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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c. Relative to what?
Could some kind of super computer be involved.

When I say spacetime is travelling at c. Spacetime
meaning the 4 dimensions of 3 space + time and it is
the object's speed in this generalized sense that
is equal to that of light.

When an object is stationary. All the object's
motion is used to travel through one dimension -
time. When an object moves in 3d space, some of
the movement through time must be diverted to that
of movement in space. This is why time always slow
down in any moving object, especially apparent
at relativistic speed.

Why is there a fixed amount of speed in the 4
dimensions that can't be exceeded. If you move
faster, your time gets slower.. only when you
are stationary that time movement is fastest or
normal. Why is this? Why didn't the universe use
an Aether fixed frame.

Could the reason we couldn't detect an aether is
because our space/time is kinda like a simulation
where the programmers hid the any sign of aether
because they don't want the AI that is us to figure out
the position in space and realize there is
something odd. So what the computer did is to
make a loop, such that our spacetime looked like
it's travelling at c (in a circle) at a constant
speed?

This means the computer programming our space/time
may exist in higher dimensions.. since that's the
only way they can program the specific characteristic
of the 4 dimensions of 3D space and time.

What if the UFO phenomena is a sign that things are
not what they seem. Years ago. I investigated many
abductees. A couple has encountered the Nordics who
can stop time. They can make time stood still and
only program time to flow normally in the abductee
such that she can see the world stopping and the
Nordics walking in the midst of it.

Also whenever a UFO enters this dimension. Time stood
still too. Trees stopped moving, there is no more
wind, etc. Could the UFOs be some kind of gatekeepers
using portals to enter this 4D simulation like in the
movie Matrix where telephone booths (serving as
portals) is used to enter and exit the Matrix??

There are many heavy UFO activities in the world. Could
this be signs things are not what they seem. I stopped
UFO investigations because I found it stranger and
stranger so to keep sane I just assume all are
hallucinations.. in other words, I just stuck my head
in the sand ignoring all of them.

What I said may seem very strange. But so is relativity
where time, length, velocity, etc. are something not
fixed but malleable.. like some kind of programming.

p6

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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c. Relative to what?
Could some kind of super computer be involved.

Idiot.

Could the reason we couldn't detect an aether is
because our space/time is kinda like a simulation
where the programmers hid the any sign of aether
because they don't want the AI that is us to figure out
the position in space and realize there is
something odd.
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Could the reason we couldn't detect an aether is
because our space/time is kinda like a simulation
where the programmers hid the any sign of aether
because they don't want the AI that is us to figure out
the position in space and realize there is
something odd. So what the computer did is to
make a loop, such that our spacetime looked like
it's travelling at c (in a circle) at a constant
speed?

Gosh, you can't detect it. It's completely invisible. It has no
detectable affect on space or time.

GASP! Maybe there just ain't no aether!

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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c.

Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.

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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c.

Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.

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Bill

It's not my reasoning. The idea came from Brian Greene
in his "The Elegant Universe". One time I thought time
can slow down because matter is passing thru a very
dense aether where everything slows down.. but then
in the principle of relativity... each party can see
the other party slowing down.. so it's not just a
regional phenomena. Time is likely part of some energy
continuum where in the case of matter. Quantized
space/time function may be in effect such that matter can
only travel at c much like in Ultraviolet Catastrophe
where there is a limit to the energy produced.


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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c.

Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.

Rest snipped

Bill

It's not my reasoning. The idea came from Brian Greene
in his "The Elegant Universe".

Others have posted the relevant section from The Elegant Universe and that
is not what he is saying at all.

One time I thought time
can slow down because matter is passing thru a very
dense aether where everything slows down.. but then
in the principle of relativity... each party can see
the other party slowing down.. so it's not just a
regional phenomena. Time is likely part of some energy
continuum where in the case of matter. Quantized
space/time function may be in effect such that matter can
only travel at c much like in Ultraviolet Catastrophe
where there is a limit to the energy produced.

Your word salad of physical concepts may have some meaning to you but to me
and I suggest others reading what you write it is meaningless. That is one
reason physics demands quantitative predictions that can be tested - such
can not be misunderstood. Got any of those?

Bill



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What Einstein is showing is that spacetime is always
travelling at a fixed speed of c.

Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.

Rest snipped

Bill

It's not my reasoning. The idea came from Brian Greene
in his "The Elegant Universe".

Others have posted the relevant section from The Elegant Universe and
that
is not what he is saying at all.

One time I thought time
can slow down because matter is passing thru a very
dense aether where everything slows down.. but then
in the principle of relativity... each party can see
the other party slowing down.. so it's not just a
regional phenomena. Time is likely part of some energy
continuum where in the case of matter. Quantized
space/time function may be in effect such that matter can
only travel at c much like in Ultraviolet Catastrophe
where there is a limit to the energy produced.

Your word salad of physical concepts may have some meaning to you but to
me
and I suggest others reading what you write it is meaningless. That is
one
reason physics demands quantitative predictions that can be tested -
such
can not be misunderstood. Got any of those?

Bill

The next paragraph gives the relevant passage from Brian Greene.
Notice he is simply discussing how time can be seen as a
dimension in a conceptual sense and for the sake of illustration.

Sure - no problemo.

I add the comment of what possible deeper mechanisms may be
involved. Do not assume that there is no mystery of how time can
be affected by motion, etc.

SR does not say time is affected by motion. Proper time always remains the
same. It is exactly the same as rotating a rod. Lay the rod on the x axis
and the x axis indicates its full length. Rotate it and the length as
indicated by the length of the x axis changes - but its length has not.
Exactly what deeper mechanism is at work is changing the length of the x
axis? The answer is none. It is simply geometry at work and a logical
consequence of the fact the length is unchanged by the rotation. The same
for SR - the proper time remains unchanged but you have rotated it via
hyperbolic rotation when you measure if from a frame moving at constant
velocity.

