On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:42:44 -0400, "Mich" wrote:


I would guess the implanting of subliminal advertising frames within a
movie has something to do with this. Was it tested on both children and
grown ups?

[Hammond]
Terms such as "subliminal mind", "unconscious mind", "subconscious
mind" etc. are all simply psychology jargon for Hammond's "ungrown
brain" which refers to the part of the brain that is only partially
grown because of the Secular Trend in human growth. The religious
people of course refer to it as "GOD".
SO, if you were 100% grown (which no one is) you would be able
to recognize a picture (single frame of a movie) in about 1/19 of a
second, but because the average person is about 20% short of
full growth, the average time is actually 1/15 of a second... which
is why the STANDARD frame speed of movies (Silent Films 1890-
1920) was officially 16 frames/sec.
SO YES, there certainly IS such a thing as "subliminal advertising",
all you have to do is flash a single frame at less than 1/16 of a sec,
but more than 1/19 of a second, and bingo... it lands right in the
range of the subconscious mind but out of reach of the conscious
mind.
As you will quickly find out if you type "subliminal advertising"
into a Google search.... YES, subliminal advertising (when done
by those who know what they're doing) does work, and in fact is
quite widely used today despite government bans against it.
The scary thing is.... since children have a much larger "ungrown
brain"... and hence a vastly larger "subconscious mind" than adults
do........ subliminal advertising must be many, many times more
effective on children than it is on adults. Probably only because
children don't have any money to spend is the reason advertisers
have missed this potentially vast subliminal market! Then again..
who knows... maybe they've already discovered it which is why
all those kids are pestering their parents for Harry Potter books
or Kill A Cop video games.... maybe that's something the PTA
ought to be looking into!


Also, could the
eye also be responsible for this effect. After a flash of light, we continue
to see the flash for awhile. I would guess that this could be interpreted as
a form of memory. Is it different for a child than it is for a grown up?

[Hammond]
Na.... that's within the reach of the conscious mind.... the
subliminal advertisers are going right for the scrotum... they
flash their messages (pictures) so that the subconscious can
see it but the conscious can't see it. Problem is the fools don't
recogniZe that you can't use written messages... because it
takes time to "read"... and that "reading comprehension time"
is far greater than the "picture perception time"... which is why
a message saying "eat popcorn" which can't be seen by the
conscious mind SURELY is too long to be read by the unconsciousw
mind.... however... flashing a picture of a bag of popcorn WILL
work!



======original target post=============


[Hammond]
Na... the legendary "flicker" (which is why movies are called
"flicks") does not come from the bulbs.

It is known that 15-16 frames/sec is the "Picture Fusion Frequency"
of the average adult (IQ=100). This is why 16 frames/sec was
the STANDARD in silent Films.

However, movie makers (as early as 1880's) discovered that this
caised an annoying 16 Hz "flicker"... even though the movies
themselves were not jittering or anything. They quicly realized
that there are TWO major biological effects in movies:

1. The Picture Fusion Frequency (PFF) which is about 15 frames/sec
and is based on the perceptual speed of the BRAIN.

2. The Flicker Fusion Frequency (FFF) which is 50-60 Hz and is
a biological charactistic of the EYE.

What they discovered is that by "double shuttering" the movie
(i.e. showing each frame twice, but still maintaining 16 fps),
they could DOUBLE the Flicker Frequency without changing the
Frame Rate.

When "talkies" came out, they had to bump the frame/rate up to 24
frames/sec to keep the sound track from warbling, and using
double shuttering that then raised the Flicker Rate to 48 Hz where it
remains to this day.

The REASON (in hindsight) that Silent Film makers discovered that
the minimum rame rate had to be 16 frames/sec, is because (as
modern Science has discovered) the human brain only operates at
a "mental speed" of 15 bits/second of information processing
speed. (see: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html ).
It turns out that the perceptual desicison answer to the question:
"Is the picture I'm seeing the same as the last one or different"...
requires one-bit of information processing (Yes-No), and that is
WHY the Picture Fusion Frequency of the average adult is in
fact 15 frames/sec which is the figure on which the ENTIRE
MOVIE INDUSTRY is founded, and was discovered apparently
by Thomas Edison himself.. or possibly earlier!

