Peter Lynds and Julian Barbour have been making waves with their
claims that time is an illusion. Of course, it's nothing that
countless others have not said already.

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Nasty Little Truth About Spacetime Physics:
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/.../notorious.htm

The End of Time
Frankly I see no reason for anybody to write long papers and books
just to demonstrate that time is not a physical dimension. Time cannot
change simply because time is a parameter (an interval) used in
physics to describe change. To describe change in time would require a
meta-time, and a meta-meta-time for the meta-time, ad infinitum. Since
time cannot change, it is not a physical dimension. That is all.

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More Nasty Little Truth About Physics:
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Crackpots/nasty.htm

The End of Space
We've already seen that a time dimension is illogical and that
spacetime cannot possibly be a model of reality. But what of space? Is
there such a thing as a space in which we exist and move? Is space a
collection of positions or points? Does matter occupy space? Ever
since Newton legitimized the idea of space most physicists have
believed in some sort of physical space existing separately from
matter. To Newton, space was absolute. Einstein's revolution did not
do away with the idea of an independent physical space but transformed
it into the concept of spacetime.

The Nasty Little Truth
Physical space is given as a collection of positions. The idea is
that, in order for any physical entity or property to exist, it must
exist at a specific position in space. But if a position is a physical
entity that exists, it too, must exist at a specific position. In
other words, if space exists, where is it? As with time, one can posit
a meta-space but this quickly turns into an infinite regress. The
nasty little truth is that there is no such thing as space.

Abstract Space
The concept of a space existing separately from matter has not been
without its detractors. Sir Isaac's nemesis, none other than the great
German mathematician and philosopher Gottfried Leibniz, rejected the
concept of space, absolute or otherwise. Leibniz wrote that "space is
nothing else but an order of the existence of things, observed as
existing together; and therefore the fiction of a material universe,
moving forward in an empty space cannot be admitted." Leibniz believed
that the position of an object is not the property of an extrinsic
space but an intrinsic property of the object. These properties, taken
together, form an abstract order that he called space. I fully agree
with Leibniz on this issue.

Everything Is Absolute
The most immediate consequence of nonspatiality is that all physical
properties in the universe are absolute. The relative is abstract (in
our minds) and is dependent on the absolute. The reason is that, since
there is no space, all properties are intrinsic to (belong to)
individual particles. They are absolute by virtue of being intrinsic.
We've been told that the absolute does not exist and that only the
relative exists. The truth is that the relative is abstract and only
the absolute exists.

Paradoxes That Never Were
All of the nasty problems and paradoxes associated with the existence
of space disappear in one fell swoop. We no longer have to ponder the
notion of an impossibly infinite space or whether or not it has an
edge. Of course if space was finite, the impossible question would be,
what's on the other side? None of these things are of any importance
any longer because space is a mere illusion that arises from the
properties and interactions of particles. It does not exist. Particles
do not move from one location in space to another. Motion is just a
type of change, a change in the intrinsic positional property of a
particle.

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/...eliability.htm

Frankly I see no reason for anybody to write long papers and books
just to demonstrate that time is not a physical dimension. Time cannot
change simply because time is a parameter (an interval) used in
physics to describe change. To describe change in time would require a
meta-time, and a meta-meta-time for the meta-time, ad infinitum. Since
time cannot change, it is not a physical dimension. That is all.

OK... I think we all got the gist of what you are saying some time ago. It
was so very slightly interesting the first time around. Could you let it go
now? Thanks in advance.

In article , "oðin"
wrote:

Frankly I see no reason for anybody to write long papers and books
just to demonstrate that time is not a physical dimension. Time cannot
change simply because time is a parameter (an interval) used in
physics to describe change. To describe change in time would require a
meta-time, and a meta-meta-time for the meta-time, ad infinitum. Since
time cannot change, it is not a physical dimension. That is all.

OK... I think we all got the gist of what you are saying some time ago. It
was so very slightly interesting the first time around. Could you let it go
now? Thanks in advance.

