The current theories of relativity assume that space is an empty void.
Let us test the ideas considering that such is true. Suppose I were in
a spaceship between stationary space stations A and B (in relation to
one another). Suppose that I took off from station A and were moving
toward station B. Imagine also that I was emitting a laser beam of a
specific frequency to A and B and that I was recieving the same from
both stations. Now, consistent with the idea that the beams of light
consist of photons, we will deal only with the idea of particles
traveling through empty space. The point is, for me to measure the
speed of photons from any direction to always be c, would not my
measurement of time (faster or slower in relation to another) vary in
order to compensate for what would otherwise be a discrepency with the
postulate that the speed of any photon never varies?

Think about this... suppose I am moving toward station B from A. For me
to not add any more speed to photons that I am moving toward, my time
would have to be faster (with regard to the frame of reference (A and
B)) for me to measure c (supposedly a constant). But what about photons
coming from station A which I am receding? The rate at which my seconds
tick would then have to be slower to keep c at about 300,000 KM/s for
me. My time would have to be slower when I measure the speed of light I
emit toward B and faster when I measure the ones emitted toward me from
B and vice-versa when considering the beams between me and station A.
Something does not add up.

"kolt" wrote in message
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The current theories of relativity assume that space is an empty void.
Let us test the ideas considering that such is true. Suppose I were in
a spaceship between stationary space stations A and B (in relation to
one another). Suppose that I took off from station A and were moving
toward station B. Imagine also that I was emitting a laser beam of a
specific frequency to A and B and that I was recieving the same from
both stations. Now, consistent with the idea that the beams of light
consist of photons, we will deal only with the idea of particles
traveling through empty space. The point is, for me to measure the
speed of photons from any direction to always be c, would not my
measurement of time (faster or slower in relation to another) vary in
order to compensate for what would otherwise be a discrepency with the
postulate that the speed of any photon never varies?

No. As an inertial observer your measurement of time is exactly the same as
any other inertial observer.

Bill


Think about this... suppose I am moving toward station B from A. For me
to not add any more speed to photons that I am moving toward, my time
would have to be faster (with regard to the frame of reference (A and
B)) for me to measure c (supposedly a constant). But what about photons
coming from station A which I am receding? The rate at which my seconds
tick would then have to be slower to keep c at about 300,000 KM/s for
me. My time would have to be slower when I measure the speed of light I
emit toward B and faster when I measure the ones emitted toward me from
B and vice-versa when considering the beams between me and station A.
Something does not add up.

So then what? I think you get the point.

Kolt

"kolt" wrote in message
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So then what? I think you get the point.

So your question does not make sense. I suspect you get the point to.

Bill


Kolt

"kolt" wrote in message
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The current theories of relativity assume that space is an empty void.

Wrong. Instead "space" is thought to have properties.

Harald

kolt wrote:
The current theories of relativity assume that space is an empty void.
Let us test the ideas considering that such is true. Suppose I were in
a spaceship between stationary space stations A and B (in relation to
one another). Suppose that I took off from station A and were moving
toward station B. Imagine also that I was emitting a laser beam of a
specific frequency to A and B and that I was recieving the same from
both stations. Now, consistent with the idea that the beams of light
consist of photons, we will deal only with the idea of particles
traveling through empty space. The point is, for me to measure the
speed of photons from any direction to always be c, would not my
measurement of time (faster or slower in relation to another) vary in
order to compensate for what would otherwise be a discrepency with the
postulate that the speed of any photon never varies?

Think about this... suppose I am moving toward station B from A. For me
to not add any more speed to photons that I am moving toward, my time
would have to be faster (with regard to the frame of reference (A and
B)) for me to measure c (supposedly a constant). But what about photons
coming from station A which I am receding? The rate at which my seconds
tick would then have to be slower to keep c at about 300,000 KM/s for
me. My time would have to be slower when I measure the speed of light I
emit toward B and faster when I measure the ones emitted toward me from
B and vice-versa when considering the beams between me and station A.
Something does not add up.

Photon speeds don't vary. Their probability of absorbtion does.
http://nobelprize.org/physics/laurea...n-lecture.html
http://www.physics.yorku.ca/undergra...ch/Feynm4.html

Sue...

kolt wrote:
The current theories of relativity assume that space is an empty void.
Let us test the ideas considering that such is true. Suppose I were in
a spaceship between stationary space stations A and B (in relation to
one another). Suppose that I took off from station A and were moving
toward station B. Imagine also that I was emitting a laser beam of a
specific frequency to A and B and that I was recieving the same from
both stations. Now, consistent with the idea that the beams of light
consist of photons, we will deal only with the idea of particles
traveling through empty space. The point is, for me to measure the
speed of photons from any direction to always be c, would not my
measurement of time (faster or slower in relation to another) vary in
order to compensate for what would otherwise be a discrepency with the
postulate that the speed of any photon never varies?

Think about this... suppose I am moving toward station B from A. For me
to not add any more speed to photons that I am moving toward, my time
would have to be faster (with regard to the frame of reference (A and
B)) for me to measure c (supposedly a constant). But what about photons
coming from station A which I am receding? The rate at which my seconds
tick would then have to be slower to keep c at about 300,000 KM/s for
me. My time would have to be slower when I measure the speed of light I
emit toward B and faster when I measure the ones emitted toward me from
B and vice-versa when considering the beams between me and station A.
Something does not add up.

That's right, but what doesn't add up is your understanding of time
dilation.
You have it in your head that if you're heading toward a photon at, say
1/3 the speed of light, then in order for the speed of light to not
look 2/3 as fast as c, my time dilation factor should be 3/2, so that
the speed appears to be (3/2)(2/3)c = c.

But for a relative speed of 1/3, the time dilation factor according to
relativity is in fact gamma = 1.06, not 3/2 (=1.5).

So what you have in your head for how to determine the time dilation
factor must not be right.

PD

"Bill Hobba" wrote in message
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"kolt" wrote in message
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So then what? I think you get the point.

So your question does not make sense. I suspect you get the point to.


--
"Cranks are usually big on using adjectives like 'real' as if it had
some actual meaning."
---Hobba

"SR has nothing to do with 'perception', is has to do with time and
distances as indicated by real apparatus eg rulers and clocks."
---- Hobba

So how does it all work out with regard to speed of everything involved
if c is to be a constant? That is a simple question needing a simple
answer.

kolt wrote:
So how does it all work out with regard to speed of everything involved
if c is to be a constant? That is a simple question needing a simple
answer.

Try reading a superb little book (in paperback, no less): Spacetime
Physics, by Taylor and Wheeler.

It's really not worth teaching someone relativity from scratch on a
newsgroup. It's really not.

PD