Interestingly, the PFF is VERY SENSITIVE to Intelligence. In fact
it has been shown (Riedel 1966) that the PFF of a 7 year old is
only 10 frames/sec, but that for a 15 year old it is 15 frames/sec..
a wopping 33% increase. This of course is because a 15 year old is
33% more intelligent that a 7 year old, just due to brain growth!

Amaxingly therefore, we now see that the MOVIE INDUSTRY has
discovered the world's first scientific proof of God... since it is
known (the Secular Trend) that average adult is only about 80%
fully grown... this means that about 20% of the ordinary motion
of the world is INVISIBLE to us... just like 33% of the world is
INVISIBLE to a 7 year old as compared to an adult.

This INVISIBLE WORLD is called "HEAVEN" in the Bible... and in
fact this INVISIBLE WORLD is the "Supernatural World" of ordinary
Religion.

Thus MOVIE FILM TECHNOLOGY has provided us with the world's
first actual SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!

It's been sitting there right under our noses for 100 years... and
HAMMOND is the first one to notice it!

THOMAS EDISON was the first one to produce an experimental
proof of God.........How's that grab you?


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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:42:44 -0400, "Mich" wrote:


I would guess the implanting of subliminal advertising frames within a
movie has something to do with this. Was it tested on both children and
grown ups?

[Hammond]
Terms such as "subliminal mind", "unconscious mind", "subconscious
mind" etc. are all simply psychology jargon for Hammond's "ungrown
brain" which refers to the part of the brain that is only partially
grown because of the Secular Trend in human growth. The religious
people of course refer to it as "GOD".
SO, if you were 100% grown (which no one is) you would be able
to recognize a picture (single frame of a movie) in about 1/19 of a
second, but because the average person is about 20% short of
full growth, the average time is actually 1/15 of a second... which
is why the STANDARD frame speed of movies (Silent Films 1890-
1920) was officially 16 frames/sec.
SO YES, there certainly IS such a thing as "subliminal advertising",
all you have to do is flash a single frame at less than 1/16 of a sec,
but more than 1/19 of a second, and bingo... it lands right in the
range of the subconscious mind but out of reach of the conscious
mind.
As you will quickly find out if you type "subliminal advertising"
into a Google search.... YES, subliminal advertising (when done
by those who know what they're doing) does work, and in fact is
quite widely used today despite government bans against it.
The scary thing is.... since children have a much larger "ungrown
brain"... and hence a vastly larger "subconscious mind" than adults
do........ subliminal advertising must be many, many times more
effective on children than it is on adults. Probably only because
children don't have any money to spend is the reason advertisers
have missed this potentially vast subliminal market! Then again..
who knows... maybe they've already discovered it which is why
all those kids are pestering their parents for Harry Potter books
or Kill A Cop video games.... maybe that's something the PTA
ought to be looking into!


Also, could the
eye also be responsible for this effect. After a flash of light, we continue
to see the flash for awhile. I would guess that this could be interpreted as
a form of memory. Is it different for a child than it is for a grown up?

[Hammond]
Na.... that's within the reach of the conscious mind.... the
subliminal advertisers are going right for the scrotum... they
flash their messages (pictures) so that the subconscious can
see it but the conscious can't see it. Problem is the fools don't
recogniZe that you can't use written messages... because it
takes time to "read"... and that "reading comprehension time"
is far greater than the "picture perception time"... which is why
a message saying "eat popcorn" which can't be seen by the
conscious mind SURELY is too long to be read by the unconsciousw
mind.... however... flashing a picture of a bag of popcorn WILL
work!



======original target post=============


[Hammond]
Na... the legendary "flicker" (which is why movies are called
"flicks") does not come from the bulbs.

