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In sci.physics.relativity, Nick Summers
wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:33:42 GMT : http://www.simplegravity.com/#gravitywheel The following is called "Steven's Principle": If an assumed (virtual) motion of the machine results in a final state of the system (the machine and its interactive environment) indistinguishable from its initial state, and zero net work is done on the system during this motion (no work in; no work out) then that assumed motion will not occur. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum...htm#stevinprob The statement is attributed to Simon Steven, a Flemish mathematician and engineer and his disproving of a ball-ramp device, but it works equally well here for your gravity-harnessing machine. Also, your system is very close and possibly identical to the gravity shield engine: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum...k.htm#gravshld In short: it no workey. Nick -- #191, It's still legal to go .sigless. |
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Nick Summers wrote: http://www.simplegravity.com/#gravitywheel Nick Your machine would only work if the gravitational field were not conservative; but it is conservative, so the machine won't work. If you work through the math, you can show that it won't work. Paul Cardinale |
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"Nick Summers" wrote in message ... http://www.simplegravity.com/#gravitywheel Nick Every atom that moves deeper into the gravity well as the wheel spins has to then move back out of that gravity well as it moves back towards the "right side", right? That requires an equal amount of energy, so there is no imbalance to cause the wheel to spin at all. The use of a lead bar on top of the earth is just a graphical trick to make you forget about the "shape" of the gravity well. Draw in some lines representing equal gravitational force and you'll quickly see the setup can't possibly work. -Howard |
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Nick Summers wrote: http://www.simplegravity.com/#gravitywheel We understand it work for idiots like physicists. And if perpetual motion had anything to do with work people would actually buy their patents, now and then, rather than just simply filing all of them with Disney and under the heading of "What idiots and Micheal Moore do with Wave Machines". Nick |
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