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Einsteinhoax:
The Right Angle Lever Paradox "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from mediocre minds." - A. Einstein That would explain your opposition to physics. |
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............. ...That, if a straight line falling on two straight lines makes the interior angles on the same side less than two right angles, the two straight lines, if produced indefinitely, meet on that side on which the angles are less than two right angles!!!!!!!!!!.......... ... -- Euclid, -- Ahmed Ouahi, Architect Best Regards! "Bilge" kirjoitti viestissä ... Einsteinhoax: The Right Angle Lever Paradox "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from mediocre minds." - A. Einstein That would explain your opposition to physics. |
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"Einsteinhoax" wrote in message ... The Right Angle Lever Paradox "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from mediocre minds." - A. Einstein The "Right Angle Lever Paradox" is a classic construct which is taught in most courses in Special Relativity. As with all paradoxes, it reveals that and error has been made in our thinking. It may be interesting then to examine this paradox and the means that is conventionally used for its resolution. [SNIP] The "paradox" you present is indeed an interesting case. Having not previously come across it, it caught my attention and I spent considerable time seeking an answer. First I examined the question of how forces transform under a Lorentz transformation between inertial frames. I did this by examining the behavior of an accelerating body (actually a point unit-mass body under constant acceleration as perceived on board the body), observed both in a rest frame (the frame in which the body is at rest prior to acceleration) and in an inertial "moving" frame, related by the usual Lorentz transformation equations. I computed the usual kinematic parameter set (time, position, velocity and acceleration) for each frame's observer. This allowed me to also compute the momentum-per-unit- mass in each frame as well as the time derivative of that momentum. The latter is, by definition, the force-per-unit-mass that produces that acceleration. The results clearly show that although observers don't agree about position,velocity and acceleration, observers in all inertial frames will agree that the force (the thrust being used aboard the body to accelerate that body) has the same constant value. Conclusion: Force (or at least this type of mechanical force) is an invariant under a Lorentz transformation. [This may indeed be true for total EM force as well, though the electric and magnetic components vary between inertial frames.] But then, why isn't there an unbalanced torque on the bracket in the moving frame, since clearly the bracket leg along the frame velocity is foreshortened from its proper length? The answer is the following, and strangely, it follows from our understanding of relativistic stellar aberration. To the observer in the "moving" frame the angle between the two bracket legs is not a right angle, as it is in the "rest" frame. Think of it this way: If the "at rest" observer were stationed on the bracket hub, sighting his telescope along the transverse leg and saw star 'A' (a coincidence which comprises an event in spacetime), the "moving" observer, sighting on star 'A' (and therefore also along that leg's length), would find his telescope to be directed at a different angle relative to the direction of motion. If PHI is the angle between velocity direction and star in the "rest" frame, and "phi" in the "moving" frame, then tan(phi/2) = sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}*tan(PHI/2). [This equation results from an application of the Lorentz transformation equations.] In the "rest" frame, PHI = 90 deg so that phi = 2* arctan( sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}). The leg rotation is (90 - phi) deg so that the transverse torque lever arm is F*L*cos(90-phi). If you do the computation you'll discover that cos(90-phi) = sqrt[1-(v/c)^2] for all v. This means that in the "moving" frame the transverse bracket leg is "rotated" by an angle such that the leg's projection on the "moving" frame's y-axis is the same length as the other leg's foreshortening. The zero torque in the "rest" frame remains a zero torque in the "moving" frame. Thanks for presenting this question. I learned a lot and it was much fun. Eli Botkin |
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Hello again:
