Valev - its crank science

--
The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.

Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.

Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.

Relf's Law?
"Bull**** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."

--
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He should have had the whole Walter Babin website in the references ,
not only Pancho!
Vertigo Vergon and many other kooks must feel slighted......


LOL Look who's yelling "kooks" --- one of the lowest.

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Default Vertigo Vertner Vergon-Google's Most Famous Cretin


Vert wrote:
snipped

Vertigo, you are being picked up by google more ad more often. Does
your family know . They should deal with your early onset of Alzheimer.
You pants are full of crap. So is your mouth. Still writing for the
Walter Babin kook site? Because no one else would publish your rubbish?

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Old June 30th 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names

In article . com, Vert
wrote:


He should have had the whole Walter Babin website in the references ,
not only Pancho!
Vertigo Vergon and many other kooks must feel slighted......


LOL Look who's yelling "kooks" --- one of the lowest.


Says the man who failed to understand any physics after 1900

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e=pc / p=hk

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Old June 30th 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Phineas T Puddleduck
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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names

In article .com,
Koobee Wublee wrote:

"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote
in message
news:290620062334517523%phineaspuddleduck@googlema il.com_NOSPAM...

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf


Here are my repsonses to Mr. Raine's papaer above. Although I cannot
say for all cranks, this crank is a little bit different from the rest.
After all, it is a rather interesting article without addressing much
physics or mathematical issues.


LOONEY TUNES SNIPPED

Thank you for proving the paper by example.

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e=pc and p=hk

Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.

Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.

Relf's Law?
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the odour of roses."

--
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Old July 2nd 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default Anti-relativists in an IOP article - recognise names

Koobee Wublee, the bumbling boobie:

"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote
in message
news:290620062334517523%phineaspuddleduck@googlem ail.com_NOSPAM...

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf


Here are my repsonses to Mr. Raine's papaer above. Although I cannot
say for all cranks, this crank is a little bit different from the rest.


In what way? The only difference between you and any other crackpot is
your choice of personal pet peeves about which to wax ignorant while
claiming to be an expert. It goes without saying that all cranks are litte
different in that respect.

[...]
2. 'Crank' Relativity

(i) Institutional relativists

Rutherford was right about SR being wrong.


That conflicts with your next comment about the mathematics being
simple. Rutherford had an excuse. You don't.

(ii) Inappropriate analogies

The mathematics of SR is ridiculously simple.


Then why is it that you cannot understand the resolution of the
twin paradox?

This crank is not math-envious of SR.


In that case, you merely don't understand it.

GR takes a little bit understanding of math involved. However, the
math is just an extention of the basics we all have learnt in high school.


Which are self-consistent if the ``basics we all have learnt in high
school'' are self-consistent.

The concept of GR is based on even more postulates than SR.


Yu mean, the equivalence principle? See:

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/...6-3/title.html

esp. sec. 3.1.

It is rather easy to refute GR through these vast number of postulates.


Which ``vast number of postulates,'' and why are you neglecting
the fact that classical physics requires an equivalent set of postulates
which differ only in what is assumed by the postulate? For example,
galilean relativity assumes (1) an affine space to define the spacetime,
(2) a metric, (3) a group of transformations which define a lie algebra.

The affine space isthe same affine space upon which relativity
is based, so the only differences are the choice of metric and
lie algebra. Nature happens to be the arbiter of correctness here.

(iii) Megalomaniac extention

I guess Mr. Raine has not heard of Mach's Principle.


Since mach's principle has no rigorous definition which is used
consistently, why should anyone bother mentioning it?

(iv) Symbolic jumble or spaghetti logic

The fallacy of the Twin's Paradox is very real.


For you, yes. But only because you think you understand relativity
despite the glaring evidence to the contrary.

Yet, it is hand-waved away time after time. Even with spacetime
diagram, the resolution must be backed up by mathematics. Yet,
where is the mathematics that backs up any resolution to the Twin's
Paradox.


