Here is the reason that Einstein had a poor understanding of his own
theories:

In 1949, Einstein's friend, Kurt "lunatic" Godel, announced to the
world that the spacetime of general relativity allows time travel via
closed timelike loops. Einstein agreed with Godel's finding but he was
not happy. He could not fathom how his grand theory would allow
something as ridiculous as time travel.

The problem with Godel's claim is that nothing can move in spacetime,
i.e., no time travel, no particles moving along their geodesics in
curved spacetime. Heck, no motion at all! IOW, spacetime is a
fictitious construct that does not model anything in reality. The fact
that nothing can move in spacetime was mentioned by several prominent
thinkers during Einstein's life. None other than Sir Karl Popper
(another friend of Einstein) wrote the following in 'Conjectures and
Refutations':

At the same time I realized that such myths may be developed, and
become testable; that historically speaking all — or very nearly
all — scientific theories originate from myths, and that a myth
may contain important anticipations of scientific theories.
Examples are Empedocles' theory of evolution by trial and error,
or Parmenides' myth of the unchanging block universe in which
nothing ever happens and which, if we add another dimension,
becomes Einstein's block universe (in which, too, nothing ever
happens, since everything is, four-dimensionally speaking,
determined and laid down from the beginning).

Thus Einstein's "unchanging block universe" makes him twentieth
century's Parmenides, which did not prevent him from believing in time
travel. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. ahahaha...

Now a whole new generation of notorious crackpots in high places have
jumped in lunatic Godel's time travel banwagon. Examples are Kip
"wormhole" Thorne, Stephen "black hole" Hawking, Brian "superstring"
Greene, Michio Kaku (Mucho Kuckoo), etc... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...

Physics is so much phucking phun. ahahaha...

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Traveler wrote:
Here is the reason that Einstein had a poor understanding of his own
theories:

In 1949, Einstein's friend, Kurt "lunatic" Godel, announced to the
world that the spacetime of general relativity allows time travel via
closed timelike loops. Einstein agreed with Godel's finding but he was
not happy. He could not fathom how his grand theory would allow
something as ridiculous as time travel.

The problem with Godel's claim is that nothing can move in spacetime,
i.e., no time travel, no particles moving along their geodesics in
curved spacetime. Heck, no motion at all! IOW, spacetime is a
fictitious construct that does not model anything in reality.

Of course it's a fictitious construct. All models in physical theories
are. Spacetime is not a thing. It is a mental construct for aiding in
the analysis of events and the relationships presumed to exist among
them. Ditto for phase space, contact space, configuration space, etc.
It is the points on the tangent space of spacetime that can "move,"
like a bug crawling on a map of a city.

On 5 Dec 2005 11:21:57 -0800, wrote:


Traveler wrote:
Here is the reason that Einstein had a poor understanding of his own
theories:

In 1949, Einstein's friend, Kurt "lunatic" Godel, announced to the
world that the spacetime of general relativity allows time travel via
closed timelike loops. Einstein agreed with Godel's finding but he was
not happy. He could not fathom how his grand theory would allow
something as ridiculous as time travel.

The problem with Godel's claim is that nothing can move in spacetime,
i.e., no time travel, no particles moving along their geodesics in
curved spacetime. Heck, no motion at all! IOW, spacetime is a
fictitious construct that does not model anything in reality.

Of course it's a fictitious construct. All models in physical theories
are.

Not true. A model is supposed to represent (model) something in
nature. We have models of the atom that are refined over the years as
knowledge increases. They representr actual entities (electrons,
neutrons, positrons, protrons, etc...). Spacetime is not a model
because it represents nothing physical.

Spacetime is not a thing.

It's not a model either.

It is a mental construct for aiding in
the analysis of events and the relationships presumed to exist among
them. Ditto for phase space, contact space, configuration space, etc.

I have no problem with that. But how does one get from a fictitious
construct like spacetime to time travel. Obviously Einstein and a
whole bunch of other people believed and continue to believe that
spacetime represents something in nature. The histroical record cannot
be erased. This crap is in countless school textbooks. Brian Greene
himself claims that matter affects spacetime which in turns affects
the motion of matter. ahahaha... This is pure unmitigated crackpottery
of the worst kind. Why? Because it does not come from Archimeded
Plutonium, but from renown and respected scientists. What gives?

It is the points on the tangent space of spacetime that can "move,"
like a bug crawling on a map of a city.

Certainly, but this does not prevent a bunch of crackpots, con artists
and lunatics (e.g., Kurt Godel, Albert Einstein, Kip Thorne, Michio
Kaku, Stephen Hawking, Brian Greene, Carl Sagan, David Deutsche,
etc...) from believing in time travel, even though the "model" does
not support motion in time at all. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

In 1949, Einstein's friend, Kurt "lunatic" Godel, announced to the
world that the spacetime of general relativity allows time travel via
closed timelike loops.

****ing idiot..... I hope you kill yourself today.

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:45:40 -0800, "odin" wrote:

In 1949, Einstein's friend, Kurt "lunatic" Godel, announced to the
world that the spacetime of general relativity allows time travel via
closed timelike loops.

****ing idiot..... I hope you kill yourself today.

ahahaha... Sorry. Your wish will not come to pass. I plan to be a pain
in the ass for a lot of people and for a long time. ahahaha...
AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Traveler wrote:

[snip]


Certainly, but this does not prevent a bunch of crackpots, con artists
and lunatics (e.g., Kurt Godel, Albert Einstein, Kip Thorne, Michio
Kaku, Stephen Hawking, Brian Greene, Carl Sagan, David Deutsche,
etc...) from believing in time travel, even though the "model" does
not support motion in time at all. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...


You forgot to add, Baez, Roberts, Dirty van der Psychous von Pandora,
Samy the Wormhead, Eric Goose and plenty of others. they all believe,
whether they know it or not, in a block universe.


Mike



Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Traveler wrote:

Not true. A model is supposed to represent (model) something in
nature. We have models of the atom that are refined over the years as
knowledge increases. They representr actual entities (electrons,
neutrons, positrons, protrons, etc...). Spacetime is not a model
because it represents nothing physical.

On the contrary, the revelation of relativity theory is that
spacetime *is* a thing; that space and time aren't just a disinterested
stage on which other things go about their business. When Einstein made
his first visit to the U.S., he was asked to briefly explain his
theory, to which he replied that if, hypothetically, one were to
dispose of everything in the universe, space & time would have to be
disposed of as well.

-Mark Martin

Louis Savain says that "Einstein was dumb". There is another saying
that starts out "Don't throw stones...".

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

Traveler wrote:

[snip]

The problem with Godel's claim is that nothing can move in spacetime,
i.e., no time travel, no particles moving along their geodesics in
curved spacetime.

[snip]

In GR, space-time has an independent existence apart from material
objects, it is the arena when events happen, in a way analogous to
Newton's space and time. Thus, the "lunatic" was correct and you are
just ignorant of the details. Furthermore, Godel said that the
space-time account allows time travel NOT that it facilitates time
travel.

Mike

Daryl McCullough wrote:

Louis Savain says that "Einstein was dumb". There is another saying
that starts out "Don't throw stones...".

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

OR 'People in glass houses..', or something.........
John