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Memorandum for the Record Subject: US Tax Dollars - How NOT to spend them! More detailed commentary on Woodward's & Murad's remarks below On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote: My critique of the Haisch ZPF theory agrees with Nobel Prize physicist Shelly Glashow's and with Coventry University's Ian Peterson's. You can read it in a slightly uncorrected galley at http://qedcorp.com/APS/galley.pdf 14 megs http://qedcorp.com/APS/cover.jpg The book will be out ~ October, 2005 A shorter tech version 2 megs is at http://qedcorp.com/APS/zpf2005.pdf There is a Rev Mod Phys article on "quantum friction" that shows that the drag below is at best a small correction to the mass. The Higgs coherence mechanism explains the origin of inertia. The Haisch theory is to quote Shelly Glashow "not even wrong". It is a waste of USG taxpayer's money to support that line of inquiry IMHO. Any theory based only on the EM field is clearly incomplete at best. On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Robert Baker wrote: -----Original Message----- From: james f woodward ] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:39 AM To: Cc: Subject: W-E Experiment Update-4C-MLT TRL Ratings "Paul, I guess there are a couple of points that I didn't include in the previous email about this that I should mention. You are right; their argument assumes that the ZPF exerts a full Lorentz force on an accelerating electric charge. There are two problems with this. First, the virtual photons of the EM ZPF do not exert the magnetic part of the Lorentz force on anything. That is the operational difference between "virtual" and "real" photons it turns out. If virtual photons did exert the magnetic part of the Lorentz force on anything, large, unobserved effects would be predicted." This is an interesting idea. Detailed proof? Reference? Seems right. It completely demolishes the Haisch theory if true. It is definitely true that no virtual quanta can elicit any observable irreversible quantum electrodynamic response in a measurement. This is in contrast to gravity where a direct response and influence is demanded by the equivalence principle. Both Haisch and Puthoff and their collaborators are not at all aware of the latter. They never mention it in any of their publications and reports yet it is key to low power practical metric engineering of warp and wormhole. So Woodward says that there is no Lorentz force effect in the Lamb shift for example? "Second, even if you allow the magnetic part of the Lorentz force -- essential to the HRP argument -- act on accelerating charges, there would be no net, time-averaged force in the direction of the acceleration. It turns out that the Lorentz force of an EM wave acting on a free charge makes it move in a little figure-8 -- without any net momentum transfer in the direction of the wave. In order to get momentum transfer in the direction of the wave, you have to introduce some radiation damping to introduce a phase lag between the action of the E and B parts of the wave. But radiation damping already implicitly involves the "mass" of the particle that the whole argument is alleged to explain. So you end up explaining mass by putting it in by hand." Good point. "And then, of course, there's the coupling problem I already mentioned. ZPF virtual photons acting on electric charges just don't explain inertia .. . . . But if they did, then Peter's little paper on radiation reaction -- though intended as a vector approximation of gravity (a la Sciama) -- shows in principle that Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory can equally account for the effect. So you don't really have to believe in the ZPF as real virtual photons after all (as Milonni showed all those years ago). :-)" Agreed. Best, Jim On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:35:56 EDT writes: All: "I don't know what I can add after Jim's eloquent dialogue. I guess I am a little confused." To put it mildly. :-) "I still enjoy thinking about the Puthoff and Haisch paper concerning that the inertia on a charged particle is a Lorentz force acting against the ZPE. I remember going through most of the equations and almost got to the last one when my pen ran out of ink." How convenient! :-) "Are we now suggesting that the above proof is wrong?" Nobel Laureate Shelly Glashow says it's "not even wrong". "Did I get on the wrong train?" Yes! Quite a while ago! The train derailed. :-) Ufoguy... In a message dated 8/21/2005 4:09:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: "Folks, As many of you know, I've been preoccupied with other matters of late. So I've only recently caught up with this discussion -- which seems to be coming to a congenial