It is known that 15-16 frames/sec is the "Picture Fusion Frequency"
of the average adult (IQ=100). This is why 16 frames/sec was
the STANDARD in silent Films.

However, movie makers (as early as 1880's) discovered that this
caised an annoying 16 Hz "flicker"... even though the movies
themselves were not jittering or anything. They quicly realized
that there are TWO major biological effects in movies:

1. The Picture Fusion Frequency (PFF) which is about 15 frames/sec
and is based on the perceptual speed of the BRAIN.

2. The Flicker Fusion Frequency (FFF) which is 50-60 Hz and is
a biological charactistic of the EYE.

What they discovered is that by "double shuttering" the movie
(i.e. showing each frame twice, but still maintaining 16 fps),
they could DOUBLE the Flicker Frequency without changing the
Frame Rate.

When "talkies" came out, they had to bump the frame/rate up to 24
frames/sec to keep the sound track from warbling, and using
double shuttering that then raised the Flicker Rate to 48 Hz where it
remains to this day.

The REASON (in hindsight) that Silent Film makers discovered that
the minimum rame rate had to be 16 frames/sec, is because (as
modern Science has discovered) the human brain only operates at
a "mental speed" of 15 bits/second of information processing
speed. (see: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html ).
It turns out that the perceptual desicison answer to the question:
"Is the picture I'm seeing the same as the last one or different"...
requires one-bit of information processing (Yes-No), and that is
WHY the Picture Fusion Frequency of the average adult is in
fact 15 frames/sec which is the figure on which the ENTIRE
MOVIE INDUSTRY is founded, and was discovered apparently
by Thomas Edison himself.. or possibly earlier!

Interestingly, the PFF is VERY SENSITIVE to Intelligence. In fact
it has been shown (Riedel 1966) that the PFF of a 7 year old is
only 10 frames/sec, but that for a 15 year old it is 15 frames/sec..
a wopping 33% increase. This of course is because a 15 year old is
33% more intelligent that a 7 year old, just due to brain growth!

Amaxingly therefore, we now see that the MOVIE INDUSTRY has
discovered the world's first scientific proof of God... since it is
known (the Secular Trend) that average adult is only about 80%
fully grown... this means that about 20% of the ordinary motion
of the world is INVISIBLE to us... just like 33% of the world is
INVISIBLE to a 7 year old as compared to an adult.

This INVISIBLE WORLD is called "HEAVEN" in the Bible... and in
fact this INVISIBLE WORLD is the "Supernatural World" of ordinary
Religion.

Thus MOVIE FILM TECHNOLOGY has provided us with the world's
first actual SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!

It's been sitting there right under our noses for 100 years... and
HAMMOND is the first one to notice it!

THOMAS EDISON was the first one to produce an experimental
proof of God.........How's that grab you?


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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:42:44 -0400, "Mich" wrote:


I would guess the implanting of subliminal advertising frames within a
movie has something to do with this. Was it tested on both children and
grown ups?

[Hammond]
Terms such as "subliminal mind", "unconscious mind", "subconscious
mind" etc. are all simply psychology jargon for Hammond's "ungrown
brain" which refers to the part of the brain that is only partially
grown because of the Secular Trend in human growth. The religious
people of course refer to it as "GOD".
SO, if you were 100% grown (which no one is) you would be able
to recognize a picture (single frame of a movie) in about 1/19 of a
second, but because the average person is about 20% short of
full growth, the average time is actually 1/15 of a second... which
is why the STANDARD frame speed of movies (Silent Films 1890-
1920) was officially 16 frames/sec.
SO YES, there certainly IS such a thing as "subliminal advertising",
all you have to do is flash a single frame at less than 1/16 of a sec,
but more than 1/19 of a second, and bingo... it lands right in the
range of the subconscious mind but out of reach of the conscious
mind.
As you will quickly find out if you type "subliminal advertising"
into a Google search.... YES, subliminal advertising (when done
by those who know what they're doing) does work, and in fact is
quite widely used today despite government bans against it.
The scary thing is.... since children have a much larger "ungrown
brain"... and hence a vastly larger "subconscious mind" than adults
do........ subliminal advertising must be many, many times more
effective on children than it is on adults. Probably only because
children don't have any money to spend is the reason advertisers
have missed this potentially vast subliminal market! Then again..
who knows... maybe they've already discovered it which is why
all those kids are pestering their parents for Harry Potter books
or Kill A Cop video games.... maybe that's something the PTA
ought to be looking into!