On your planet? I don't know. Here on earth, one can take a trip
to a library and seek resources called textbooks. One can also exploit
the world wide web.

In 2006, we have been waiting
for 109 years ever since Larmor introduced Lorentz Transform to the
world. Poincare formed a BS interpretation based on the faulty
mathematics of Lorentz Transform. It is absolutely laughable.


Have you proved that hyperolic geometry is inconsistent? If so,
you have proved that euclidean geometry is inconsistent. You should
immediately stop posting to usenet and write an article for Nature,
as that would be one of the more amazing discoveries of the past
several millenia. If not, you shoud stop posting to usenet and
slink away in embarrassment.

3. Why Einstein

It has nothing to do with Einstein. It has all things to do with
logic, science, and math. Yes, all the things science is supposed to
stand for. Einstein is a nobody. His works were plagiarisms from
other cranks and certain alchemists.


In other words, it really is all about einstein.

4. What this tells us about science

Flawed since 1897 on. Current version of physics on the topics of
relativity is merely one of the 'crank' versions of relativity. It is
sad, silly, and again laughable all at the same time.


I certainly hope no one ever trusted you to do any engineering
that the unsuspecting public presumes to be safe unless you had
someone checking every number you calculated.


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Old July 2nd 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Koobee Wublee
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"Bilge" wrote in message
...
Koobee Wublee, the bumbling boobie:

"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote
in message
news:290620062334517523%phineaspuddleduck@googlem ail.com_NOSPAM...

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0143-0...ejp5_6_s09.pdf


Here are my repsonses to Mr. Raine's papaer above. Although I cannot
say for all cranks, this crank is a little bit different from the rest.


In what way? The only difference between you and any other crackpot is
your choice of personal pet peeves about which to wax ignorant while
claiming to be an expert. It goes without saying that all cranks are litte
different in that respect.


One day, the students of physics will regard the faithful believers of
Lorentz Transform as cranks. For more than 100 years of crackpottery.

[...]
2. 'Crank' Relativity

(i) Institutional relativists

Rutherford was right about SR being wrong.


That conflicts with your next comment about the mathematics being
simple. Rutherford had an excuse. You don't.


You don't need any excuses to distance yourself away from the absurdity
of
Lorentz Transform in which Rutherford was one of the first to recognize
the
absurdity in it.

(ii) Inappropriate analogies

The mathematics of SR is ridiculously simple.


Then why is it that you cannot understand the resolution of the
twin paradox?


I do understand it. In fact, I am one of the very few who does. It is
total BS. The proper resolution can only be done through math. Show
me the math just like every single other problems in physics. This
should be the very basis of physics.

This crank is not math-envious of SR.


In that case, you merely don't understand it.


Again, I challenge you to resolve the Twin's Paradox through math. You
can
present complex integrals if you wish. After all, the mathematics of
GR is
also under your disposal. Do it, and be a true physicist rather than
one of
the cranks which you have been calling others as if the pots calling
the
kettles black.

GR takes a little bit understanding of math involved. However, the
math is just an extention of the basics we all have learnt in high
school.


Which are self-consistent if the ``basics we all have learnt in high
school'' are self-consistent.


Algebra, calculus, physics before MMX, etc. Did you even learn and
understand these topics?

The concept of GR is based on even more postulates than SR.


Yu mean, the equivalence principle? See:

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/...6-3/title.html

esp. sec. 3.1.


No. Read my post. I have said the (Einstein) Equivalence Principle
has served no useful purpose in the development of GR.

It is rather easy to refute GR through these vast number of postulates.


Which ``vast number of postulates,'' and why are you neglecting
the fact that classical physics requires an equivalent set of postulates
which differ only in what is assumed by the postulate? For example,
galilean relativity assumes (1) an affine space to define the spacetime,


Spacetime is merely a postulate. In fact, merely a solid one according
to
Dr. Draper. It was the brainchild of Minkowski, one of Eisntein's
professors. Around that time, Einstein seemed to be able to get
himself surrounded with crackpots.