ending. But before it comes to a full stop, let me add a few things so that you all can understand better exactly where Eric, Hal, and ZPFers and I disagree. First of all, something that's been missing in the present discussion is a fundamental point about ZPFs and radiation reaction that was pointed out by Peter Milonni more than 30 years ago -- and repeatedly over those decades: the fluctuation-dissipation theorem can be used to show, for the virtual photons of QED at least, that the ZPF and radiation reaction (including Wheeler-Feynman) are just different interpretations of the same set of observable facts." Correct. "So you can believe either one. But you CANNOT assert that one or the other is the true state of nature on the basis of the facts that demonstrate the validity of QED (the Lamb shift and the like)." Correct. "Milonni, by the way, wasn't the only one to show this. A couple of Russians, Hal tells me, did much the same demonstration at about the same time. Now I should mention that there are a couple of limitations on Milonni's argument. First, it doesn't necessarily apply to the virtual electron-positron pairs assumed to populate the vacuum in QED (needed for charge renormalization). And second, clearly it doesn't apply to the quanta of the gravitational field -- because that field has not yet been (and may never be) successfully quantized. Nonetheless, were it ever to be quantized, since the gravitational field is a long-range field, its quanta would be zero rest-mass particles, like photons, and it seems reasonable to assume that an argument like Milonni's might work." In my theory of emergent ODLRO gravity you do not re-quantize gravity. This explains why naive quantum gravity is not renormalizable. I derive "classical" c-number Einstein 1915 GR is ONE LINE B = (hG/c^3)d[arg(phi)] where e = 1 + B is the Einstein-Cartan tetrad 1-form d is the exterior derivative of the 0-form argphi = Goldstone phase This is a topologically multiply-connected T4 - Diff(4) local gauge transformation in the sense of Hagen Kleinert's theory and the Michael Berry phase theory seen, for example, in the Abrikosov quantized magnetic flux vortex lattice in Type II superconductors and in the quantized steps of the quantum Hall effect with anyons in thin films. The inertia-creating vacuum coherent ODLRO macro-quantum "More is different" "local order parameter" condensate Higgs-Goldstone potential V(phi) for spontaneous broken symmetry (SBS) is shown in http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_27_jpg.htm Formally Einstein's GR is simply g ~ (1 + B)n(1 + B) n = flat metric g = curved metric The Shipov torsion 2-form S is S = De D = d + W/\ S = dB + W/\B in 1915 GR S = 0 This determines the SPIN CONNECTION 1-form W completely in terms of B. The Riemann geodesic deviation tidal curvature 2-form is R = DW = dW + W/\W When the torsion field S is not zero we must use e' = e + S We still use the old definition of the metric g = ene i.e. EEP (Einstein Equivalence Principle) DO NOT USE here g = e'ne' (teleparallel ansatz) But the Bianchi identity RELATIVE TO original 1915 GR e is violated by the SB & S^2 terms. A generalized Bianchi identity relative to e' will of course be obeyed. This implies that Einstein's cosmological constant /\ is now a locally variable scalar field. The new exotic virtual dark energy/matter vacuum field equation needed for practical metric engineering of weightless warp drive (globally superluminal with time travel to past) and star gate wormhole is Guv + /\guv = 0 where Guv^;v = - /\^,vguv =/= 0 This only happens when the torsion field S =/= 0 that I did not emphasize sufficiently previously. The key Josephson weak link "local heterodyne oscillator" phase modulator metric engineering equation is /\ ~ (c^3/hG)(Control Condensate Surface Density)^1/2cos(Vacuum Phase - Control Phase) ; is the 1915 GR partial covariant derivative relative to only the e tetrad not the e' tetrad. Woodward continues: "That is, a gravitational ZPF and radiation reaction equivalence would also obtain. In this sense Eric, Hal, and I are in agreement I think. There are a few subtle issues here worth mentioning. In the ZPF picture, no source for the ZPF is required. After all, all we're talking about is random fluctuations about the vacuum state." From nothing comes nothing. What is wrong with Haisch's whole picture is that there is no coherence damping down the random ZPF "dark energy". "The Question is: What is The Question?" J.A. Wheeler Haisch, Puthoff et-al are not asking the right "Question" of Dame Nature. "This has a counterpart in the radiation reaction picture, because it can be done in the "deformable electron" version without invoking anything other than local effects. But it can also be done in the Wheeler-Feynman