"Tom Roberts" wrote in message
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Bilge wrote:
So far, all of the requests for causes and explanations, have amounted to
demanding a reason for choosing a lorentzian metric over a galilean
metric.
I justify the choice by the fact that the only justification for choosing
one over the other, is by agreement with experiment. Since I don't really
think nature cares about historical priority, I see no reason to invent
an ether to try and maintain a galilean universe and I see a great many
reasons to not try and do so.

Yes.


You seem to be of the opinion that the opposition to the ether is
primarily a passive resistance to an alternative, rather than an
active rejection of the physics implied by ether theories, which
is never addressed by ether theories. [...]

Yes. But you missed the big one: the quantum aspects of light. If light is
"a collective phenomena in the ether" (which is pretty much the definition
of an ether theory), how does the quantum nature of light emerge?


Oh, that's an easy one. Even I can answer that one.

The "ether" is made of photons! :-) EM ZPF photons to be exact.

main_engineering


Other than Ilja, none of the ether advocates around here have any concept
of how large a body of experimental evidence there is, and how much of it
has _never_ been approached, much less explained, by any ether theory.


Tom Roberts

"main_engineering" wrote in message
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| "Tom Roberts" wrote in message
| t...
| Bilge wrote:
| So far, all of the requests for causes and explanations, have
amounted to
| demanding a reason for choosing a lorentzian metric over a galilean
| metric.
| I justify the choice by the fact that the only justification for
choosing
| one over the other, is by agreement with experiment. Since I don't
really
| think nature cares about historical priority, I see no reason to
invent
| an ether to try and maintain a galilean universe and I see a great
many
| reasons to not try and do so.
|
| Yes.
|
|
| You seem to be of the opinion that the opposition to the ether is
| primarily a passive resistance to an alternative, rather than an
| active rejection of the physics implied by ether theories, which
| is never addressed by ether theories. [...]
|
| Yes. But you missed the big one: the quantum aspects of light. If
light is
| "a collective phenomena in the ether" (which is pretty much the
definition
| of an ether theory), how does the quantum nature of light emerge?
|
|
| Oh, that's an easy one. Even I can answer that one.
|
| The "ether" is made of photons! :-) EM ZPF photons to be exact.
|
| main_engineering

Sorry Todd,

A medium couldn't be made of the "waves" of the medium; even
quantum-like waves. The quantum nature of light would simply be due to
the quantum nature of the medium. The medium would have to be composed
of virtual fermionic pairs and "less than virtual" (LTV) fermionic
pairs. So that at any instant of time (or very short interval), photons
and all gauge bosons are composites of corresponding virtual fermions.
The "less than virtual" fermions are simply the "sea" in much like a
Dirac-like Sea scenario. It's pretty simple really. Most of the medium
is hidden from us on the other side of a event horizon boundary that
physically moves at c. However in addition to the LTV fermionic pairs,
we suspect there are "particles" that are neither fermions or bosons in
the "sea". The missing link?

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps

http://www.vacuum-physics.com

main_engineering:

"Tom Roberts" wrote in message
et...
Bilge wrote:
So far, all of the requests for causes and explanations, have amounted to
demanding a reason for choosing a lorentzian metric over a galilean
metric.
I justify the choice by the fact that the only justification for choosing
one over the other, is by agreement with experiment. Since I don't really
think nature cares about historical priority, I see no reason to invent
an ether to try and maintain a galilean universe and I see a great many
reasons to not try and do so.

Yes.


You seem to be of the opinion that the opposition to the ether is
primarily a passive resistance to an alternative, rather than an
active rejection of the physics implied by ether theories, which
is never addressed by ether theories. [...]

Yes. But you missed the big one: the quantum aspects of light. If light is
"a collective phenomena in the ether" (which is pretty much the definition
of an ether theory), how does the quantum nature of light emerge?


Oh, that's an easy one. Even I can answer that one.

The "ether" is made of photons! :-) EM ZPF photons to be exact.


You said you were going to answer that. Where is the answer?

"FrediFizzx" wrote in message
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"main_engineering" wrote in message
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| "Tom Roberts" wrote in message
| t...
| Bilge wrote:
| So far, all of the requests for causes and explanations, have
amounted to
| demanding a reason for choosing a lorentzian metric over a galilean
| metric.
| I justify the choice by the fact that the only justification for
choosing
| one over the other, is by agreement with experiment. Since I don't
really
| think nature cares about historical priority, I see no reason to
invent
| an ether to try and maintain a galilean universe and I see a great
many
| reasons to not try and do so.
|
| Yes.
|
|
| You seem to be of the opinion that the opposition to the ether is
| primarily a passive resistance to an alternative, rather than an
| active rejection of the physics implied by ether theories, which
| is never addressed by ether theories. [...]
|
| Yes. But you missed the big one: the quantum aspects of light. If
light is
| "a collective phenomena in the ether" (which is pretty much the
definition
| of an ether theory), how does the quantum nature of light emerge?
|
|
| Oh, that's an easy one. Even I can answer that one.
|
| The "ether" is made of photons! :-) EM ZPF photons to be exact.
|
| main_engineering

Sorry Todd,

A medium couldn't be made of the "waves" of the medium; even
quantum-like waves. The quantum nature of light would simply be due to
the quantum nature of the medium. The medium would have to be composed
of virtual fermionic pairs and "less than virtual" (LTV) fermionic
pairs. So that at any instant of time (or very short interval), photons
and all gauge bosons are composites of corresponding virtual fermions.
The "less than virtual" fermions are simply the "sea" in much like a
Dirac-like Sea scenario. It's pretty simple really. Most of the medium
is hidden from us on the other side of a event horizon boundary that
physically moves at c. However in addition to the LTV fermionic pairs,
we suspect there are "particles" that are neither fermions or bosons in
the "sea". The missing link?

FrediFizzx

You lost me completely with your dual space and event horizon moving at c.
But about such new particles, someone in one of these NG's (sorry I forgot
who) gave a link to:

http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st14

Harald