If it were possible to create a particle with a negative mass, would it
produce an anti-gravitational effect? If so, would Newton's 3rd law
have a conflict?

Is there any ideas floating around about how/if negative mass is
possible?

Dear Tesseract:

"Tesseract" wrote in message
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If it were possible to create a particle with a negative mass, would it
produce an anti-gravitational effect? If so, would Newton's 3rd law
have a conflict?

Negative mass would require energy to slow it down, and deliver energy by
speeding it up.

Is there any ideas floating around about how/if negative mass is
possible?

Not that I am aware of, but there are some considerations of imaginary
mass: tachyons.

David A. Smith

SCIENTISTS HAVE KNOWN SINCE 1928 THAT TWO KINDS OF MATTER WERE CREATED
IN THE BIG BANG. ONE 'MATTER', WHICH IS THE KIND, WE SEE HERE ON
EARTH, MAKING UP ROCKS, TREES, ANIMALS. THE OTHER IS ITS
INVERSE-IDENTICAL TO MATTER IN ALL RESPECTS EXCEPT THAT THE CHARGES OF
ITS PARTICLES ARE REVERSED. THE IDENTICAL-MATTER IS KNOWN AS
ANTIMATTER! SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN STUDYING ANTIMATTER BY PRODUCING,
STORING, AND COLLIDING SMALL QUANTITIES AT FERMILAB AT CHICAGO AND CERN
(CONSEIL EUROPÉEN POUR LA RECHERCHE NUCLÉAIRE) NEAR GENEVA,
SWITZERLAND FOR SEVERAL DECADES. ANTIMATTER IS MIRROR ENERGY OF MATTER
AND CAN BE A SOLID, LIQUID, GAS, OR PLASMA.