Without knowing the causal mechanisms,

What is the casual mechanism that causes the length indicated by the x axis
to change when a rod is rotated?

it is natural for people to find it a stretch of the imagination to
know how time can slow down in fast moving objects. This is the
source of the endless debates raging in this newsgroup about
relativity since its inception. In case you are convinced there
is no mystery. Pls. explain the causal mechanisms.

I will as soon as you explain to me the casual mechanism that causes lengths
to change when a rod is rotated.

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Bill

Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.

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Bill

It's not my reasoning. The idea came from Brian Greene
in his "The Elegant Universe".

Others have posted the relevant section from The Elegant Universe and
that
is not what he is saying at all.

One time I thought time
can slow down because matter is passing thru a very
dense aether where everything slows down.. but then
in the principle of relativity... each party can see
the other party slowing down.. so it's not just a
regional phenomena. Time is likely part of some energy
continuum where in the case of matter. Quantized
space/time function may be in effect such that matter can
only travel at c much like in Ultraviolet Catastrophe
where there is a limit to the energy produced.

Your word salad of physical concepts may have some meaning to you but to
me
and I suggest others reading what you write it is meaningless. That is
one
reason physics demands quantitative predictions that can be tested -
such
can not be misunderstood. Got any of those?

Bill

The next paragraph gives the relevant passage from Brian Greene.
Notice he is simply discussing how time can be seen as a
dimension in a conceptual sense and for the sake of illustration.

Sure - no problemo.

I add the comment of what possible deeper mechanisms may be
involved. Do not assume that there is no mystery of how time can
be affected by motion, etc.

SR does not say time is affected by motion. Proper time always remains the
same. It is exactly the same as rotating a rod. Lay the rod on the x axis
and the x axis indicates its full length. Rotate it and the length as
indicated by the length of the x axis changes - but its length has not.
Exactly what deeper mechanism is at work is changing the length of the x
axis? The answer is none. It is simply geometry at work and a logical
consequence of the fact the length is unchanged by the rotation. The same
for SR - the proper time remains unchanged but you have rotated it via
hyperbolic rotation when you measure if from a frame moving at constant
velocity.

Without knowing the causal mechanisms,

What is the casual mechanism that causes the length indicated by the x axis
to change when a rod is rotated?

It's perspective. But there is a whole world of difference between
your example and time. If we are both 50 yrs old and I travel near
the speed of light in the cosmos and come back after years (what
I thought years), your age will be like 75 while I'm only 50+.
What is the causal mechanisms of this time relativity. That is
what I'm talking about. You can't give an example like the rod
length thing since time is a lot different. You can slip it under
the rug by saying time is just a coordinate and like the rod. But
it's not explaining the causal mechanisms but just covering it up.

p6

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Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly
appreciated.

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Bill

It's not my reasoning. The idea came from Brian Greene
in his "The Elegant Universe".

Others have posted the relevant section from The Elegant Universe
and
that
is not what he is saying at all.

One time I thought time
can slow down because matter is passing thru a very
dense aether where everything slows down.. but then
in the principle of relativity... each party can see
the other party slowing down.. so it's not just a
regional phenomena. Time is likely part of some energy
continuum where in the case of matter. Quantized
space/time function may be in effect such that matter can
only travel at c much like in Ultraviolet Catastrophe
where there is a limit to the energy produced.

Your word salad of physical concepts may have some meaning to you
but to
me
and I suggest others reading what you write it is meaningless. That
is
one
reason physics demands quantitative predictions that can be tested -
such
can not be misunderstood. Got any of those?

Bill

The next paragraph gives the relevant passage from Brian Greene.
Notice he is simply discussing how time can be seen as a
dimension in a conceptual sense and for the sake of illustration.

Sure - no problemo.

I add the comment of what possible deeper mechanisms may be
involved. Do not assume that there is no mystery of how time can
be affected by motion, etc.

SR does not say time is affected by motion. Proper time always remains
the
same. It is exactly the same as rotating a rod. Lay the rod on the x
axis
and the x axis indicates its full length. Rotate it and the length as
indicated by the length of the x axis changes - but its length has not.
Exactly what deeper mechanism is at work is changing the length of the x
axis? The answer is none. It is simply geometry at work and a logical
consequence of the fact the length is unchanged by the rotation. The
same
for SR - the proper time remains unchanged but you have rotated it via
hyperbolic rotation when you measure if from a frame moving at constant
velocity.

Without knowing the causal mechanisms,

What is the casual mechanism that causes the length indicated by the x
axis
to change when a rod is rotated?

It's perspective.

Wrong - perceptive is an optical illusion that causes parallel lines to
appear to meet at a vanishing point. The changing length of the x axis is
geometry - just like the phenomena of time dilation is geometry.

But there is a whole world of difference between
your example and time. If we are both 50 yrs old and I travel near
the speed of light in the cosmos and come back after years (what
I thought years), your age will be like 75 while I'm only 50+.

The principle of maximal ageing (a geometric principle) at work.

What is the causal mechanisms of this time relativity.

You follow different world lines.

That is what I'm talking about. You can't give an example like the rod
length thing since time is a lot different.

Yes it is different because it involves hyperbolic rotation - but otherwise
it is exactly the same.

You can slip it under
the rug by saying time is just a coordinate and like the rod. But
it's not explaining the causal mechanisms but just covering it up.

You can not hide you do not understand relativity or even elementary stuff
like what perspective is yet claim that you do. You are a victim of
'Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments'
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html

Bill



p6