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"Peter Kinane" wrote in message
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| A brief, approximate, sketch of what I'm inclined to formulate is
| happening, and looking out for anything useful for TECCS:
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| http://www.twow.net/ObjText/OtkCaLbStrB.htm
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| The MMX found the speed of light to be the same in all directions,
| thereby failing to detect a slowing force - ether - in any direction.
| Lorentz thought the ether force could be there but hidden, "if the
| motion of such an apparatus in absolute space caused its length [- the
| apparatus -] to shrink in the direction of motion as a function of its
| velocity by a factor [of, let's say, s]". So, the moving body shrinks
| - one of the lengths from the light source to the mirrors and back
| shrink - and that thereby the travelling light can make up for ether
| resistance.
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| "Lorentz also described the length contraction as a mathematical
| transformation between the coordinates of a reference frame based on
| the moving material object and the coordinates of a reference frame at
| absolute rest.", giving, with Newton's equation x' = x - vt, x' = (x
| - vt)/s.
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| If TECCS would require sending and receiving high velocity signals,
| and with velocity incurring contraction, then the idea of the
| transformation may not be of much interest to me, but, the correct
| form, of the resulting equation s would be important to the system.
|
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| Further to the occurring apparatus shrinkage, there "is a slowing down
| of clocks (and physical processes generally) at the same rate as the
| length contractions, or the so-called "time dilation", []". However,
| "t = t' , because Newtonian physics assumes that time is the same
| everywhere". "But [given, "no more than an auxiliary mathematical
| quantity", time on the moving frame varies with location in that
| frame,] by using transformation equations to describe the distortions
| in material objects, Lorentz found that he had to introduce a special
| equation for transforming time: t = t' - vx/c[ sq]."
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| There may not be anything of interest in that for me.
|
| "Lorentz discovered this ["time dilation"] distortion by tinkering
| with various ways of calculating the coordinates used on inertial
| reference frames in relative motion". There is "also the implication
| that clocks on moving frames are slowed down at the same rate as
| lengths are contracted", apparently, = t' = (t - vx/c[ sq])/s.
|
| Better note that in the Relativity system there is a slowing down of
| clocks.
|
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| "Poincaré [urged in 1904, that] the principle of relativity requires
| that "the laws of physical phenomena should be the same for an
| observer at rest or for an observer carried along in uniform movement
| of translation, so that we do not and cannot have any means of
| determining whether we actually undergo a motion of this kind"". So,
| the POR was (becoming) an attempt to satisfy a desire that value is
| something out there about which we can identify with each other, by
| transforming diversity into uniformity.
|
| Probably nothing there.
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| In contrast, Newton had openly recognised "that his laws of motion
| depend, not on the absolute velocities of material objects, but only
| on their relative velocities".
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| So, laws of motion, like value, effect through relationship of forces,
| and so are multi-faceted. Bring out TECCS, and bear in mind the s
| equation when determing, from any selected- -logged value, positions
| of objects for the system.
| http://www.effectuationism.com/forum...tml?1071620499
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| "Thus, Poincaré saw Lorentz's discovery of distortions in fast-moving
| material objects as a way of extending Newton's principle of
| relativity to cover electromagnetic phenomena." (I wonder if it is
| less a matter of "extending" it than of further complicating it, which
| in turn would be corrected through convolution).
|
| Poincaré "[] referred to Lorentz theory as "Lorentz's principle of
| relativity" even after Einstein had published his special theory and
| Lorentz himself was attributing the principle of relativity to
| Einstein".
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| "What Lorentz's electron theory of matter (and Poincaré's own
| refinements of it) explained physically were the Lorentz distortions
| in material objects with absolute velocity. [Another 'fascinating'
| concept: A theory explains physically, especially as it implies
| another form of explanation]. That explained the negative outcome of
| the Michelson-Morley experiment: the contraction of lengths in the
| direction of motion and the slowing down of clocks as a function of
| motion through absolute space does make it physically impossible to
| detect absolute motion on a moving object by measuring the velocity of
| light relative to it.": But it does seem to detect the ether - and
| absolute motion - mathematically- -theoretically, and also physically,
| if, as already given, a theory explains physically.
|
| Probably nothing of use there.
|
| "And that is one way in which inertial reference frames are
| empirically equivalent, because it holds of measurements made using
| any material object in uniform motion as one's reference frame,
| regardless of its motion through absolute space.": So, it seems to
| say, any material object in uniform motion FOR is empirically
| equivalent to all others. It seems to transform stuff into


| [] a single or equivelant FOR.


|
| Been there, done that.
|
|
| "[] Einstein raised the principle of relativity to the status of a
| postulate, which was not to be explained at all, []".
|
| I hope I am providing an explanation.
|
| "What Einstein deduced from these premises are the "Lorentz
| transformation equations," that is, equations for transforming the
| coordinates of any given inertial reference frame into those of any
| other.".
|
| "Inertial reference frames [are all empirically equivalent and] are
| based on material objects that are not being accelerated, and what
| makes the material object a reference frame is that it is used as the
| basis for a coordinate system by which the locations and times of
| events throughout the universe can be measured. (For this purpose, it
| is useful to think of an inertial reference frame as a grid of rigid
| bars extending wherever needed in space with synchronized clocks
| located everywhere.) ".
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|
| So, s may be useful to TECCS.
|

If you ever bounce that light off the moon, as well as telling me if
the distance travelled can be measured without using light, you might
be able to give me a few tips for an experiment which sends two
rockets from the same place and leaving simultaneously, which would
travel at quite different speeds, around the Earth and at the same
altitude, so as to test this Lorentz - Fitzgerald shrinkage theory -
I'm very particular about what goes into TECCS (compared to other
scientists and their systems). (Made any progress with TECCS?)

Experimenting to detect a shrinkage factor in velocity may be
unnecessary to TECCS; if necessary use light as a means of locating
objects - measuring distance - and then through trial and error have
rockets journeys- -speeds accord with such light measurements-
-distances.

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com/

"Peter Kinane" wrote in message om...


If you ever bounce that light off the moon, as well as telling me if
the distance travelled can be measured without using light, you might
be able to give me a few tips for an experiment which sends two
rockets from the same place and leaving simultaneously, which would
travel at quite different speeds, around the Earth and at the same
altitude, so as to test this Lorentz - Fitzgerald shrinkage theory -
I'm very particular about what goes into TECCS (compared to other
scientists and their systems). (Made any progress with TECCS?)

My two rocket idea has shortcomings.

Re, elsewhere in the thread:
om...
"I would, however, like to express my sympathy to 18 year olds in
college - on the bilge they have to like and which turns them into
bilge and bile.":
It is probably obvious by what this was triggered. In painting
everyone with the same brush, it is, of course, too simplistic.


Experimenting to detect a shrinkage factor in velocity may be
unnecessary to TECCS; if necessary use light as a means of locating
objects - measuring distance - and then through trial and error have
rockets journeys- -speeds accord with such light measurements-
-distances.

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com/