THE HISTORY OF ANTIMATTER BEGINS IN 1928 WITH A YOUNG BRITISH PHYSICIST
NAMED PAUL DIRAC ADRIEN MAURICE (1902-1984). IN 1928, PAUL DIRAC WROTE
DOWN AN EQUATION, WHICH COMBINED QUANTUM THEORY AND SPECIAL RELATIVITY,
TO DESCRIBE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE ELECTRON. DIRAC'S EQUATION WON HIM A
NOBEL PRIZE IN 1933, BUT ALSO POSED ANOTHER PROBLEM: JUST AS THE
EQUATION X2=4 CAN HAVE TWO POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS (X=2 OR X=-2), SO DIRAC'S
EQUATION COULD HAVE TWO SOLUTIONS, ONE FOR AN ELECTRON WITH POSITIVE
ENERGY, AND ONE FOR AN ELECTRON WITH NEGATIVE ENERGY. BUT IN CLASSICAL
PHYSICS THE ENERGY OF A PARTICLE MUST ALWAYS BE A POSITIVE NUMBER!
DIRAC INTERPRETED THIS TO MEAN THAT FOR EVERY PARTICLE THAT EXISTS
THERE IS A CORRESPONDING ANTIPARTICLE, EXACTLY MATCHING THE PARTICLE
BUT WITH OPPOSITE CHARGE. FOR THE ELECTRON, FOR INSTANCE, THERE SHOULD
BE AN "ANTIELECTRON" IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY BUT WITH A POSITIVE
ELECTRIC CHARGE. IN HIS NOBEL LECTURE, DIRAC SPECULATED ON THE
EXISTENCE OF A COMPLETELY NEW UNIVERSE MADE OUT OF ANTIMATTER!
ANTIMATTER IS YING TO MATTER'S YANG.IT BALANCES THE PHYSICAL
EQUATION.
IN 1932 CARL ANDERSON, A YOUNG PROFESSOR AT THE CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF
TECHNOLOGY, WAS STUDYING SHOWERS OF COSMIC PARTICLES IN A CLOUD CHAMBER
AND SAW A TRACK LEFT BY "SOMETHING POSITIVELY CHARGED, AND WITH THE
SAME MASS AS AN ELECTRON". AFTER NEARLY ONE YEAR OF EFFORT AND
OBSERVATION, HE DECIDED THE TRACKS WERE ACTUALLY ANTIELECTRONS, EACH
PRODUCED ALONGSIDE AN ELECTRON FROM THE IMPACT OF COSMIC RAYS IN THE
CLOUD CHAMBER. HE CALLED THE ANTIELECTRON A "POSITRON", FOR ITS
POSITIVE CHARGE. CONFIRMED SOON AFTER BY OCCHIALINI AND BLACKETT.
ANTIMATTER IS THE MOST POWERFUL ENERGY SOURCE KNOWN TO MAN. IT RELEASES
ENERGY WITH 100 PERCENT EFFICIENCY (NUCLEAR FISSION IS 1.5 PERCENT
EFFICIENT). ANTIMATTER CREATES NO POLLUTION OR RADIATION, AND A DROPLET
COULD POWER NEW YORK CITY FOR A FULL DAY. A SINGLE GRAM OF ANTIMATTER
CONTAINS THE ENERGY OF A 20-KILOTON NUCLEAR BOMB-THE SIZE OF THE BOMB
DROPPED ON HIROSHIMA.
UNTIL RECENTLY ANTIMATTER HAS BEEN CREATED ONLY IN VERY SMALL AMOUNTS
(A FEW ATOMS AT A TIME). BUT CERN HAS NOW BROKEN GROUND ON ITS NEW AD
(ANTIPROTON DECELERATOR) -AN ADVANCED ANTIMATTER PRODUCTION FACILITY
THAT PROMISES TO CREATE ANTIMATTER IN MUCH LARGER QUANTITIES.ITS
CHEMICAL SIGNATURE IS THAT OF PURE HYDROGEN. ENERGY OF 1 GRAM OF
ANTIMATTER IS 9 X 10 13 JOULES.
THE PERIODIC TABLE OF MATTER-ANTIMATTER ELEMENTS CONTAINS 109 MATTER
PLUS 109 ANTIMATTER ELEMENTS. SYMMETRY ALSO EXISTS AMONG THE ELEMENTS.
THE ANTIMATTER ELEMENTS ARE NAMED AFTER THEIR RESPECTIVE MATTER
ELEMENTS; AND THEIR NUCLEAR, PHYSICAL, AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES ARE
IDENTIFIED. THE SUPERSCRIPT A BEFORE THE ELEMENT OR SYMBOL INDICATES
THAT ELEMENT IS ANTIMATTER. FOR EXAMPLE, HYDROGEN & OXYGEN ARE
AHYDROGEN & AOXYGEN RESPECTIVELY.
RIGHT NOW, ANTIMATTER IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE SUBSTANCE ON EARTH, ABOUT
$62.5 TRILLION A GRAM ($1.75 QUADRILLION AN OUNCE). THE PRODUCTION IS,
AT BEST, 50 PERCENT EFFICIENT BECAUSE HALF OF WHAT'S CREATED ARE
REGULAR PROTONS, AND THE EQUIPMENT NOW USED WAS NOT DESIGNED TO FUEL
ROCKETS.
WHEN AN ORDINARY PARTICLE COLLIDES WITH ITS ANTIPARTICLE, THE TWO
PARTICLES DESTROY EACH OTHER, AND ENERGY OR OTHER PARTICLES ARE
PRODUCED. THIS COLLISION IS CALLED ANNIHILATION. MANY SCIENTISTS
THEORIZE THAT SUCH COLLISIONS MAY EXPLAIN THE APPARENT ABSENCE OF
NATURALLY OCCURRING ANTIMATTER IN THE UNIVERSE. ACCORDING TO BIG BANG
THEORY, THE MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE TODAY IS THE TINY REMNANT THAT
SURVIVED AFTER ALL THE ANTIMATTER ANNIHILATED WITH MOST OF THE MATTER.
ANTIHYDROGEN IS THE SIMPLEST ANTIMATTER ATOM; IT CONSISTS OF A POSITRON
ORBITING AROUND AN ANTIPROTON. IT IS THE ANTIMATTER COUNTERPART OF THE
HYDROGEN, THE SIMPLEST MATTER ATOM, IN WHICH AN ELECTRON ORBITS AROUND
A PROTON.
AN ELECTRON IS AN ORDINARY PARTICLE THAT HAS A NEGATIVE ELECTRIC
CHARGE. ITS ANTIPARTICLE, A POSITRON, EXACTLY RESEMBLES IT EXCEPT THAT
A POSITRON CARRIES A POSITIVE ELECTRIC CHARGE. ANTIPARTICLES ALSO
COMBINE JUST AS ORDINARY PARTICLES DO. FOR EXAMPLE, AN ANTINEUTRON MAY
COMBINE WITH AN ANTIPROTON AND SO FORM AN ANTIDEUTERON, THE NUCLEUS OF
AN ANTIDEUTERIUM ATOM.

THEY CAN BE USED IN FUTURE SUBSTITUTING COAL, PETROLEUM, AND NUCLEAR
ENERGY TOO. THUS ANTIMATTER IS INDEED A GREATEST DISCOVERY OF 19TH
CENTURY.IT MIGHT ALSO BE THE FUEL THAT POWERS SPACESHIPS TO THE PLANETS
AND PERHAPS THE STARS.

(MARS IN 6 WEEKS. AND BACK IN A TOTAL OF FOUR MONTHS. THAT'S THE
PREDICTION OF A DESIGN TEAM WORKING ON ANTIMATTER ROCKET CONCEPTS AT
PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY. BUT FIRST, YOU HAVE TO GET THE STUFF -
AND STORE IT).

"Tesseract"
If it were possible to create a particle with a negative mass, would it
produce an anti-gravitational effect?

Acceleration due to gravity is independent of mass (Galilei).
Even particles with zero mass have acceleration = g (Einstein)
Why should negative mass be different?
You can't use gravity to ascertain whether a mass is positive or negative.