Also, could the
eye also be responsible for this effect. After a flash of light, we continue
to see the flash for awhile. I would guess that this could be interpreted as
a form of memory. Is it different for a child than it is for a grown up?

[Hammond]
Na.... that's within the reach of the conscious mind.... the
subliminal advertisers are going right for the scrotum... they
flash their messages (pictures) so that the subconscious can
see it but the conscious can't see it. Problem is the fools don't
recogniZe that you can't use written messages... because it
takes time to "read"... and that "reading comprehension time"
is far greater than the "picture perception time"... which is why
a message saying "eat popcorn" which can't be seen by the
conscious mind SURELY is too long to be read by the unconsciousw
mind.... however... flashing a picture of a bag of popcorn WILL
work!



======original target post=============


[Hammond]
Na... the legendary "flicker" (which is why movies are called
"flicks") does not come from the bulbs.

It is known that 15-16 frames/sec is the "Picture Fusion Frequency"
of the average adult (IQ=100). This is why 16 frames/sec was
the STANDARD in silent Films.

However, movie makers (as early as 1880's) discovered that this
caised an annoying 16 Hz "flicker"... even though the movies
themselves were not jittering or anything. They quicly realized
that there are TWO major biological effects in movies:

1. The Picture Fusion Frequency (PFF) which is about 15 frames/sec
and is based on the perceptual speed of the BRAIN.

2. The Flicker Fusion Frequency (FFF) which is 50-60 Hz and is
a biological charactistic of the EYE.

What they discovered is that by "double shuttering" the movie
(i.e. showing each frame twice, but still maintaining 16 fps),
they could DOUBLE the Flicker Frequency without changing the
Frame Rate.

When "talkies" came out, they had to bump the frame/rate up to 24
frames/sec to keep the sound track from warbling, and using
double shuttering that then raised the Flicker Rate to 48 Hz where it
remains to this day.

The REASON (in hindsight) that Silent Film makers discovered that
the minimum rame rate had to be 16 frames/sec, is because (as
modern Science has discovered) the human brain only operates at
a "mental speed" of 15 bits/second of information processing
speed. (see: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html ).
It turns out that the perceptual desicison answer to the question:
"Is the picture I'm seeing the same as the last one or different"...
requires one-bit of information processing (Yes-No), and that is
WHY the Picture Fusion Frequency of the average adult is in
fact 15 frames/sec which is the figure on which the ENTIRE
MOVIE INDUSTRY is founded, and was discovered apparently
by Thomas Edison himself.. or possibly earlier!

Interestingly, the PFF is VERY SENSITIVE to Intelligence. In fact
it has been shown (Riedel 1966) that the PFF of a 7 year old is
only 10 frames/sec, but that for a 15 year old it is 15 frames/sec..
a wopping 33% increase. This of course is because a 15 year old is
33% more intelligent that a 7 year old, just due to brain growth!

Amaxingly therefore, we now see that the MOVIE INDUSTRY has
discovered the world's first scientific proof of God... since it is
known (the Secular Trend) that average adult is only about 80%
fully grown... this means that about 20% of the ordinary motion
of the world is INVISIBLE to us... just like 33% of the world is
INVISIBLE to a 7 year old as compared to an adult.

This INVISIBLE WORLD is called "HEAVEN" in the Bible... and in
fact this INVISIBLE WORLD is the "Supernatural World" of ordinary
Religion.

Thus MOVIE FILM TECHNOLOGY has provided us with the world's
first actual SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!