Whos is this "we" you are referring to? Are they the usual ass kissers
on usenet? Or are they the ones whose asses you kiss everyday?
AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/...eliability.htm

Traveler wrote:
In article , "oethin"
wrote:

Frankly I see no reason for anybody to write long papers and books
just to demonstrate that time is not a physical dimension. Time cannot
change simply because time is a parameter (an interval) used in
physics to describe change. To describe change in time would require a
meta-time, and a meta-meta-time for the meta-time, ad infinitum.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...43e77f1 791a5

"Where did the aether come from, you ask?
Answer: it was engineered by intelligent forces beyond your puny mind
to comprehend." - Traveler

Who engineered these intelligent forces? Who engineered the
intelligent forces that engineered these intelligent forces? And so on,

ad infinitum, you self-contradicting pullet. ~:?)


OK... I think we all got the gist of what you are saying some time ago. It
was so very slightly interesting the first time around. Could you let it go
now? Thanks in advance.

Whos is this "we" you are referring to?

[snip]

One assumes he means everybody who reads/posts here. Cite a reply
from *anyone* who agreed with you, *ever*, as an easy refutation. I
know I'd like to read it. ~:?)

Mitch P.

AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha...

What the **** is "AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha... " supposed to mean?

In article .com,
"Mitch Perkins" wrote:

Traveler wrote:
In article , "oethin"
wrote:

Frankly I see no reason for anybody to write long papers and books
just to demonstrate that time is not a physical dimension. Time cannot
change simply because time is a parameter (an interval) used in
physics to describe change. To describe change in time would require a
meta-time, and a meta-meta-time for the meta-time, ad infinitum.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...43e77f1 791a5

"Where did the aether come from, you ask?
Answer: it was engineered by intelligent forces beyond your puny mind
to comprehend." - Traveler

Who engineered these intelligent forces? Who engineered the
intelligent forces that engineered these intelligent forces? And so on,

ad infinitum, you self-contradicting pullet. ~:?)

You stupid ineducable ****head. haha... FYI, only effects must have
causes. A cause does no need a cause unless it, too, is an effect. Get
a ****ing clue.

OK... I think we all got the gist of what you are saying some time ago. It
was so very slightly interesting the first time around. Could you let it go
now? Thanks in advance.

Whos is this "we" you are referring to?

[snip]

One assumes he means everybody who reads/posts here. Cite a reply
from *anyone* who agreed with you, *ever*, as an easy refutation. I
know I'd like to read it. ~:?)

Matej Pavsic (quantum relativity professor at the Josef Stephan
institute) for one. And that was way back when I first started saying
that nothing moves in spacetime on usenet. All the ass kissers at the
time jumped out like ****ing flies out of the swamp to flame me and
accuse me of being a crackpot and try to shut me up. I'm still here.
Now, they agree with me except for the few idiots (like that moron,
Bill Hobba) who have not kept up to date with their masters. They just
hate it when I point out all the ****ing famous crackpots/con artists
in their midst. ahahaha... Unmasking the phucking crackpots, that's
the phun of physics! ahahaha...

But what the **** does it matter to you who agrees with me or not? Am
I a stinking gutless politician like you and those whose asses you
kiss everyday? To those who agree with me I say, good for you. Keep
thinking and keep your understanding to yourself. I don't need to know
and I don't need any encouragement.

And if you don't agree with my views on physics, **** you! You are a
****ing imbecile in my book. AHAHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...

PS. Stop hounding me, QUEER. ahahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/...eliability.htm

In article , "oðin"
wrote:

AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha...

What the **** is "AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha... " supposed to mean?

You stupid ineducable ****. ahahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/...eliability.htm

"oðin" wrote in message
...
AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha...

What the **** is "AHAHA... ahaha.. ahahaha... ahaha... " supposed to mean?

