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Schoenfeld: Still fails to bull**** his way to a nobel prize,
We fill a box with a radioactive material which randomly emits radiation. The box has a shutter, which is opened and immediately thereafter shut by a clock at a precise time, thereby allowing some radiation to escape. Let's see if I understand this. You plan to use radioactive decays, which have measured decay rates in agreement with quantum mechanical calculations to try and refute quantu mechanics? Doesn't that seem a bit illogical? Wouldn't it be simpler just to find a radioactive decay that violates the uncertainty principle and save the work involved in creating a rube goldberg experiment that relies on delusional handwaving rather than hard numbers from an experiment that can be performed, in principle? So the time is already known with precision. It's always useful to begin a string of handwaving platitudes with a statement that assumes the result by virtue of not limiting yourself to a real physical process. We still want to measure the conjugate variable energy precisely. We measure the energy by weighing the box before and after. The uncertainty in the energy due to only classical thermodynamic fluctuations (no quantum mechanics involved) is, \Delta E = sqrt(kC_v) T, C_v = heat capcity at constant volume The mass if the box before and after a shutter click is given by m_f = m_i - \Delta m. The change in mass has to exceed the classical fluctuations in order to determine the mass has changed, so \Delta m sqrt(kC_v) T/c^2 The termperature of the box must be greater than the surrounding environment, or else radiation will enter the box with equal probability that it leaves the box. So take T to be some T 300 K, like 1000 K. For C_v, an order of magnitude estimate is sufficient and for a monatomic ideal gas, C_v = (3/2)nR. If n is 1 mol, then C_v = R/a_avag = k, where a_avag is the avagadro constant. sqrt(kC_v) T/c^2 = sqrt(3k^2 a_avag/2) T/c^2 The smallest energy you you can measure in any shutter click that could differentiate between a change in mass and a fluctuation from just classical considerations in 1 mol of gas is, \Delta E of about 81 GeV or a mass of about 1.5 x 10^-25 kg To violate the uncertainty principle, you therefore need shutter speeds that violate the uncertainty principle which is easy to determine: \Delta t hbar/(\Delta E) Meaning you have to make measurements of \Delta E = 81 GeV for intervals of \Delta t 10^-26 sec. So, what does that mean in terms of the power being dissipated by the box? Well, P = dE/dt, so P = 1.3 x 10^19 watts for 1 mol of nuclei in your box. That's a rather substantial rate for electromagnetic radiation and since that won't happen for a mol of gas at 1000 K, you are out of luck for E&M radiation. But you can always try alpha decay so that the 81 GeV is in the form of low energy alpha particles. 20 each 10^-26 seconds to be precise for 1 mol of pure radon gas. You can also drop the temperature back down, but that doesn't help a lot. How many radon decays occur each 10^-26 seconds, on average for 1 mol of pure radon gas? The half-life of radon is 3.8 days. When you're through doing it the hard way, see if you can figure out why this should have been obvious from the start. Unfortunately, regardless of how you do it, you'll need a detector that violates the uncertainty principle to count the alpha particles. Violating the uncertainty principle with apparatus borrowed from a universe with different physical laws doesn't count, unless you can demonstrate that you borrowed such equipment and it works in this universe. |
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