It's been sitting there right under our noses for 100 years... and
HAMMOND is the first one to notice it!

THOMAS EDISON was the first one to produce an experimental
proof of God.........How's that grab you?


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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:42:44 -0400, "Mich" wrote:


I would guess the implanting of subliminal advertising frames within a
movie has something to do with this. Was it tested on both children and
grown ups?

[Hammond]
Terms such as "subliminal mind", "unconscious mind", "subconscious
mind" etc. are all simply psychology jargon for Hammond's "ungrown
brain" which refers to the part of the brain that is only partially
grown because of the Secular Trend in human growth. The religious
people of course refer to it as "GOD".

Same old shovel ........... same old ****!

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:14:59 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
wrote:



[Hammond]
There is only one thing to be "aware" of and that is God... namely
the fact that no one is fully grown, and therefore no one is actually
in true reality. The person who is AWARE of that, is said to be an
"aware" person. Humility by the way, is the first sign of such an
awareness.

In the sense that God =All there is, there is always another step to take on
the eternal journey.

BrianOfLife

[Hammond]
Not "always".... the quest for God WILL officially end when the
Secular Trend curve reaches 100% growth (this is known as
'kingdom come' in the Lord's Prayer, and also as the "end of the
world" in some apocolyptic circles).

Of course, from the looks of the data, the Secular Trend curve will
not plateau any time soon... not for thousands of years probably.

So I'd say theoretically you are wrong, but FAPP (for all pracital
purposes) you are right... wrong theoretically, because theoretically
one CAN "have it all"..... and right, because practically speaking
we are never going to live to see it...... but then again of course,
there is still the question of "life after death" which hasn't been
answered yet....?


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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:42:44 -0400, "Mich" wrote:


I would guess the implanting of subliminal advertising frames within a
movie has something to do with this. Was it tested on both children and
grown ups?

[Hammond]
Terms such as "subliminal mind", "unconscious mind", "subconscious
mind" etc. are all simply psychology jargon for Hammond's "ungrown
brain"

which we can frequently observe, though I think "undeveloped" or "ingrown"
would be better than "ungrown".

sr

which refers to the part of the brain that is only partially
grown because of the Secular Trend in human growth. The religious
people of course refer to it as "GOD".
SO, if you were 100% grown (which no one is) you would be able
to recognize a picture (single frame of a movie) in about 1/19 of a
second, but because the average person is about 20% short of
full growth, the average time is actually 1/15 of a second... which
is why the STANDARD frame speed of movies (Silent Films 1890-
1920) was officially 16 frames/sec.
SO YES, there certainly IS such a thing as "subliminal advertising",
all you have to do is flash a single frame at less than 1/16 of a sec,
but more than 1/19 of a second, and bingo... it lands right in the
range of the subconscious mind but out of reach of the conscious
mind.
As you will quickly find out if you type "subliminal advertising"
into a Google search.... YES, subliminal advertising (when done
by those who know what they're doing) does work, and in fact is
quite widely used today despite government bans against it.
The scary thing is.... since children have a much larger "ungrown
brain"... and hence a vastly larger "subconscious mind" than adults
do........ subliminal advertising must be many, many times more
effective on children than it is on adults. Probably only because
children don't have any money to spend is the reason advertisers
have missed this potentially vast subliminal market! Then again..
who knows... maybe they've already discovered it which is why
all those kids are pestering their parents for Harry Potter books
or Kill A Cop video games.... maybe that's something the PTA
ought to be looking into!


Also, could the
eye also be responsible for this effect. After a flash of light, we
continue
to see the flash for awhile. I would guess that this could be interpreted
as
a form of memory. Is it different for a child than it is for a grown up?

[Hammond]
Na.... that's within the reach of the conscious mind.... the
subliminal advertisers are going right for the scrotum... they
flash their messages (pictures) so that the subconscious can
see it but the conscious can't see it. Problem is the fools don't
recogniZe that you can't use written messages... because it
takes time to "read"... and that "reading comprehension time"
is far greater than the "picture perception time"... which is why
a message saying "eat popcorn" which can't be seen by the
conscious mind SURELY is too long to be read by the unconsciousw
mind.... however... flashing a picture of a bag of popcorn WILL
work!