He's an Abba fan

sr

Traveler wrote:

"Where did the aether come from, you ask?
Answer: it was engineered by intelligent forces beyond your puny mind
to comprehend." - Traveler

Who engineered these intelligent forces? Who engineered the
intelligent forces that engineered these intelligent forces? And so on,

ad infinitum, you self-contradicting pullet. ~:?)

You stupid ineducable ****head. haha... FYI, only effects must have
causes. A cause does no need a cause unless it, too, is an effect. Get
a ****ing clue.

Cause: Intelligent forces engineer an aether.
Effect: An aether exists.


OK... I think we all got the gist of what you are saying some time ago. It
was so very slightly interesting the first time around. Could you let it go
now? Thanks in advance.

Whos is this "we" you are referring to?

[snip]

One assumes he means everybody who reads/posts here. Cite a reply
from *anyone* who agreed with you, *ever*, as an easy refutation. I
know I'd like to read it. ~:?)

Matej Pavsic (quantum relativity professor at the Josef Stephan
institute) for one. And that was way back when I first started saying
that nothing moves in spacetime on usenet.

An answer...nice! I'd like to read what he said. Is that possible?
Link?
Myself, I'm just trying to get past some initial seeming
contradictions in your stuff because y'know...I'm interested,
generally.

All the ass kissers at the
time jumped out like ****ing flies out of the swamp to flame me and
accuse me of being a crackpot and try to shut me up. I'm still here.

Your still being here doesn't really speak to your status as
crackpot/not.

Now, they agree with me except for the few idiots (like that moron,
Bill Hobba) who have not kept up to date with their masters.

I thought their masters were the ones whose asses they were kissing?

They just
hate it when I point out all the ****ing famous crackpots/con artists
in their midst. ahahaha... Unmasking the phucking crackpots, that's
the phun of physics! ahahaha...

Really? I'd call that the fun of un-masking crackpots. Physics is the
study of matter and energy and their interactions, IIRC. Are we
speaking your private language again?

But what the **** does it matter to you who agrees with me or not?

I was answering your question "whos is this 'we'...?". Did you
forget that already?

Am
I a stinking gutless politician like you and those whose asses you
kiss everyday?

Politician? Huh? Try to learn the difference between ass-kissing and
simple respect. Or not, (you're more entertaining the way you are).

To those who agree with me I say, good for you.

Ha ha ha ha!

Keep
thinking and keep your understanding to yourself.

Ha ha ha ha HA!

I don't need to know
and I don't need any encouragement.

Liar.

http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/.../notorious.htm

"In sum, I need rebels with axes to grind. Write to me and let me
know what you can do." - Traveler

Goddamn lying coward. ~:?)

And if you don't agree with my views on physics, **** you! You are a
****ing imbecile in my book. AHAHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...

ahahaha...you mean the one you won't be getting around to writing?

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...260edf21c2fc09

"The title of my next book (if I ever get around to writing one) is
'The End of Time and Space'. ...ahahaha..." - Traveler

Let me know when it doesn't come out...ahahahahaha

PS. Stop hounding me, QUEER. ahahaha...

Thanks for letting me know I'm enraging you. It's what I call "the
fun of enraging this bozo on sci.physics". And that language is
universal, my little pullet.

Mitch P.

In article .com,
"Mitch Perkins" wrote:

[crap]

"In sum, I need rebels with axes to grind. Write to me and let me
know what you can do." - Traveler

Goddamn lying coward. ~:?)

"I need rebels" is a manner of speaking, you anal retentive, autistic
sack of ****. I don't really *need* them. Like I said, I don't ****ing
need encouragement, especially from the likes of you. If I needed
encouragement to do anything, I would have stopped what I'm doing a
long time ago. Ass kissers are like ****ing bad weed. They're all over
the ****ing place gumming up the works. But I got many more tricks in
my bag of tricks. haha...

my little pullet

What the **** is a ****ing pullet? Something you pull out of your ass
when you're thinking? ahahaha... HAHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/...eliability.htm