"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General Relativity
have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

"It is certain because it is impossible."
Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
De Carne Christi, V.

This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down many
of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum lives,
we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
allow us to believe in the impossible.

And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of life
which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.

"Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving force
which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.

And again:
"Religion...is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx (1818-1883)
Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.

Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
magic to explain certain physical phenomena.

As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that he
is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his belief
in magic.

To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a rational
explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know what
you are talking about.'

Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms of
probabilities.
As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.

Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
relativistic phenomena.
For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek

But then again:
"Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth -
often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to
refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).

Enjoy, Len.
.................................................. ........

Len Gaasenbeek wrote:

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General Relativity
have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

That is easy. They have been experimentally verified again and again
under varying conditions. Every time one locates himself to within ten
feet using GPS it is another verification of GTR.

There is exactly one standard of goodness for a physics theory: are its
predictions supported by experiment.

Bob Kolker

"Len Gaasenbeek" wrote in message
...

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General
Relativity
have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

"It is certain because it is impossible."
Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
De Carne Christi, V.

This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down
many
of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum
lives,
we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
allow us to believe in the impossible.

And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of life
which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.

"Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving force
which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.

And again:
"Religion...is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx (1818-1883)
Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.

Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
magic to explain certain physical phenomena.

As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that
he
is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his belief
in magic.

To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a rational
explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know what
you are talking about.'

Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms
of
probabilities.
As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.

Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
relativistic phenomena.
For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek

But then again:
"Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living
truth -
often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it
to
refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).

Still posting the same old rubbish. Just one observation tells the truth -
not one single experiment exists that falsifies relativity. Statements such
as the 'Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know of,
which has abandoned the scientific method in favor of the belief in magic to
explain certain physical phenomena' not backed up by the one thing that is
of relevance - namely experimental validcdation - is all cranks can offer.
But of course those that have never understood the scientific method are
always the first to misrepresent it.

Bill


Enjoy, Len.
.................................................. .......

Bill Hobba wrote:
Still posting the same old rubbish. Just one observation tells the truth -
not one single experiment exists that falsifies relativity.

And literally millions of experiments corroberate it.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Bob Kolker

Len Gaasenbeek:

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General Relativity
have survived as long as they have.

Perhaps you should study them so you can get over your amazement.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:34:22 -0400, "Len Gaasenbeek"
wrote:


"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General Relativity
have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

"It is certain because it is impossible."
Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
De Carne Christi, V.

This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down many
of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum lives,
we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
allow us to believe in the impossible.

And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of life
which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.

"Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving force
which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.

And again:
"Religion...is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx (1818-1883)
Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.

Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
magic to explain certain physical phenomena.

As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that he
is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his belief
in magic.

To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a rational
explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know what
you are talking about.'

Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms of
probabilities.
As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.

Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
relativistic phenomena.
For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek

But then again:
"Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth -
often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to
refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).

Enjoy, Len.
................................................. ........

Thankyou Len. I always enjoy your comtributions.

Henri Wilson.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

See proof that light speed is source dependent.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe

To Robert,

I am glad to hear that someone enjoys my postings.

It is interesting to note that Relativistic Physics is the only scientific
discipline I know of that uses "thought experiments" to make its point.
Einstein was the one who started this trend.
As far as I am concerned, a thought experiment doesn't prove anything, it is
just a flight of a man's fancy.

For example, if we look at the Twin Paradox, instead of concluding that time
dilation is ridiculous in that no twin can age slower than the other no
matter what, it is used to illustrate how time dilation works!

Once one accepts this kind of 'scienterific' reasoning as proof, all is
lost.

Enjoy, Len.
.................................................. ....
"Robert" H@.. wrote in message
...
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:34:22 -0400, "Len Gaasenbeek"
wrote:


"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General
Relativity
have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

"It is certain because it is impossible."
Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
De Carne Christi, V.

This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down
many
of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum
lives,
we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
allow us to believe in the impossible.

And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of
life
which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.

"Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving
force
which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.

And again:
"Religion...is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx (1818-1883)
Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.

Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
magic to explain certain physical phenomena.

As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that
he
is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his
belief
in magic.

To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a
rational
explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know
what
you are talking about.'

Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms
of
probabilities.
As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.

Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
relativistic phenomena.
For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek

But then again:
"Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living
truth -
often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it
to
refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).

Enjoy, Len.
................................................. ........

Thankyou Len. I always enjoy your comtributions.

Henri Wilson.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

See proof that light speed is source dependent.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe

Dear Bilge:

"Bilge" wrote in message
...
Len Gaasenbeek:

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General
Relativity
have survived as long as they have.

Perhaps you should study them so you can get over your amazement.

I think what he was saying by the quote, is that *he* was lying. He is not
amazed.

David A. Smith

I agree with most of what you said, Len, with one exception.
Einstein do not start the lies: Ptolemy did.