I've been continuing to think about this Right Angle Lever Paradox and now feel that I stated something incorrectly. I believe the conclusion to be correct. The zero torque in the "rest" frame remains a zero torque in the "moving" frame. But I had also said that to the observer in the "moving" frame the angle between the two bracket legs is not a right angle, as it is in the "rest" frame. That's not right. The bracket does remain a right angle bracket in the "moving" frame. Rather it is the force that changes direction by (90-phi) deg relative to the bracket arm, at the point of application. In the "moving" frame the direction of the force remains perpendicular to the line-of-sight to star 'A', as it is in the "rest" frame. The force direction on the y-arm (motion being in the x-direction) no longer makes a right angle with the y-arm. Its produced torque is now equal but opposite to the torque from the contracted x-arm. The total torque is still zero and no bracket rotation is induced. Only the force reactions at the bracket hinge are changed, a non-paradoxical outcome. I'm still grappling with finding the SR principle that dictates all this. [Note that in a sense this would make the force direction (along with its magnitude) invariant in the absolute spacetime manifold.] Not yet being able to prove this force-direction change idea, I admit that it attracts me because of my faith in SR's description of kinematic and dynamic behavior. It provides a non-paradoxical answer to the problem you pose and doesn't violate any known mechanics principles. (At least known to me.) Thanks again for the entertaining moments spent. Eli Botkin "Eli Botkin" wrote in message news:1111709918.4961a481db139edb244d3e479b4c2c3f@t eranews... [SNIP] The "paradox" you present is indeed an interesting case. Having not previously come across it, it caught my attention and I spent considerable time seeking an answer. First I examined the question of how forces transform under a Lorentz transformation between inertial frames. I did this by examining the behavior of an accelerating body (actually a point unit-mass body under constant acceleration as perceived on board the body), observed both in a rest frame (the frame in which the body is at rest prior to acceleration) and in an inertial "moving" frame, related by the usual Lorentz transformation equations. I computed the usual kinematic parameter set (time, position, velocity and acceleration) for each frame's observer. This allowed me to also compute the momentum-per-unit- mass in each frame as well as the time derivative of that momentum. The latter is, by definition, the force-per-unit-mass that produces that acceleration. The results clearly show that although observers don't agree about position,velocity and acceleration, observers in all inertial frames will agree that the force (the thrust being used aboard the body to accelerate that body) has the same constant value. Conclusion: Force (or at least this type of mechanical force) is an invariant under a Lorentz transformation. [This may indeed be true for total EM force as well, though the electric and magnetic components vary between inertial frames.] But then, why isn't there an unbalanced torque on the bracket in the moving frame, since clearly the bracket leg along the frame velocity is foreshortened from its proper length? The answer is the following, and strangely, it follows from our understanding of relativistic stellar aberration. To the observer in the "moving" frame the angle between the two bracket legs is not a right angle, as it is in the "rest" frame. Think of it this way: If the "at rest" observer were stationed on the bracket hub, sighting his telescope along the transverse leg and saw star 'A' (a coincidence which comprises an event in spacetime), the "moving" observer, sighting on star 'A' (and therefore also along that leg's length), would find his telescope to be directed at a different angle relative to the direction of motion. If PHI is the angle between velocity direction and star in the "rest" frame, and "phi" in the "moving" frame, then tan(phi/2) = sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}*tan(PHI/2). [This equation results from an application of the Lorentz transformation equations.] In the "rest" frame, PHI = 90 deg so that phi = 2* arctan( sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}). The leg rotation is (90 - phi) deg so that the transverse torque lever arm is F*L*cos(90-phi). If you do the computation you'll discover that cos(90-phi) = sqrt[1-(v/c)^2] for all v. This means that in the "moving" frame the transverse bracket leg is "rotated" by an angle such that the leg's projection on the "moving" frame's y-axis is the same length as the other leg's foreshortening. The zero torque in the "rest" frame remains a zero torque in the "moving" frame. Thanks for presenting this question. I learned a lot and it was much fun. Eli Botkin |
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Hi once more"