version where the absorber plays a crucial role. If the Wheeler-Feynman version is in fact correct, however, then the local ZPF must actually have its source in the absorber." Space is flat on the large scale. The facts show k = 0 like in the steady state theory which is consistent with chaotic inflation. This seems to be a perfect future absorber consistent the retarded Arrow of Time (p. 49 Cosmology & AAD Electrodynamics, Hoyle & Narlikar). BTW I told this to Haisch several times in person 1999-2000, but he did not understand it. I mean he did not know about Wheeler-Feynman future absorber - radiation reaction in past emitter ~ virtual photon ZPF at past emitter. "But the idea that local ZPFs have distant sources is an oxymoron. Local ZPFs are by definition local. In electrodynamics I know of no way to experimentally discriminate between the two radiation reaction pictures, alas. What does all this have to do with Mach's principle? Well, Mach's principle selects the Wheeler-Feynman picture of radiation reaction since it requires that the distant matter in the cosmos (the "absorber" of Wheeler-Feynman electrodynamics) participate in local gravitational and inertial effects. I suspect that Eric and Hal would not find this objectionable [but you never know in this business :-)]." There is also an error in what Woodward says here because the percentage of "matter" limits to zero in the future universe! What happens instead is infinite redshift of the past emitter retarded radiation! Look at this picture to get the point! http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_21_jpg.htm "Where we part company seriously is over the issue of whether gravity and inertia can be rendered as electromagnetic effects." This is too vague. Haisch & Puthoff say that gravity and inertia come only from virtual photons - obviously a wrong idea for more than one reason. I have shown exactly where gravity and inertia come from in B = (hG/c^3)^1/2d(argphi) But none of you Pundits understand this as yet. "In the case of the argument over the origin of inertia, I don't really think there's much of a case to be made for the virtual photon ZPF being the origin of inertia." Agreed. Shelly Glashow dismisses all this as "not even wrong." "The simple fact of the matter is that the electromagnetic field doesn't couple to electric charges in a way that can be made to mimick the universal coupling of gravity to matter; and inertia demands that universal coupling since mass, not electric charge, is the measure of inertia." Agreed. "In an attempt to sidestep this obvious flaw, Rueda and Haisch have stopped talking about the field to source coupling, and they've introduced an arbitrarily adjustable fudge function to try to gloss the issue further. These steps are not the signature of a serious physical theory (though I note that some physical theories taken seriously by professionals have these features)." Agreed. "I also note that Hal has moved on to his polarizable vacuum approach. At the quantum level it would depend on the virtual electron-positron pairs, and Milonni's argument may not cover that. I also note that this aspect of the vacuum undergirds Jack Sarfatti's ideas. But I'm not going to say any more about that." But you should. However, in this case discretion is the better part of valor. The key equation here is B = (hG/c^3)^2/2d(argphi) No gravity and inertia if h = 0 No gravity and inertia if c -- infinity Even when G =/= 0. No gravity and inertia when the macro-quantum coherent World Hologram Goldstone phase argphi randomizes back to the globally flat conformal false vacuum pre-inflation where the Dirac mass gaps 2mc^2 - 0. "Anyway, back to the main point: Can gravity and inertia be reduced to manifestations of electromagnetism? I don't think so. At least not in the ways that have been proposed so far." Not in any way proposed by Haisch, Puthoff et-al. "Notwithstanding that electromagnetism is a long-range interaction, it is fundamentally a local phenomenon. That is, it doesn't depend on the existence of the rest of the stuff in the universe (except in the Wheeler-Feynman picture of radiation reaction). Gravity and inertia, on the other hand, very obviously do depend on the distant stuff in the universe." "Stuff" is mostly virtual off-mass-shell. Today virtual stuff is 95% of all stuff. Only 5% is real on-mass-shell stuff. http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_12_jpg.htm http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_21_jpg.htm Cold dark matter (CDM) is w = -1 virtual stuff in a compact source with positive pressure. It mimics w = 0. Dark energy (DE) is w = -1 virtual stuff spread out everywhere-when with negative pressure. http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_05_jpg.htm "Local inertial frames of reference are determined thereby. For example, local inertial frames are non-rotating with respect to the universe. And in GRT with reasonable boundary conditions, local inertial frames are fixed by distant matter and inertial reaction forces are gravitational in origin." Show the math with k = 0 how this works exactly. We now know k = 0 to about 2% precision. "That's Einstein's version of Mach's principle. Does going to PV or an e-p BEC vacuum (a la Sarfatti) allow you to make gravity and inertia electromagnetic?" Don't put words into my mouth. I make no such claim. My claim is B = (hG/c^3)^1/2d(argphi) I don't see no e in my equation. My B comes from locally gauging T4 to Diff(4) + spontaneously breaking a U(1) vacuum symmetry. I use U(1) only for pedagogical convenience. In fact it's probably SU(2)hypercharge that allows for the Pioneer anomaly as a hedgehog topological defect in phi centered at all stars (seeds of formation). a_g = -cH(t) H(t) = a(t)^-1da(t)/dt Using SU(2) is consistent with the Higgs-Yukawa mechanism for the emergence of inertia of the lepto-quarks before the quarks get confined to make hadrons. http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...s2/default.htm "I don't think so. At any rate Hal hasn't showed how PV would produce electromagnetic inertial reaction forces." Agreed. PV is a dead horse. That USG may fund it is the only issue. "And Sarfatti's relying on Higgs bosons to do the inertia trick. I share Eric's skepticism on that point." Well that puts Woodward way beyond the fringe of mainstream particle physics into the crank camp. Does Woodward think Weinberg, Glashow & Wilczek should give back their Nobel Prizes? "Does this mean that there's no relationship between gravity and inertia and electromagnetism?" Woodward's question is not posed well. The relationship is between gravity and inertia and the gauge forces. The vacuum order parameter must be charge-neutral for all fields. It looks like SU(2)hypercharge is the correct group to be spontaneously broken. Then my theory of emergent gravity is consistent with the standard model of particle physics and with the NASA Pioneer anomaly. "Quite the contrary. Mach's principle in its strong form -- the gravitational induction of mass per se," Show us the math for that. My math is ONE LINE B = (hG/c^3)^1/2d(argphi) That's all I need to get The Whole Enchilada! One day B = (hG/c^3)^1/2d(argphi) will be a cultural icon like E = Mc^2 Mark my words. "required in the derivation of the Mach effects that at least some of us hope to be the solution of the propulsion challenges" Nonsense all you need for that metric engineering of warp and wormhole is Guv^;v = - /\^,vguv =/= 0 This only happens when the torsion field S =/= 0 that I did not emphasize sufficiently previously. The key Josephson weak link "local heterodyne oscillator" phase modulator metric engineering equation is /\ ~ (c^3/hG)(Control Condensate Surface Density)^1/2cos(Vacuum Phase - Control Phase) "-- yields that GM/R = c^2" What good does that do you? It's a very weak "Sciama" result. What is M? The mass of the universe? What you are really saying is Omega = 1. That's inflation with k = 0. "so that the total gravitational energy of an object turns out to be equal to mc^2." Talk about fantasy, hand-waving, fudge and shell-game as well as Glass Houses, motes in eyes and all that. Hey not so fast! Show us how that works again - much more slowly and in much more detail. Woodward's argument here is in fact "And then a Miracle happens." "There is a profound connection." Where? I missed it. Show us again please. I have searched high and low and there is not a profound connection anywhere to be found in what Woodward just wrote. "But one that has not yet been captured in any of the theories that have been proposed. It's 1 AM. That's enough. :-)" Actually it's not enough at all. On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:53:54 -0500 "Dr. Eric Davis" writes: "All I can add to this is that Jim collegially disagrees with me and Hal on the existence of the vacuum ZPF and its hypothetical connection to inertia. Jim wrote a counterargument on this in one of his papers. And we were unable to theoretically verify Jim's theory to our own satisfaction, so we disagree with him (collegially). We have two different approaches to describing inertia. BUT....we are firm believers in doing lab experiments, and support Jim continuing on with his work because we believe that the final arbitrator of all theory is what comes out of experimentation (you know, the scientific method in action). And I believe that Jim feels the same way about our work on exploring the ZPF." I agree with James Woodward's assessment that the ZPF & PV theories of Haisch and Puthoff