======original target post=============


[Hammond]
Na... the legendary "flicker" (which is why movies are called
"flicks") does not come from the bulbs.

It is known that 15-16 frames/sec is the "Picture Fusion Frequency"
of the average adult (IQ=100). This is why 16 frames/sec was
the STANDARD in silent Films.

However, movie makers (as early as 1880's) discovered that this
caised an annoying 16 Hz "flicker"... even though the movies
themselves were not jittering or anything. They quicly realized
that there are TWO major biological effects in movies:

1. The Picture Fusion Frequency (PFF) which is about 15 frames/sec
and is based on the perceptual speed of the BRAIN.

2. The Flicker Fusion Frequency (FFF) which is 50-60 Hz and is
a biological charactistic of the EYE.

What they discovered is that by "double shuttering" the movie
(i.e. showing each frame twice, but still maintaining 16 fps),
they could DOUBLE the Flicker Frequency without changing the
Frame Rate.

When "talkies" came out, they had to bump the frame/rate up to 24
frames/sec to keep the sound track from warbling, and using
double shuttering that then raised the Flicker Rate to 48 Hz where it
remains to this day.

The REASON (in hindsight) that Silent Film makers discovered that
the minimum rame rate had to be 16 frames/sec, is because (as
modern Science has discovered) the human brain only operates at
a "mental speed" of 15 bits/second of information processing
speed. (see: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html ).
It turns out that the perceptual desicison answer to the question:
"Is the picture I'm seeing the same as the last one or different"...
requires one-bit of information processing (Yes-No), and that is
WHY the Picture Fusion Frequency of the average adult is in
fact 15 frames/sec which is the figure on which the ENTIRE
MOVIE INDUSTRY is founded, and was discovered apparently
by Thomas Edison himself.. or possibly earlier!

Interestingly, the PFF is VERY SENSITIVE to Intelligence. In fact
it has been shown (Riedel 1966) that the PFF of a 7 year old is
only 10 frames/sec, but that for a 15 year old it is 15 frames/sec..
a wopping 33% increase. This of course is because a 15 year old is
33% more intelligent that a 7 year old, just due to brain growth!

Amaxingly therefore, we now see that the MOVIE INDUSTRY has
discovered the world's first scientific proof of God... since it is
known (the Secular Trend) that average adult is only about 80%
fully grown... this means that about 20% of the ordinary motion
of the world is INVISIBLE to us... just like 33% of the world is
INVISIBLE to a 7 year old as compared to an adult.

This INVISIBLE WORLD is called "HEAVEN" in the Bible... and in
fact this INVISIBLE WORLD is the "Supernatural World" of ordinary
Religion.

Thus MOVIE FILM TECHNOLOGY has provided us with the world's
first actual SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!

It's been sitting there right under our noses for 100 years... and
HAMMOND is the first one to notice it!

THOMAS EDISON was the first one to produce an experimental
proof of God.........How's that grab you?


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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:14:59 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
wrote:



[Hammond]
There is only one thing to be "aware" of and that is God... namely
the fact that no one is fully grown, and therefore no one is actually
in true reality. The person who is AWARE of that, is said to be an
"aware" person. Humility by the way, is the first sign of such an
awareness.

In the sense that God =All there is, there is always another step to take
on
the eternal journey.

BrianOfLife

[Hammond]
Not "always".... the quest for God WILL officially end when the
Secular Trend curve reaches 100% growth (this is known as
'kingdom come' in the Lord's Prayer, and also as the "end of the
world" in some apocolyptic circles).

fL......and is a "group interpretation" of an individual's stage of the
journey.


Of course, from the looks of the data, the Secular Trend curve will
not plateau any time soon... not for thousands of years probably.

