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Old May 29th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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"Nick" wrote in message
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You need a better theory.

All we can measure is matter.


No, you need a theory.


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That's what I am saying.
We need a better theory of matter.
It could be behaving the way it does for another reason.

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Nick wrote:
That's what I am saying.
We need a better theory of matter.
It could be behaving the way it does for another reason.



Maybe you could assist us qi researchers.

We deal with quantum vacuum energy. We can alter
without physical contact radioactive decay rates,
chemical reaction rates, raman spectra of water, crystallization
patterns, biochemical reactions, etc.
by simply manipulating the energy in the quantum
vacuum. See this expe as an example for some idea:

http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/...Qigong_JSE.pdf

This means there is a relationship between some
basic mechanism of matter and energy in the quantum
vacuum that gives them their characteristics, do
you get me?

But I'm also exploring the possibility that we don't
have the right atomic model and all those effect
can occur by directly influencing the particular
matter. Gets?

The problem of qi researchers now is twofold. To
investigate if the present atomic model is perfect. It
is only when we are ensure it is perfect that we
can explore the enhance aspects of it... for example...
combo of strings and vacuum. We still don't know if
strings exist pending a superaccelerator that can
probe to that resolution, therefore we don't know
if qi can affect the basic properties of the strings
themselves or related to the energetic aspect of it.

It is of immense theoretical interests for qi
researchers to know if superstrings really exist...
or M-theory has validity. We are anxiously awaiting
for the Eotvos result by the talented Uncle Al.
If it produces non-null. We have two things to focus.
To learn whether there are other alternative
atomic dynamics that can explain reality or whether
it is the quantum vacuum that is the last frontier
we can examine to explain qi.

What is it. Alternative atomic model or enhanced quantum
vacuum/strings dynamics. That is the question that
give us qi researchers sleepless nights. If you
can assist. We would be indebted to you in whatever
means. We need all the small help we can get especially
when mainstream physicists ignore us in this very
difficult search for the physics of enhanced quantum
vacuum non_local dynamics (or alternative atomic
model) to explain the dynamics of qi.

q

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Old May 29th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
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How are you going to measure the vacuum
without matter?

That's what I'd like to knoww.

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The human body is a perfect scientific device and can demonstrate any
aspect of physics be it thermodynamics, electronics, chemistry, etc.

There is an energy not known to science that we humans can
manipulate. It is known by 100 names in different cultures and
periods. In the U.S. It's known as Orgone, Bioplasmic, Radionics,
etc. Using it we can affect the physical properties of substance
without conventional mechanisms. For example. I can affect
the biochemistry of your body even if you are half a world away.

Now how can one do it. Let's say we are dealing in part of
non-local effect. But it still has to affect the physical substance
in your body, right? There are only two things possible that
can do it. Either the present atomic model is not right and
there are other degrees of freedom not yet discovered... or
we are affecting the quantum vacuum that can alter the
basic properties of matter and energy.

About how one can measure the vacuum (if it is) without matter.
There is a bidrectional feedback mechanism. We can not only
perceive quantum vacuum energy with our hands but also
incorporate it to our visual system via the matter hidden dynamics.
This means when the vacuum energy is affecting the vacuum energy
of our physical body. The corresponding physical cells can be
affected because there is (theoretically) an interaction going on all
the
time between the physical reality and vacuum. So each can feedback
to each other. Gets?

I keep mentioning about quantum vacuum because it seems
Quantum Mechanics in my opinion is 85% correct. However.
What if there is a better atomic model that can explain all
data as well as more degree of freedom. Then the quantum
vacuum is not necessarily. Herein lies the central program
in qi physics. So our approach to it is twofold. To assume QM
is perfect and go on investigating the quantum vacuum hidden
richness via the human bi-directional sensor. At the same
time, we need to explore all alternative atomic model that
may produce those hidden degree of freedom.

Hope you understand by now.

q

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There are infinities predicted in zero point energy.
This is the downfall of the quantum vacuum.
It would be full everywhere and all the time.
It would be a sludge to matter's movement.

So it can't be full. And the infinities are wrong.

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Let's say the quantum vacuum is solid. How can we move in it.
Maybe has to do with vibration or frequency difference? In
John Polasek book The Dual Space. It is explained clearly.
I'll take a look at it again as I just read it in one night
and someone borrow it and forget all the formulas and
equations. Wonder how many of you have read the book.

q

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How dense is it?

Any density at all would effect motion.

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Dear q. vac energy:

"q. vac energy" wrote in message
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The human body is a perfect scientific device and
can demonstrate any aspect of physics be it
thermodynamics, electronics, chemistry, etc.


Radiation chemistry. High energy particle physics. Gene
modification. Cloning. No, I don't think it is the perfect
device for all needs.


There is an energy not known to science that
we humans can manipulate.


Yes, it is manipulated by searching for suckers.

It is known by 100 names in different cultures
and periods. In the U.S. It's known as Orgone,
Bioplasmic, Radionics, etc. Using it we can
affect the physical properties of substance
without conventional mechanisms.


Not all "we"s can.

For example. I can affect
the biochemistry of your body even if you are
half a world away.


Do it without words.

Now how can one do it. Let's say we are
dealing in part of non-local effect.


Or simply "the power of suggestion".

But it still has to affect the physical
substance in your body, right?


No.

There are only two things possible that
can do it.


Or more.

Either the present atomic
model is not right and there are other
degrees of freedom not yet discovered...
or we are affecting the quantum vacuum
that can alter the basic properties of
matter and energy.


Not unless you affect everyone.

About how one can measure the
vacuum (if it is) without matter.
There is a bidrectional feedback
mechanism. We can not only
perceive quantum vacuum energy
with our hands but also incorporate it
to our visual system via the matter
hidden dynamics. This means when
the vacuum energy is affecting the
vacuum energy of our physical body.
The corresponding physical cells
can be affected because there is
(theoretically) an interaction going
on all the time between the
physical reality and vacuum. So
each can feedback to each other.
Gets?


You are as imbedded in this system as any other meat engine.
Your motivations and actions are as bound as atomic decay.

I keep mentioning about quantum
vacuum because it seems Quantum
Mechanics in my opinion is 85%
correct.


I'm sure it will be excited to hear this. You mention quantum
vaccuum because you don't understand it, and it seems to be a
nice catch phrase for you.

However.
What if there is a better atomic model
that can explain all data as well as
more degree of freedom. Then the
quantum vacuum is not necessarily.
Herein lies the central program in qi
physics. So our approach to it is
twofold.


"our"

To assume QM
is perfect and go on investigating the
quantum vacuum hidden richness via
the human bi-directional sensor. At the
same time, we need to explore all
alternative atomic model that may
produce those hidden degree of freedom.

Hope you understand by now.


Yes, unfortunately I do.

David A. Smith


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