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let A be a passenger in a car. A is tightly held in the seat by the seat
belt. B is standing along the side of the road and sees A, the car, and a book that is on the seat next to A all moving together at 22 m/s. if A and the car suddenly slow to 20 m/s, in the absence of friction with the seat the book continues to move. relative to A, there is no apparent force on the book that is pushing it forward, but it appears to start moving, in violation of newton's first law. but relative to B, the book continues to move at 22 m/s and detects no violation of newton's first law. each observer, A in the car, and B standing on the ground, defines a reference frame. a reference frame requires a coordinate system and a set of clocks, which enable A or B to measure positions, velocities, and accelarations in A's or B's particular reference frame. A and B reach different conclusion about the acceleration of the book. A concluded that it accelerates foward, while B concluded that its acceleration is zero. in general, the acceleration of a body depends on the reference frame to which it is measured. however, the laws of classical mechanics are valid only in a certain set of reference frames in which all observers would measure the same acceleration for a moving body. this set of reference frames is called inertial frames. the tendency of a body to remain at rest or in uniform linear motion is called inertia, and newton's first law is often called the law of inertia because it allows us to choose this special family of reference frames if we express the first law as follows: if the net force acting on a body is zero, then it is possible to find a set of reference frames in which that body has no acceleration. from physics by resnick, halliday, and krane |
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from physics by resnick, halliday, and krane Is there a point to posting this? How many here weren't taught this in what, grade 9 physics? |
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(a) according to the principle of relativity, the laws of physics (not just
the laws of classical mechanics, as stated below) are valid in all inertial reference frames (enertial reference frames, as stated below, are those in which all observers would measure the same acceleration for a moving body). (b) also, according to the principle of the constancy of the speed of light, the speed of light in free space has the same value c in all inertial reference frames (as defined below). with respect to principle (b), let A, B, and C be three observer, each at rest in their corresponding inertial reference frame. a flash of ligfht is emitted by A, who observes the light to travel at speed c. the frame of B is moving away from A at a speed of c/4. galilean kinematics predicts that B measures the value c - c/4 = 3c/4. C is in a frame that is moving towards A with speed of c/4. according to galileo, C measures a speed of c + c/4 = 5c/4 for the speed of the light emitted by A. but according to principle (b), all three observers measure the same speed c for the light pulse. "francisco" wrote in message . .. let A be a passenger in a car. A is tightly held in the seat by the seat belt. B is standing along the side of the road and sees A, the car, and a book that is on the seat next to A all moving together at 22 m/s. if A and the car suddenly slow to 20 m/s, in the absence of friction with the seat the book continues to move. relative to A, there is no apparent force on the book that is pushing it forward, but it appears to start moving, in violation of newton's first law. but relative to B, the book continues to move at 22 m/s and detects no violation of newton's first law. each observer, A in the car, and B standing on the ground, defines a reference frame. a reference frame requires a coordinate system and a set of clocks, which enable A or B to measure positions, velocities, and accelarations in A's or B's particular reference frame. A and B reach different conclusion about the acceleration of the book. A concluded that it accelerates foward, while B concluded that its acceleration is zero. in general, the acceleration of a body depends on the reference frame to which it is measured. however, the laws of classical mechanics are valid only in a certain set of reference frames in which all observers would measure the same acceleration for a moving body. this set of reference frames is called inertial frames. the tendency of a body to remain at rest or in uniform linear motion is called inertia, and newton's first law is often called the law of inertia because it allows us to choose this special family of reference frames if we express the first law as follows: if the net force acting on a body is zero, then it is possible to find a set of reference frames in which that body has no acceleration. from physics by resnick, halliday, and krane |
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"DarkD" wrote in message u... from physics by resnick, halliday, and krane Is there a point to posting this? How many here weren't taught this in what, grade 9 physics? There is no point - he is simply a troll. Thanks Bill |
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Bill,
I am sure he did not intend to offend anyone by posting something actually provable. Robert B. winn |
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wrote in message ups.com... Bill, I am sure he did not intend to offend anyone by posting something actually provable. Robert B. winn His tactic is simply to cut an paste often off topic rubbish, and in some cases even distort it, to stir up trouble in this group. See his other posts such as how to arrive at x' = x - vt which is a deliberate distortion of what Einstein wrote. Bill |
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A few comments:
with respect to principle (b), let A, B, and C be three observer, each at rest in their corresponding inertial reference frame. a flash of ligfht is emitted by A, who observes the light to travel at speed c. The word "observes" here means "measures". In SR these two words are equivalent (usually). So, if A attempts to *measure* the speed of the flash of light, SR says that he will obtain a value of c. the frame of B is moving away from A at a speed of c/4. galilean kinematics predicts that B measures the value c - c/4 = 3c/4. No. Galilean kinematics predicts that the speed of light *will* be 3c/4; NOT *measured* to be 3c/4. The word *measured* you used (or from where ever you got it...) is misused. Do not mix the meanings of these words as it has been for many decades.... --- If you want to be sure, then always doubt }:-) |
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