In the mean time "souls" continue to go beyond the worlds of matter energy,
time and space.


So I'd say theoretically you are wrong, but FAPP (for all pracital
purposes) you are right... wrong theoretically, because theoretically
one CAN "have it all"..... and right, because practically speaking
we are never going to live to see it...... but then again of course,
there is still the question of "life after death" which hasn't been
answered yet....?

Oh yes it has !

BrianOfLife



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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:49:44 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:14:59 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
wrote:



[Hammond]
There is only one thing to be "aware" of and that is God... namely
the fact that no one is fully grown, and therefore no one is actually
in true reality. The person who is AWARE of that, is said to be an
"aware" person. Humility by the way, is the first sign of such an
awareness.

In the sense that God =All there is, there is always another step to take
on
the eternal journey.

BrianOfLife

[Hammond]
Not "always".... the quest for God WILL officially end when the
Secular Trend curve reaches 100% growth (this is known as
'kingdom come' in the Lord's Prayer, and also as the "end of the
world" in some apocolyptic circles).


fL......and is a "group interpretation" of an individual's stage of the
journey.


[Hammond]
You seem to be unaware that the scientific explanation ("proof") of
the existence of God has been discovered, experimentally proven,
and published in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
Online copy at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

This scientific discovery proves that:

1. God is caused by the Secular Trend growth deficit of
all adults in the world pupulation. (about a 20% deficit).

2. This causes a "relativistic curvature" of subjective reality
compared to objective reality... which is called "God".

3. This is all confirmed experimentally by 100 years of
2 decimal point peer published Psychometry data.

4. this proves and explains the existence of:

a. The "suppernatural world".
b. Heaven
c. An "invisble God".. (invisible man)).
d. Eternal Life
e. Miracles



Of course, from the looks of the data, the Secular Trend curve will
not plateau any time soon... not for thousands of years probably.

In the mean time "souls" continue to go beyond the worlds of matter energy,
time and space.


So I'd say theoretically you are wrong, but FAPP (for all pracital
purposes) you are right... wrong theoretically, because theoretically
one CAN "have it all"..... and right, because practically speaking
we are never going to live to see it...... but then again of course,
there is still the question of "life after death" which hasn't been
answered yet....?


Oh yes it has !

[Hammond]
Oh no it hasn't. There is PROOF that "God exists", but there is
NO PROOF of Life After Death.... not yet anyway. Science
(particularly Hammond) is still working on that problem.




BrianOfLife


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George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
You seem to be unaware that the scientific explanation ("proof") of
the existence of God has been discovered, experimentally proven,
and published in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)

The "journal" "Noetic Press" is a sham. It doesn't even pretend to be a
scientific journal. Right up front, in BIG BOLD LETTERS, it explains
it's bias. It flat out says it's voodoo.

[Hammond] has, on several occasions, critiqued other articles published
in the "Noetic Press". He dismissed any publisher that would print such
tripe as publishing insane drivel. When it was pointed out to [Hammond]
that it was HIS only publisher, he claimed it was satire.....

He's insane. He admits he's insane. We all know he's insane.

"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:49:44 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
wrote:


"George Hammond" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:14:59 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
wrote:



[Hammond]
There is only one thing to be "aware" of and that is God... namely
the fact that no one is fully grown, and therefore no one is actually
in true reality. The person who is AWARE of that, is said to be an
"aware" person. Humility by the way, is the first sign of such an
awareness.

In the sense that God =All there is, there is always another step to
take
on
the eternal journey.

BrianOfLife

[Hammond]
Not "always".... the quest for God WILL officially end when the
Secular Trend curve reaches 100% growth (this is known as
'kingdom come' in the Lord's Prayer, and also as the "end of the
world" in some apocolyptic circles).


fL......and is a "group interpretation" of an individual's stage of the
journey.


[Hammond]
You seem to be unaware that the scientific explanation ("proof") of
the existence of God has been discovered, experimentally proven,
and published in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that your claims have been shown
to be nothing but insane garbage!