On 28 Mar 2006 05:18:20 -0800, "Randy Poe" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
Consider a laser that is emitting pulses of light from each end.
One would have to conclude that these were separating from each other at a
speed of 2c.

Yes.

Why doesn't this violate SR? Because "separation rate" is
not the measured velocity of anything, according to anybody.

Now replace one laser beam with a series of electrons traveling at 0.9999c wrt
the laser.
One would have to conclude that the laser pulses were separating from the
electrons at ~2c.

Also correct.

Next, replace the electron beam with two pions beams, one traveling at 0.5c wrt
the laser and the other at 0.9999c.

Also correct.

Let the pions decay and emit a gamma particle in the direction of the laser.

Question: What is the speed of the gamma particles wrt the laser pulses?

As gammas are photons, the speed is c. According to
the lab observer who has been measuring all of this,
the separation rate of the gammas from your original
laser pulses is either 0 or 2c.

So what does that make the speed of the gammas wrt the pions?


However, "speed wrt" implies the view of some other
observer, and an observer riding along with laser pulses
is not an allowed point of view in SR.

I don't think you know what you are talking about Randy.
SR clearly breaks down when it considers 3rd observers.

Up to the point where you used that [deliberately?]
ambiguous terminology, everything was from
the point of view of a single observer and no transformations
were involved since there is only one frame of reference.

Everything you say fully supports the BaTh of light.
According to 3rd observers, all starlight does NOT travel to Earth at c and
variable star brightness curves ARE a direct consequence of light's variable
speed through space.


- Randy


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Henri Wilson wrote:
Consider a laser that is emitting pulses of light from each end.
One would have to conclude that these were separating from each other at a
speed of 2c.

Yup.

Now replace one laser beam with a series of electrons traveling at 0.9999c wrt
the laser.
One would have to conclude that the laser pulses were separating from the
electrons at ~2c.

Yep.


Next, replace the electron beam with two pions beams, one traveling at 0.5c wrt
the laser and the other at 0.9999c.
Let the pions decay and emit a gamma particle in the direction of the laser.

Okay.


Question: What is the speed of the gamma particles wrt the laser pulses?

c

I can't wait to hear your comical objections.




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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Jerry

"Jerry" wrote in message
oups.com...
| Henri Wilson wrote:
| On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry"
wrote:
|
| Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
| force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...
|
| Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?
|
| Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
| Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
| and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?
|
| Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...
|
| Jerry


Wilson said
[quote]
Einstein said that if you synch clocks """"IN THE AETHER"""" so that tAB =
tBA
then you can forget all about that aether and TWLS will always equal OWLS
due to clock fiddling.
The silly fool was actually right all along but for the wrong reasons.
[end quote]
Wilson is a troll who will disagree with anyone for the sake of argument.

Androcles.
29032240

On 29 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

There is no theoretical limit to relative speed.

In an accelerator that uses an electric field, the moving charge builds up a
reverse field around itself. The faster it goes the bigger the reverse field.
At speed c wrt the plates, the local reverse field balances the applied field.


Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Don 't even suggest it.
I am a true relativist.



Jerry


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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 29 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

There is no theoretical limit to relative speed.

In an accelerator that uses an electric field, the moving charge builds up a
reverse field around itself. The faster it goes the bigger the reverse field.
At speed c wrt the plates, the local reverse field balances the applied field.


Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Don 't even suggest it.
I am a true relativist.

One word: "H-aether".




Jerry


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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:44:58 GMT, "Hexenmeister" wrote:


"Jerry" wrote in message
roups.com...
| Henri Wilson wrote:
| On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry"
wrote:
|
| Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
| force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...
|
| Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?
|
| Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
| Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
| and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?
|
| Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...
|
| Jerry


Wilson said
[quote]
Einstein said that if you synch clocks """"IN THE AETHER"""" so that tAB =
tBA
then you can forget all about that aether and TWLS will always equal OWLS
due to clock fiddling.
The silly fool was actually right all along but for the wrong reasons.
[end quote]
Wilson is a troll who will disagree with anyone for the sake of argument.

Androcles.

29032240 = 1/Androcles IQ


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On 29 Mar 2006 18:34:30 -0800, "Eric Gisse" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 29 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

There is no theoretical limit to relative speed.

In an accelerator that uses an electric field, the moving charge builds up a
reverse field around itself. The faster it goes the bigger the reverse field.
At speed c wrt the plates, the local reverse field balances the applied field.


Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Don 't even suggest it.
I am a true relativist.

One word: "H-aether".

Two words: **** off!



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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 29 Mar 2006 18:34:30 -0800, "Eric Gisse" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 29 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

There is no theoretical limit to relative speed.

In an accelerator that uses an electric field, the moving charge builds up a
reverse field around itself. The faster it goes the bigger the reverse field.
At speed c wrt the plates, the local reverse field balances the applied field.


Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Don 't even suggest it.
I am a true relativist.

One word: "H-aether".

Two words: **** off!

I will rub your theory in your face until you stop ****ting it all over
these newsgroups.




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Henri Wilson skrev:
On 29 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 23:54:04 -0800, "Jerry" wrote:

Oh, yeah, you postulate the existence of some sort of retrograde
force operating on charged particles, forget what you call it...

Are you refering to Wilson's 'reverse field bubble'?

Oh yeah, that's what you call it...
Tell me, Henri, what does an electron pass through that pushes back
and keeps the electron from going any faster than c?

There is no theoretical limit to relative speed.

In an accelerator that uses an electric field, the moving charge builds up a
reverse field around itself. The faster it goes the bigger the reverse field.
At speed c wrt the plates, the local reverse field balances the applied field.


Aether? Are you an aetherist? Sure sounds like it to me...

Don 't even suggest it.
I am a true relativist.



Jerry


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