The most recent accusations of forgery made against Ptolemy came from Newton
in [12]. He begins this book by stating clearly his views:-

This is the story of a scientific crime. ... I mean a crime committed by a
scientist against fellow scientists and scholars, a betrayal of the ethics
and integrity of his profession that has forever deprived mankind of
fundamental information about an important area of astronomy and history.

Towards the end Newton, having claimed to prove every observation claimed by
Ptolemy in the Almagest was fabricated, writes [12]:-

[Ptolemy] developed certain astronomical theories and discovered that they
were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, he
deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could
claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories. In every
scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice is called fraud, and it
is a crime against science and scholarship.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Ptolemy.html

Be prepared for 1400 years of Relativity. Only 1300 to go.
(Still not interested in your papers though. The velocity of light is source
dependent)
Androcles


"Len Gaasenbeek" wrote in message
...
|
| "The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
| Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
| Mein Kampf.
|
| It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General
Relativity
| have survived as long as they have. I think that Hitler may have hit on
| something in the above quotation.
| Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.
|
| "It is certain because it is impossible."
| Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
| De Carne Christi, V.
|
| This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down
many
| of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum
lives,
| we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
| allow us to believe in the impossible.
|
| And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of life
| which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
| fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.
|
| "Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving force
| which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
| Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
| British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.
|
| And again:
| "Religion...is the opium of the people."
| Karl Marx (1818-1883)
| Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.
|
| Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
| science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
| of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
| magic to explain certain physical phenomena.
|
| As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that
he
| is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his belief
| in magic.
|
| To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
| mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a rational
| explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know what
| you are talking about.'
|
| Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
| Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms
of
| probabilities.
| As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
| His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.
|
| Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
| relativistic phenomena.
| For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
| http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek
|
| But then again:
| "Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living
truth -
| often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it
to
| refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
| Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
| Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).
|
| Enjoy, Len.
| .................................................. .......
|
|
|
|

"Len Gaasenbeek" wrote in message
...

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler (1886-1945)
Mein Kampf.

It continues to amaze me how the Theories of Special and General
Relativity
have survived as long as they have.

My suggrested explanation: Most people care a lot about the predictions
which are quite right, and not much about the interpretations.

I think that Hitler may have hit on
something in the above quotation.
Of course Hitler isn't the first to advocate this notion.

"It is certain because it is impossible."
Tertullian (c. 160-225 AD), Carthaginian father of the church.
De Carne Christi, V.

Yeah...

This is why confidence tricksters are so successful, because deep down
many
of us want to believe the improbable. Since most of us live humdrum
lives,
we secretly wish that something magical would happen to us, which would
allow us to believe in the impossible.

The attractiveness of magic is certainly part of the answer.

And so we allow ourselves to be converted or born again into a way of life
which gives us hope, where we had given up hope. Once converted, we will
fight to hang on to our myth because without it, life becomes unbearable.

That depends on one's personality. But it's true for many.

"Nothing in life is more wonderful than faith - the one great moving force
which we can neither weigh in the balance nor test in the crucible."
Sir William Osler (1849-1919), Canadian physician.
British Medical Journal, 1:1470, 1910.

And again:
"Religion...is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx (1818-1883)
Criticism of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, Introduction.

Now all of the above has its uses and merits but has nothing to do with
science. Relativistic Physics is the only "scientific" discipline I know
of, which has abandoned the scientific method in favour of the belief in
magic to explain certain physical phenomena.

Here we touch on a confusion of issues. But it's not you who started it. The
magical explanations of the PoR and the PoE are nothing but the "topping" on
the physics. Strictly speaking those explanations are themselves not part of
modern physics, as they can't be tested with experiments - and philosophy is
officially not part of modern physics.

As a result no true scientist can ever hope to convince a relativist that
he
is wrong, because logical scientific arguments will never shake his belief
in magic.

He may argue that his magic seems to be in agreement with the facts.

To paraphrase Niels Bohr and his followers: 'The very nature of quantum
mechanics is illogical, consequently one should not try to find a rational
explanation. To try and do so just shows people, that you don't know what
you are talking about.'

Interestingly Einstein, who started it all, did not agree with Bohr that
Relativistic Particle Physics (Quantum Theory) can only be known in terms
of
probabilities.
As he put it: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
His disagreement with Bohr remains unresolved until this day.

Yet there is no need to resort to magic in order to explain the various
relativistic phenomena.
For a perfectly logical explanation, see my "Selected Papers" at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek

But then again:
"Men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living
truth -
often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it
to
refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
Hypatia (c. 370-415) Egyptian Neoplatonist Philosopher.
Little Journeys to the Homes of Great Teachers (Elbert Hubbard).

Enjoy, Len.

I already told you in the past that a lower frequency is what is meant with
a "lower clock rate".
And Hypatia should explain a little more before he convinces me.

Harald