The more I think about this, the more I think I may be barking up the wrong tree. Maybe I was resorting to a lot of wishful thinking. If I've wasted too much of your time, I'm sorry to have done so. I'll certainly keep thinking on this. Eli Botkin "Eli Botkin" wrote in message news:1111784662.2f90d9f70ab6e95c5c1e72062e8f9165@t eranews... Hello again: I've been continuing to think about this Right Angle Lever Paradox and now feel that I stated something incorrectly. I believe the conclusion to be correct. The zero torque in the "rest" frame remains a zero torque in the "moving" frame. But I had also said that to the observer in the "moving" frame the angle between the two bracket legs is not a right angle, as it is in the "rest" frame. That's not right. The bracket does remain a right angle bracket in the "moving" frame. Rather it is the force that changes direction by (90-phi) deg relative to the bracket arm, at the point of application. In the "moving" frame the direction of the force remains perpendicular to the line-of-sight to star 'A', as it is in the "rest" frame. The force direction on the y-arm (motion being in the x-direction) no longer makes a right angle with the y-arm. Its produced torque is now equal but opposite to the torque from the contracted x-arm. The total torque is still zero and no bracket rotation is induced. Only the force reactions at the bracket hinge are changed, a non-paradoxical outcome. I'm still grappling with finding the SR principle that dictates all this. [Note that in a sense this would make the force direction (along with its magnitude) invariant in the absolute spacetime manifold.] Not yet being able to prove this force-direction change idea, I admit that it attracts me because of my faith in SR's description of kinematic and dynamic behavior. It provides a non-paradoxical answer to the problem you pose and doesn't violate any known mechanics principles. (At least known to me.) Thanks again for the entertaining moments spent. Eli Botkin "Eli Botkin" wrote in message news:1111709918.4961a481db139edb244d3e479b4c2c3f@t eranews... [SNIP] The "paradox" you present is indeed an interesting case. Having not previously come across it, it caught my attention and I spent considerable time seeking an answer. First I examined the question of how forces transform under a Lorentz transformation between inertial frames. I did this by examining the behavior of an accelerating body (actually a point unit-mass body under constant acceleration as perceived on board the body), observed both in a rest frame (the frame in which the body is at rest prior to acceleration) and in an inertial "moving" frame, related by the usual Lorentz transformation equations. I computed the usual kinematic parameter set (time, position, velocity and acceleration) for each frame's observer. This allowed me to also compute the momentum-per-unit- mass in each frame as well as the time derivative of that momentum. The latter is, by definition, the force-per-unit-mass that produces that acceleration. The results clearly show that although observers don't agree about position,velocity and acceleration, observers in all inertial frames will agree that the force (the thrust being used aboard the body to accelerate that body) has the same constant value. Conclusion: Force (or at least this type of mechanical force) is an invariant under a Lorentz transformation. [This may indeed be true for total EM force as well, though the electric and magnetic components vary between inertial frames.] But then, why isn't there an unbalanced torque on the bracket in the moving frame, since clearly the bracket leg along the frame velocity is foreshortened from its proper length? The answer is the following, and strangely, it follows from our understanding of relativistic stellar aberration. To the observer in the "moving" frame the angle between the two bracket legs is not a right angle, as it is in the "rest" frame. Think of it this way: If the "at rest" observer were stationed on the bracket hub, sighting his telescope along the transverse leg and saw star 'A' (a coincidence which comprises an event in spacetime), the "moving" observer, sighting on star 'A' (and therefore also along that leg's length), would find his telescope to be directed at a different angle relative to the direction of motion. If PHI is the angle between velocity direction and star in the "rest" frame, and "phi" in the "moving" frame, then tan(phi/2) = sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}*tan(PHI/2). [This equation results from an application of the Lorentz transformation equations.] In the "rest" frame, PHI = 90 deg so that phi = 2* arctan( sqrt{[1-(v/c)]/[1+(v/c)]}). The leg rotation is (90 - phi) deg so that the transverse torque lever arm is F*L*cos(90-phi). If you do the computation you'll discover that cos(90-phi) = sqrt[1-(v/c)^2] for all v. This means that in the "moving" frame the transverse bracket leg is "rotated" by an angle such that the leg's projection on the "moving" frame's y-axis is the same length as the other leg's foreshortening. The zero torque in the "rest" frame remains a zero torque in the "moving" frame. Thanks for presenting this question. I learned a lot and it was much fun. Eli Botkin |
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