(2) a metric,


The metric was a mental, abstract exercise started with Gauss. Riemann

amazingly took it a step further and explained exactly how an object
would
behave under the curvature of space. Since gravity is not caused by
the
curvature of space but only time, it is rather silly to assume gravity
is
caused by the curvature of spacetime which itself is one of the many
absurd
postulates.

(3) a group of transformations which define a lie algebra.


That is why Poincare failed. His interpretations to SR was totally
based on
group theory not based on sound mathematics in which it is the only way
to
reconcile the observations with theories. To this day, when directly
confronted with this issue, I would get a lecture on group theory (Dr.
Robert's foliation of spacetime for example). Face it. Lorentz
Transform
is not about the group theory although it forms a group of your Lie
stuff.
Big deal! It does not address the real world issues. You need to use
traditional mathematics to deal with everyday experiences.

The affine space isthe same affine space upon which relativity
is based, so the only differences are the choice of metric and
lie algebra. Nature happens to be the arbiter of correctness here.

(iii) Megalomaniac extention

I guess Mr. Raine has not heard of Mach's Principle.


Since mach's principle has no rigorous definition which is used
consistently, why should anyone bother mentioning it?


To deny Mach's Principle is to turn your back on Newtonian physics and
GR.
Do you even know what you are talking about?

(iv) Symbolic jumble or spaghetti logic

The fallacy of the Twin's Paradox is very real.


For you, yes. But only because you think you understand relativity
despite the glaring evidence to the contrary.


What evidence? My point-blank appeal to resolve the Twin's Paradox
through
the very basis of this paradox manifests --- Lorentz Transfrom?

Yet, it is hand-waved away time after time. Even with spacetime
diagram, the resolution must be backed up by mathematics. Yet,
where is the mathematics that backs up any resolution to the Twin's
Paradox.


On your planet? I don't know. Here on earth, one can take a trip
to a library and seek resources called textbooks. One can also exploit
the world wide web.


Believe me. I am residing on the same planet earth as you are. I do
have
textbooks and internet at my disposal. Care to prove I don't? How did
I
post this message which you are reading now?

In 2006, we have been waiting
for 109 years ever since Larmor introduced Lorentz Transform to the
world. Poincare formed a BS interpretation based on the faulty
mathematics of Lorentz Transform. It is absolutely laughable.


Have you proved that hyperolic geometry is inconsistent? If so,
you have proved that euclidean geometry is inconsistent. You should
immediately stop posting to usenet and write an article for Nature,
as that would be one of the more amazing discoveries of the past
several millenia. If not, you shoud stop posting to usenet and
slink away in embarrassment.


I do understand the subject of SR and GR. You can only stop me from
posting
by evil means. Would you try?

3. Why Einstein

It has nothing to do with Einstein. It has all things to do with
logic, science, and math. Yes, all the things science is supposed to
stand for. Einstein is a nobody. His works were plagiarisms from
other cranks and certain alchemists.


In other words, it really is all about einstein.


No, no, and no. Read my writing again. Even if Einstein did not
exist, I
would still be criticizing Lorentz Transform for its absurdity in
manifesting the Twin's Paradox.

4. What this tells us about science

Flawed since 1897 on. Current version of physics on the topics of
relativity is merely one of the 'crank' versions of relativity. It is
sad, silly, and again laughable all at the same time.


I certainly hope no one ever trusted you to do any engineering
that the unsuspecting public presumes to be safe unless you had
someone checking every number you calculated.


Care to write a book about me?

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Old July 2nd 06 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Dirk Van de moortel
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"Koobee Wublee" wrote in message ups.com...
"Bilge" wrote in message
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[snip]

I certainly hope no one ever trusted you to do any engineering
that the unsuspecting public presumes to be safe unless you had
someone checking every number you calculated.


Care to write a book about me?


Has been done already:
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASI...243755-0492849

Dirk Vdm


 




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