are not correct. Eric Davis mentions "experiments". What experiments? If he means high-power laser experiments I would black ball those for USG funding. I am not aware of any other experiments currently being done at IAS Austin. Some of them may be OK. I do not think Woodward as any good theoretical alternative however. He also has an experiment that I predict will not come to anything. However, it's fine that he does it. "[The only theories, experiments, or claims (based on those) that I personally put down all the time are the ones promoted by people who behave mysteriously, who make up bizarre excuses to cover their strange actions, who are shady, who go to the media to promote their work before it is peer-reivewed or independently verified, who are uncooperative, etc. Podkletnov, De Aquino, David Hudson, et al. all fall into this group." I agree with Eric Davis in the above paragraph. "Podkletnov and Ning Li have an unfortunate penchant for being on the borderline even though they did legitimate work at one time." I take Eric's word on this. "It has been known in the history of science that people in rival camps are collegial, and do collaborate with each other; and this is how the correct theory is able to make its way above the fray and become recognized and accepted by all." What about Newton, Leibnitz & Hooke? What about Watson & Crick vs Pauling? Other cases as well. Also this is more than physics. This is Covert Intelligence as well. "Inertia is a tricky subject. It was founded on the basis of Mach's philosophy of science, and it found some quantitative formalism within Einstein's GTR. There is a deep level to inertia we have not reached, and that is where the answer lies. It might turn out that Jim's theory via Sciama and Wheeler-Feynman and our theory via the stochastic electrodynamic model for ZPF are merely two sides of the same coin like the wave-particle duality of quantum mechanical objects - just as you said in your message below - two sides of the same coin." "I think the Higgs boson explanation for mass is a joke." This statement by Eric Davis is "cranky" in the eyes of every mainstream particle physicist at SLAC, at Fermilab, at CERN et-al "Still haven't found Higgs after 20 years, so I don't think it exists. The LHC is coming on line in short time, so I think this will be the definitive end of the line for a Higgs boson search. If it isn't found in the LHC, then quantum field theorists will be forced to confront other models for inertia and mass that have nothing to do with the Standard Model formulation." What Eric just wrote is a Red Herring. He does not understand the Higgs mechanism origin of inertia at all! It does not depend at all on the finding of a real Higgs particle on-mass-shell. The Higgs-Goldstone origin of inertia is strictly a virtual quantum effect inside the coherent vacuum with order parameter phi. See for example the recent SLAC Summer School Lectures http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...s1/default.htm http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...s2/default.htm especially http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ss...age_10_jpg.htm For the Yukawa coupling formulae for the inertia of the quarks and leptons. This only depends on the charge neutral component magnitude of the order parameter |phi| = v. Eric simply is speaking off the top of his head. The mass of the Higgs is in the small vibrations around v! It has nothing to do direction with the equilibrium value v about which the small vibrations occur. "Also, I'm not sure if Jim has related this to you guys or not, but the Standard Model violates the equivalence principle at high energy. That means a breakdown in quantum field theory occurs at high energy because it is missing fundamental components." Another Red Herring. I have shown how gravity emerges from dargv to use the notation in http://www conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2005/lec_notes/Dienes1/Dienes1_Page_10_jpg.htm The standard model is semi-phenomenological at best. Eric is taking it beyond its domain of validity in a Red Herring argument. There is no gravity in the standard model inside it's proper scale region. It is in FLAT space-time. The rest masses m are lumped parameters. The standard model is the short-scale substratum out of which large-scale gravity emerges via B = Lp*dargv. "What unifies the two sides of the coin is not yet known to us. There could be something fundamental that we have been overlooking all along." That's the only correct non-trite statement Eric Davis has made here. What he has overlooked is B = Lpdargv "Experimentation might show the way. Regards, Eric" Yeah and also I will win the lottery tomorrow. |
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