If so, would Newton's 3rd law
have a conflict?

no

Aage

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Dear Tesseract:

"Tesseract" wrote in message
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If it were possible to create a particle with a negative mass, would it
produce an anti-gravitational effect? If so, would Newton's 3rd law
have a conflict?


Well since you ask for Newton's physics and the answer is simple.

Say a mass M effected by another mass m at a distance r apart

F=GMm/r^2 ----(1) Gravity

Now the object M will accelerate by
F=MA---------- (2)

As (2) = (1)

MA = GMm/r^2

or A =Gm/r^2

So if m = negative mass, it will repel and produce anti-gravitational
effect?

Now use relativity and the answer is unclear.

Negative mass would require energy to slow it down, and deliver energy by
speeding it up.

In the above example, it is a problem as potential energy is being
converted to Kinetic.

Say 0 =- GMm/R+1/2mV^2

= 2GM/R=V^2
= M=(R/2G)*V^2

As V^2 is positive, R & G are positive = M must be positive.

The only work around I can see is to make

E =- GMm/R+1/2mV^2 where E0
= E = m(-GM/R+1/2*V^2)

= m = E/(-GM/R+1/2*V^2)

So for -ve mass we require either
E0 which is possible in Quantum mechanics (not Newton) or

GM/R1/2*V^2
M R/(2G*V^2)
This is plausible.



Is there any ideas floating around about how/if negative mass is
possible?

Not that I am aware of, but there are some considerations of imaginary
mass: tachyons.

Tachyons give an imaginary value for mass not a negative.

I have actually seen some stuff on -ve mass


David A. Smith




--
Life is always changing, that is what makes it interesting.

Observations of Bernard - No 72

Dear vignesh:

"vignesh" wrote in message
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SCIENTISTS HAVE KNOWN SINCE 1928 THAT TWO KINDS OF
MATTER WERE CREATED IN THE BIG BANG. ONE 'MATTER',
WHICH IS THE KIND, WE SEE HERE ON EARTH, MAKING UP
ROCKS, TREES, ANIMALS. THE OTHER IS ITS
INVERSE-IDENTICAL TO MATTER IN ALL RESPECTS EXCEPT
THAT THE CHARGES OF ITS PARTICLES ARE REVERSED.

The proton and electron have opposite charge.

THE IDENTICAL-MATTER IS KNOWN AS ANTIMATTER!
SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN STUDYING ANTIMATTER BY
PRODUCING, STORING, AND COLLIDING SMALL QUANTITIES
AT FERMILAB AT CHICAGO AND CERN (CONSEIL EUROPÉEN
POUR LA RECHERCHE NUCLÉAIRE) NEAR GENEVA,
SWITZERLAND FOR SEVERAL DECADES. ANTIMATTER IS
MIRROR ENERGY OF MATTER

Antimatter has positive energy. It is NOT "mirror energy".

AND CAN BE A SOLID, LIQUID, GAS, OR PLASMA.

You don't know this. It has only been produced in quantities sufficient to
form gas. A container even for that is difficult.

....
THEY CAN BE USED IN FUTURE SUBSTITUTING COAL,
PETROLEUM, AND NUCLEAR ENERGY TOO. THUS
ANTIMATTER IS INDEED A GREATEST DISCOVERY OF 19TH
CENTURY.IT MIGHT ALSO BE THE FUEL THAT POWERS
SPACESHIPS TO THE PLANETS AND PERHAPS THE STARS.

Not likely, since much of the energy used to form the antimatter is waste
heat, and some percentage of that total consumed power came from the
consumption of fossil fuels.

It is considered rude to post in all caps. It is considered SHOUTING!

David A. Smith

sorry from next time i will remember to off my cap lock. thanks for
showing the fault i will try to bring change in that and will continue
to reseach in that topic.

Vignesh Iyer

vignesh:
SCIENTISTS HAVE KNOWN SINCE 1928 THAT TWO KINDS OF MATTER WERE CREATED
IN THE BIG BANG.

Correct. There is ``ordinary matter'' that makes up most things and
there is ``fecal matter'' of which your post was comprised.

"Tesseract" wrote in message
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If it were possible to create a particle with a negative mass, would it
produce an anti-gravitational effect? If so, would Newton's 3rd law
have a conflict?

Is there any ideas floating around about how/if negative mass is
possible?


Bah! in a universe of extremely large mass why do you people **** with
particles? Don't you understand that mass is the key? But still mankind
keeps thinking leptonic, I don't know why this is but i do know that it is
the sole reason why mankind has not made a leap in technology. if you think
leptonic
the results will be leptonic.

Ring

Gravity is the gain in mass pushing the atom down the energy slope.
The atom pushes it's self down the energy slope.
the atom layed across an energy gradiant
has it ppart orbiting and have more mass when on one side of the atom
than when on the lower side of the atom.
More of the atoms mass is falling to the center of the atom from one
direction than the other.

atoms change mass at C.
F is identical to the gain in mass not the entire mass.
The gain in mass is identical preportion of the wieght of the mass.
V is allways the same because F is allways perportinal to the wieght
pushed down the nergy slope.